The Coming War of Gog and Magog, an Islamic Invasion

soo we all heard what bush said about gog and magog that they are devils demons in real they are musilms lets hear the story from the bible

also how can some one throw peoples live for another country and for somthing as dumb as this

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Ezekiel 38 through 39 tells of a future invasion of Israel by a vast coalition of nations that surround it.  As we read the headlines in the newspapers of today, and witness the conflict in the Middle East, it's not hard to imagine that this invasion prophesied over 2600 years ago, could be fulfilled in our lifetime.  Ezekiel 36-37 predicts a gathering of the Jews to the nation of Israel, which will be followed by this massive invasion.  For 19 centuries the Jewish people were scattered throughout the world, and until May 14, 1948 there was no nation of Israel to invade.  With the nation of Israel now a reality, the stage seems set for the war that will usher in the tribulation and the rise of the Antichrist; a war that will end with the destruction of Israel's enemies by God Himself, and lead to the signing of a peace treaty with the Antichrist.

As you read Ezekiel 38 and 39, it isn't just the creation of the nation of Israel that makes this prophecy seem likely to be fulfilled in the near future.  The nations that God tells us will form this coalition against Israel seem more likely now than perhaps ever before to form just such an alliance.  To understand the prophecies of Ezekiel about this future invasion, it's important to understand who the players will be.  

There are many theories as to who will join in this future invasion of Israel.  Before going through a list of the individual nations, I'll list some of the more common theories you'll hear when studying the prophecies from Ezekiel 38. 

Ezekiel 38:1-6  The word of the Lord came to me; Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him and say: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says:  I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal.  I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army - your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords.  Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops - the many nations with you.'

1.  Hashemite Kingdom Theory:  The Islamic Nations will come against Israel either by an Iraqi-led, Jordanian led, or Turkish led coalition.  The enemy from the north refers to the areas of Syria, Turkey, and Iraq.  These Islamic nations make up the lands occupied by Magog, Gomer, Togarmah, Meshech and Tubal.

2.  Caucus Theory:  Gog and Magog are the Arab nations in an alliance with the Muslim republics of the former Soviet Union.  This theory leaves out most of Russia, and includes only the southern part.

3.  All Europe theory:  Gog and Magog are the sons of Japeth thus the originators of the European races.  Gog and Magog therefore indicates all of Europe.  This is not a widely held theory and I could find little support for it.

4.  Russian Theory:  The Hebrew word 'rosh' in verse 3 is identified with Russia, 'Tubal' with Tiblisi or Tobolsk and 'Meshech' with Moscow, therefore Gog and Magog refers to Russia.  This is one of the most commonly held views and is based on a different interpretation of the Hebrew word Rosh (used as a noun rather than adjective), similarities in the pronunciation of words, and the Greek translation of Rosh referring to a tribe of people found in what is now Russia.

5.  Indo-European Theory:  Gog and Magog include the nations descending from Japheth: Russia, the Caucasus(Turkey), Iraq, and the Islamic republics of Central Asia.  The coalition is an alliance of Arab nations, Muslim republics, Georgia, southern Russia and the Black sea area.

These are some of the theories you will find if you do any research into the prophecies of Ezekiel 38.  You may also find interpretations that are a combination of these, and in fact, I tend to find more evidence for a version of the Indo-European and Caucacus Theory. 

Before looking at the participants of this invasion in more detail, it's important to understand that the war described in Ezekiel 38 is not the same as the war that will come at the end of the tribulation when Jesus returns to defeat the Antichrist and establish his millennial kingdom.  How do we know this?  The war at the end of the tribulation, known as Armageddon, is a world war.  Revelation tells us that this battle will involve all nations.  The war described in Ezekiel includes specific nations that invade Israel.  Also, Armageddon is at the climax of the tribulation, while the war described in Ezekiel comes well before then.

