11/11/2009 02:30:48 AM EST

TYT Poll: Should the government ban a woman from having extremely loud sex?

posted by AnaKasparian

During today's third hour, Cenk and Ana talked about a couple in the UK that had extremely loud sex. Their love-making was so loud that it disrupted their neighbors. The government stepped in and banned the woman from being vocal while knocking boots. Ana thinks the government crossed the line by trying to dictate the way the couple has sex. She thinks the landlord should have asked the couple to keep it down. Cenk disagrees with Ana and thinks the government did the right thing. What are your thoughts?

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Should the government ban a woman from having extremely loud and disruptive sex?
Yes 66%
No 25%
I'm torn on this one 7%

Votes: 117
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TYT Poll: Should the government ban a woman from having extremely loud sex? | 35 comments (35 topical, 0 hidden)
Communities... (none / 4)
...were invented to protect people.  While the loud woman might be only a nuisance, she's still causing problems for her neighbors.  The excuse that she can't control her behavior just doesn't hold water.  Is she or is she not a responsible adult?

The landlord might be able to mitigage the situation by providing better insulation in the walls, but people have to sleep.  Screams from neighbors, no matter the cause, deserve the attention from the community that they get.

by EveningStarNM on 11/11/2009 03:09:12 AM EST

Government intervention? (none / 4)
She should be banned, though I hate the way this issue is framed. Ana got it all wrong, its not about government intervention and telling her how to live her life, that sounds like some lame conservative argument, the fact is is that she is a noise problem. When you play loud music or loud electric guitar late at night everyone understands that thats definitely an issue with noise control, not "OMFG Government is coming to take my freedoms!", and whats up with Ana constantly repeating government controlling the way she has sex? Thats such a strawman, no one gives a fuck about how she does it in bed except for maybe cenk, its just the simple fact that you're making too much noise for the majority of people who go to sleep at that time, asking this woman to tone it down is as "freedom limiting" as it is to ask your neighbor not to bash his drumset at 2 in the morning. Or the simplest way is just to soundproof and insulate the bedroom walls so they can scream all night and it won't disturb anyone.

by coolerdude111 on 11/11/2009 03:30:55 AM EST

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Perfection (none / 0)
Your analysis is perfect. Thank you.

by siloria on 11/11/2009 11:48:52 AM EST

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Spot on (none / 2)
We need to re-do the poll.  Ana, you totally Fox Newsed this one.

Sorry.

by wyotransplnt on 11/11/2009 02:40:12 PM EST

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wrong (none / 1)

The poll question is dead on. Theres nothing wrong with it.

by Wifflum on 11/11/2009 06:44:32 PM EST

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When does it matter why you make loud noises? (none / 0)
It does seem that this poll should simply be "should the government fine people for being loud?"  Because does it really matter why they are loud?  It may, if the neighbor has a loud mentally disabled child, or the neighbor is consistently in enormous pain. But if a judge is weighing between being loud during sex or having your sleep disturbed for two hours every night, i think the judge would land on the side of the sleep-deprived.  

by borduin on 11/15/2009 09:39:37 PM EST

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government sex intervention (none / 0)
 This is a no brainer. The govt can't control the sex lives of their people, however, If I play music at 47dbs late at night for a long period of time for many nights or any nights, thats going to piss a lot of people off.  The issue isn't that they are having sex, its how much noise are they making.  It doesn't matter if its sex music, or chanting or construction, if its loud, disruptive, prolonged and for many nights or every night then the govt can say you are disturbing the peace/breaking the noise ordinance and then take action like they would for me if I was playing my music too loud, too late and everynight.

by kennyfloyd on 11/11/2009 07:24:45 AM EST

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So Ana (none / 1)
prefers doggie to missionary. Nice. Sorry, totally inappropriate.
too loud Sex=too loud party=Police

by tomjane7 on 11/11/2009 03:30:36 AM EST

loud sex huh? (none / 1)

first of all, i find it hard to belive that this couple cant tone it down.