Ezekiel 38:1-7 gives 10 names as participants in the invasion of Israel that will follow the regathering of the Jews to their homeland.  First mentioned, is the land of Magog.  The most common identity for Magog is in Central Asia.  The Jewish historian Josephus said, "Magog founded the Magogians, called Scythians by the Greeks.  Scythians were a nomadic tribe who inhabited the ancient territory from Central Asia across the southern part of ancient Russia."  Today this area is inhabited by the former Soviet Republics of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and possibly northern parts of Afghanistan.  All of these nations that make up the land of Magog have one thing in common - Islam.  Militant Islam has been on the rise in these countries since the fall of the Soviet Union, when Islam no longer had to be practiced secretly.  Radical Islamic groups such as the Islamic Renaissance Party, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, and Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islam are working to reunite central Asian nations and ultimately the entire Muslim world.  It is from this part of the world that a leader will arise to bring together a great coalition of nations to invade Israel.

Probably the most debated verse is Ezekiel 38:3.  There are two main views on the identity of the Nations God is referring to in this verse.  I'll list both here, and let the reader decide which sounds most reasonable.

Rosh as Russia

Some versions of the Bible translate the Hebrew word 'rosh' in verse 3 as a noun referring to a place in Russia.  The least credible support for this view is that Rosh sounds like the modern-day name Russia and Meshech sounds like Moscow.  In this translation they treat rosh as a proper name.  The Greek translation translates Rosh as the proper name Ros.  Because the ancient Sarmations were known as the Ras, Rashu, and Rus and inhabited Rasapu which is now Southern Russia, some feel this verse points to Russia as the prince of Rosh.  Another support sited for this view is that verse 6 and 15 say the invasion will come from remote parts of the north, and Russia is more remote.

Rosh as chief

Other versions of the Bible translate 'rosh' as an adjective.  The argument here is that in the Massoretic text the words 'chief prince' carry the accents Tiphha and Zaqeph-gadol.  The Tiphha appears under the resh of the Hebrew word 'rosh'; the Zaqeph-gadol appears on top of the sin of the Hebrew word 'nish'.  The Tiphha to the right, underneath the initial consonant of the world 'rosh', or chief, is prepositive and does not mark the tone syllable.  The world 'nish' or prince has the accent Zaqeph-gadol which is disjunctive and indicates a pause.  So, verse three would read:

"Behold, I am against thee, o Gog, the prince, {pause} chief of Meshech and Tubal"

Rather than:

"Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal."

Here 'rosh' is translated head or chief as it is 423 other times in the Old Testament.

In short, if you believe 'rosh' should be translated as a proper noun you may find the interpretation that Russia will be a part of this coalition more reasonable.  If you believe 'rosh' should be an adjective here, you need only concern yourself with who Meshech and Tubal are.  I tend to have a problem with the "it sounds like Russia" theory, and find the translation of rosh as an adjective more believable, but to each his own.

Meshech and Tubal in verses 2 and 6, were the names of the 6th and 5th sons of Japheth, the son of Noah (Gen. 10:2).  Ezekiel 27:13 also mentions Meshech and Tubal as trading partners with Tyre (Modern Lebanon).  It's likely that Meshech and Tubal refer to the ancient Moshi/Mushki and Tubalu/Tibareni who dwelled in the area around, primarily south of, the Black and Caspian Sea in Ezekiel's day.  Today these nations would be in the modern country of Turkey, parts of Southern Russia and Northern Iran.  All areas with a Muslim majority.

Verse 6 adds Gomer and Beth-Togarmah to the coalition.  "Gomer" was the first son of Japheth.  The Gomerites were the ancient Cimmerians, expelled in 700 B.C. from the southern steppes of Russia into what is today Turkey.  "Togarmah" is the 3rd son of Gomer and beth at the beginning of the name is the Hebrew word for 'house' or 'place of'.  In Ezekiel's time there was a city in Cappodocia (Modern Turkey) known as Tegarma, Tagarma, Til-garimmu, and Takarama. 

The possibility that four of the names mentioned in Ezekiel are now in Turkey makes a pretty strong argument for Turkey being a part of the invasion of Israel.  Current circumstances in that country also lend this view some credibility.  Since the break-up of the Soviet Union, Turkey has been gaining inroads into Central Asia (Magog).  It is also linked to Central Asia both ethnically and linguistically, and has a growing number of political parties that support opposition to Israel, establishment of a Turkish Islamic Republic, and the worldwide rule of Islam.

Verse 5 brings three more names into the mix.  God tells us that "Persia, Cush and Put will be with them". 

Persia is a pretty easy one.  In 539 B.C. the Persians conquered the city of Babylon.  You only need look at a map of the ancient Persian Empire to see that it was centered in the nation known today as Iran.  In fact Iran was called Persia until 1935 when it was changed to Iran and then to the Islamic Republic of Iran in 1979 during the Iranian Revolution.  It's no secret that Iran is an archenemy of Israel and the West, and a supporter of the Palestinians.  They are actively working to get other Arab countries to change camps in their cooperation with the U.S. and Israel.

The ancient kingdom of Cush in Ezekiels time was the land just south of Egypt on the Nile River.  Today this land is occupied by Sudan.  Sudan is home to the National Islamic Front, is ruled by an Islamic military dictatorship, a strong supporter of Iraq, home to Osama bin Landen from 1991-1996, and harbors countless Islamic terrorist groups.  Sudan would easily fit into the coalition as it is already close allies with Iran, trading military supplies for docking rights on the Red Sea shipping routes.

Ancient Put was the land just west of Egypt, or what is today Libya.  Libya is another sponsor of terrorism, and openly refuses to recognize Israel's right to even exist.  When the coalition against Israel is formed, Libya won't have to be asked twice to join.

Verse 6 adds "and many people with you."  The nations listed specifically are all somewhat distant from Israel.  By adding "and many people with you", God may have been indicating that those nations and peoples in closer proximity to Israel will join the Jihad.  Other nations that might join the alliance are Iraq, Syria, Jordon, and Egypt.  All of them are Islamic nations, and all of them would not hesitate to support the destruction of Israel were the opportunity to join such a vast coalition presented to them.

Below is a list of the nations that are listed in Ezekiel as Israel's last-days enemies:

ANCIENT NAME
 MODERN NATION
 EXPLANATION
 
Rosh
 Russia or Chief
 Ancient Sarmatians known as Rashu, Rasapu, Ros, and Rus.

OR

Translated as the adjective Chief.
 
Magog
 Central Asia
 Ancient Scythians - Islamic southern republics of the former Soviet Union with a population of 60 million Muslims.  This territory could include modern Afghanistan.
 
Meshech
 Turkey
 Ancient Muschki and Musku in Cilicia and Cappadocia.
 
Tubal
 Turkey (also southern Russia and Iran)
 Ancient Tubalu in Cappadocia.
 
Persia
 Iran
 Name changed from Persia to Iran in 1935.
 
Ethiopia (Cush)
 Sudan
 Ancient Cush, south of Egypt.
 
Put
 Libya
 Ancient Put, west of Egypt.
 
Gomer
 Turkey
 Ancient Cimmerians - from the seventh century to first century B.C. in central/western Anatolia.
 
Beth-togarmah
 Turkey
 Til-garimmu - between ancient Carchemish and Haran (southern Turkey).
 
Many peoples with you
 Other Islamic nations
 Possibly Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and gulf countrys
 
The reasons God gives us for the enemies' invasion of Israel are further proof that the attack will be an Islamic invasion.

The first reason God gives for the invasion in Ezekiel 38 is a desire by the coalition to cover the Jewish land and wipe them off the face of the earth.  Urged on by a hatred of the Jewish people they will seek to destroy them and the nation of Israel.  This is the stated goal today of almost every Islamic nation in the Middle East.  The only nations not currently in a declared state of war with Israel are Egypt, Turkey, and Jordan, yet they would certainly be glad to see Israel eliminated if presented with a willing leader and an opportunity to rid the Middle East of Islam's archenemy.

God tells us that they also come to "seize plunder…and to capture great spoil".  Many verses in the Quran advocated plundering for the benefit of Islam and there are several instances of this war tactic throughout the history of Muhammad's life.  In fact, it is a common theme in his teachings.

This invasion of Israel and attack on the Jewish people will indeed be a Jihad, but it will also be the final Jihad.

Ezekiel 38:13  "Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish with all its villages will say to you, 'Have you come to capture spoil?  Have you assembled your company to seize plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to capture great spoil?'"

As this invasion develops, a few countries will make a lame protest.  This isn't hard to believe when you look at the indifference most nations display as Israel is repeatedly attacked by terrorists.

The specific nations who question Gog's actions are "Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish".  Sheba and Dedan are not hard to identify.  These were ancient names for what is known today as Saudi Arabia.

Tarshish is most commonly agreed to be ancient Tartessus or the area of present day Spain in Western Europe.  In Ezekiels day, Tarshish was in the farthest west regions of the known world.  By referring to Tarshish and all her merchants, Ezekiel could have been indicating that Western Europe will join with Saudi Arabia in denouncing the invasion.  Interestingly, Saudi Arabia is the only Arab nation to consistently side with the West against radical Islamic elements around the world.  The royals of Saudi Arabia mostly side with the West out of an interest in self preservation, and at times oppose us behind the scenes, but they would most probably put on a show of opposition to radical Islam in order to maintain the support of western governments.

A similar alliance has been seen once before during the Gulf War of the early 1990's.  The U.S., Western Europe, and Saudi Arabia were allied against Iraq, while Russia, Iran, Sudan, Libya, and most other Middle East nations either aligned with Iraq, or against the U.S. either by directly opposing it, or by remaining neutral. 

The good news is that God wins.  God will come against the invaders Himself and destroy them.  Verses 19-20 say that there will be an earthquake so great that people all over the world will tremble.  In the ensuing chaos, nations will begin to turn on each other.  The confusion will lead to the largest case of death by friendly fire ever seen.

Verse 22 of Ezekiel tells us that there will be plagues, torrents of rain, hailstones, and burning sulfur.  Just as God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, he will destroy these invading forces.  Once again, God will make it known to all the nations that He is the Lord.  He will give the nations proof that He is the Holy One in Israel.

This war against Israel will pave the way for the Antichrist's military rule over the world and his demand that the world worship him as God.  With Islam defeated and the Christian Church raptured, opposition to worshipping a man as God will be greatly reduced.  Those who are left would have no army with which to mount much of a protest.

So, how should Christians respond to this prophecy?  In Ezekiel 39:6,7, and 28 God says that this end-times battle will happen that "they will know that I am the Lord".  This message that God's purpose is to cause Israel and the other nations to know He is Lord is repeated over 60 times in Ezekiel.  By learning about prophecy and teaching it to others, people will be able to see the glory, majesty, and sovereignty of God in the fulfillment of His divine word.  By knowing our Bible and teaching it to others, they will be able to see that there is a divine creator, and a plan for them.  Through Jesus Christ and the salvation he offers us freely, there is victory and an eternity more glorious than they can imagine.

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Is there KY jelly for the brain so it doesn't get friction burns while performing this sort of mental masturbation?

by MedfordTim on 10/11/2009 11:37:08 AM EST

might possible stand for Russia, when it could stand for, let's say, Rush.

And that could either be the radio guy or the band. Or maybe the play in American football, which means the Steelers are the antichrist, but we knew that already.

by LudwigVan on 10/11/2009 11:59:11 AM EST

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Being raised in the Bible Belt and watching too much of the 700 Club as a kid, this is all too familiar for me. People who likely got their evangelical creds from a two-week "bible course" claiming to know history and geography--and this guy, who has a show on TBN no less, fails in so many ways.

First of all, Indo-European is a family of languages that includes Russian, Persian, Kurdish, Armenian and the languages of north and central India including Hindi-Urdu, Bengali and Punjabi, and Greek (see below), but not Turkish, Arabic (a Semitic language like Hebrew and Aramaic), Georgian or Chechen, so I'm not sure what he even means by "Indo-European". This would include India, which he fails to mention, and he denies Europe (presumably the EU) will fulfill the role of Gog and Magog.

I'd trust the Wikipedia article long before I'd endorse this guy's spiritial pipe dream, anyhow. Also, my theory that the "northern kingdom" to invade Israel was Greece (guess that proves the "Indo-European theory"), then reconquered by Rome after being liberated by Judas Maccabaeus, is probably just as good. Oh wait, that actually happened, and while part of the Roman Empire and under Syrian governor Herod, the Messiah was born in Bethlehem...

God, these televangelists hucksters are such creeps.

by LudwigVan on 10/11/2009 11:52:31 AM EST

Herod the Great was Rome's client king in Judea; I don't know where I got Syria.

by LudwigVan on 10/11/2009 11:54:53 AM EST

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If you wanted to give any credence to this kind of "prophecy," the invasion by Greece and Rome would qualify much more as a fulfillment, but televangelist types just HAVE to find some way to link Revelation to the Old Testament, despite the fact that it is a book that their beloved Martin Luther wanted REMOVED from the Bible.  morons.

by thain1982 on 10/11/2009 11:58:07 AM EST

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He also wanted the Epistle of James removed because it contradicted his sola fide theory (the epistle having declared "faith without works is dead"), but that's a different issue altogther.

Revelation can also refer to an event that already happened--the conversion of a pagan Roman Empire to Christianity under Constantine, and collapse of said empire. There are plenty of theories for John's apocalypse that may or may not involve Ezekiel 38 (and Daniel).

by LudwigVan on 10/11/2009 12:07:36 PM EST

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at least as someone raised as a Catholic during the 1960's, we were told to ignore Revelations by our priets. When I asked why I was told "No one knows what is truly meant by that book and smarter people than you'll ever be have driven themselves to insanity trying to figure it out. When god means for us to understand, he'll reveal it. Until then live a good Christan life."


Unfortunetly, I didn't listen and spent several years reading up on this stuff. Luckily, at some point, my brain started working and I woke up.

Apocalyptic writings were quite popular at that time, we find them in the Dead Sea scrolls and at least five others in the Nag Hammadi Library. They all read like an abused 10 year old yelling "My big brother is gonna kick your butt!" to the bully who just took his lunch money. Adolescent revenge fantasies.

Here's a link to the Nag Hammadi texts.

by CptRich on 10/11/2009 12:37:02 PM EST

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Get this holy roller Jesus loves you shit off our forum! Tim, this isn't "mental masturbation", its "mental illness"...

by bobo1 on 10/11/2009 11:54:50 AM EST

Bobo - don't you think it's good to know what the other side believes?  That's why it was posted here, and it's just these kind of mental gymnastics that allow people who supposedly follow a religion of "peace" to cheerfully talk about wiping out Muslims without a twinge of irony.

Know your enemy, I say.

by thain1982 on 10/11/2009 11:59:56 AM EST

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The "Big 3" western religions are all rooted in the insanity of thinking that a supreme deity sent words down to be transcribed by various peoples at different times... All of them are my enemy, and I have studied them well - let's see how their stories match up against my .45 and 12 gauge...

by bobo1 on 10/11/2009 12:46:43 PM EST

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Right up to the crazy "up against my .45 and 12 gauge..." shtick.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 10/11/2009 03:13:05 PM EST

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Studying religion and dealing with religious nutbags will eventually drive you to a point where you cross the line between verbal and physical anger management - Jehovahs Witnesses don't come around my house - they know better... :)

by bobo1 on 10/11/2009 07:43:00 PM EST

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get your  right wing nuthatchery off OUR forum!

fucking gun toting  tea bagger

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 10/11/2009 03:24:57 PM EST

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I can appreciate the sentiment of "know your enemy," but that is NOT what is being accomplished here. In fact, nothing but a reiteration of well known nonsense is presented.

Who, exactly, is the "enemy" you are getting to know? Certain whacko fundamentalist chtistians? All christians? Whacko muslims? All muslims? Baptists? The pope? There is no clear target here - it is a shotgun aimed at the sky.

If anyone who believes stupid shit is  "the enemy," then we are ALL the enemy because all of us believe in SOMETHING (Whether it's religion or the Rams will win the Super Bowl) stupid.


by MedfordTim on 10/11/2009 01:07:26 PM EST

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intolerant much, bobo?
Yes very much.

We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.

by aidbo on 10/11/2009 02:36:57 PM EST

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you didn't just take the crazy pill, you O.D.ed on the whole bottle!

by CptRich on 10/11/2009 12:10:35 PM EST

A lot of these comments seem to be coming from people who haven't read the first part of the article.  Or maybe the first part was unclear.  Possibly because it was a run-on sentence.  Anyway, here's the part that I think people missed:

how can some one throw peoples live for another country and for somthing as dumb as this

This guy/girl isn't endorsing this crap, he/she's just showing how crazy these people are.

by birdboy1 on 10/11/2009 12:30:49 PM EST

It is only in the header that indicates this, the final line of the text body is still in La La Land. He/she needs to be a little more clear on their stance, it's easy to misinterpret it.

by CptRich on 10/11/2009 12:46:58 PM EST

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...because I pretty much figured "lets hear the story from the bible " was the focal point. Not to mention that the first paragraph differs greatly in style, form, and legibility from the screed which follows it, leading one to believe it is a cut'n'paste job - the TYT version of the Saturday morning knock on the door.

We truly don't need anything this long to show how crazy they are. Anything following "The bible says..." can pretty much be taken for granted as infused with lunacy.

by MedfordTim on 10/11/2009 12:49:01 PM EST

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 birdboy1 i think alot of people missed that xD

thanks for reading and understanding :)

by khalifa on 10/11/2009 12:45:07 PM EST

Bush spent a trillion bucks on biblical prophecy in Iraq.

This blog is obviously some right wing spam. Our friend posts above is verbatum from the references below most notably Free Republic. I stoped after the first five hits.

The War of Gog and Magog

The Coming War of Gog and Magog

The Coming War of Gog and Magog, an Islamic Invasion?

Whio is MAGOG ? - The Prophecy of Magog - tribe.n

GOG AND MAGOG

 

 

 

by MRFred on 10/11/2009 01:13:09 PM EST

I missed the stuff above the line...wasnt sure what it was. Sorry

by MRFred on 10/11/2009 01:36:25 PM EST

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waaay too long didn't read and with all the religious references i think i was better off not reading it.

http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=zOfjkl-3SNE
http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=4_G9awnDCmg

watch those and have a laugh.

by kingbane on 10/11/2009 01:42:52 PM EST

most posts  with a few exceptions dont warrant my investing that much attention to read it.

I watched and did laugh

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 10/11/2009 03:29:16 PM EST

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Thanks Kingbane, those are great!

by CptRich on 10/11/2009 05:05:13 PM EST

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I was having a good laugh....

by SlashingTongue on 10/11/2009 04:09:53 PM EST

You will never lose betting against the "coming end times" ever actually coming to pass.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 10/12/2009 12:51:39 AM EST

Maybe someone should try to make bets with "End-Timers". Call it a test of faith.

I'd love to bet that simpering fat slob Hagee.

by CptRich on 10/12/2009 11:51:41 AM EST

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