But think about it this way, what if it wasn't sex. What if it was a couple that argued loudly and disrupted its neighbors. But hey, they LIKE to argue, they do it every night, and for a few hours at a time. Would you feel the same way Ana?

would it be ok for the government to intervene and tell the couple to scream at each other more quietly? 

by earlf on 11/11/2009 03:59:38 AM EST

Reply: (none / 0)
I'm going to have to agree with Cenk on this, although the couple has every right to have sex however they want the fact that they are disturbing their neighbors every night and not allowing them to have proper sleep is a problem, and should be dealt with by the proper authorities. If it was only a couple of nights a week it could slide, but every night for several hours? a little bit excessive.

by RaptorRex on 11/11/2009 04:06:59 AM EST

Compromise, compromise, compromise! (none / 0)

Though I think asking a judge to rule in this case is silly (most disagreements between neighbors can be settled in other ways like mediation, etc.) I have to say that I think both parties need to come to a compromise. Some people are picky about noise at night and they can rarely be satisfied with close, noisy neighbors, but I find it hard to believe the couple couldn't tone it down some. Being vocal myself, I have found ways to not bother neighbors at night. The same goes for more "vocal" roommates. We all believe in the power of good earplugs. Not to mention, my apartment is right next to the freeway so I have to deal with 24 hour noises, but I don't complain. I just put in some earplugs or headphones. I was also wondering how the neighbor heard this noise? Did they share a wall, like in an apt or a twin home or duplex?

To wrap this up, I think both parties are guilty of some disrespect but government has NO place in this conversation.

Much love, 

Becca

by Rebecca Daley on 11/11/2009 06:15:38 AM EST

No ban (none / 1)

Those people aren't "banned from having loud sex". They were banned from making noise in the night, while their neighbors are trying to sleep. Ana understood it like the government was telling them "how to have sex". That's just not true.

They can still have loud sex where nobody is disturbed by it. In the car, in the forest, in the dunes... Or they can have loud sex at daytime, maybe saturday afternoon. Or they can have more "silent" sex at night. It's just that they can't go ballistic, at home, at night, just like they can't play the trumpet or mow the lawn at night. The big bad government doesn't allow that either. Does that mean they're telling them which kind of instrument to play, or what their garden should look like? No, they're only protecting the bounds of reason.

by OldGerman on 11/11/2009 07:00:46 AM EST

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Don't care (none / 0)
I don't care if she yodels while she prepares her meals and I don't care if she uses a jackhammer as part of her beauty routine.  I think it is an issue of noise and not the activity attached to it.  Put it this way~  I have birds who can be very loud.  I live in a single dwelling home because I know that my birds would drive potential neighbors nuts.  I am sure these people knew that this woman was (apparently) exceptionally loud during sex before they decided to move into an apartment.  Unfortunately some folks lack common sense and because of that nuisance laws must be put into place. 

by Oushi on 11/11/2009 07:16:45 AM EST

Ana made it out to be the complainant's problem (none / 1)
But really, it's the Cartwrights responsibility to deal with it. If they need to make so much noise when they have sex, why don't THEY move to a cottage in the country, where the only people they keep up at night are squirrels and rabbits.

Common courtesy towards your neighbours is integral to living in an urban environment. Having sex while screaming at the top of your lungs is a nuisance for everybody else in the vicinity.

by Lemmie on 11/11/2009 08:43:31 AM EST

I'm torn (none / 0)

Depends what my situation is at the time.

If I was 19 and living on my own---the sounds might assist me in a few wank sessions.

But, if it was 35 and the noise was keeping my 10-year-old daughter awake at night---we might have a problemo.

by kurd55 on 11/11/2009 09:29:31 AM EST

Do the research ! (none / 0)
It's annoying to me when TYT don't do their research in to cases like this in the UK. I read this story in the paper this morning and the judge said that he didn't believe she couldn't help but make the noise, that is, at least in part ... why the court reached the decision that it did.

by shenron64 on 11/11/2009 12:07:01 PM EST

solution (none / 0)
I would say this. Instead of them having incredibly noisy sex at night and banning them for it, just ask them to do it during the day. that way if it gets too noisy its not such a big deal.

by pandawa on 11/11/2009 12:39:52 PM EST

Not a Sex issue (none / 0)
This isn't an issue about their sex life, if they want to have sexy doggy or missionary or reverse cowgirl or if they like spanking it to Bill O'Rielly that is their business and nobody would care, the issue is that they are keeping neighbors up with the extremely loud noise that they are making every night. Anna would you be upset if the government told them to keep it down if they were partying every night? Or playing video games extremely loudly at 3AM? I doubt it. This isn't a sex issue its a violation of the local laws regarding noise after a certain hour. 

by Mustang424 on 11/11/2009 02:12:29 PM EST

Ana we love you but you are wrong on this one (none / 0)
This is a textbook example of a public disturbance 

by cdguy24 on 11/11/2009 04:36:28 PM EST

bounds of reason (none / 0)
The thing I would like to know is wether the neighbor spoke to them about it befor taking them to court. If the neighbor went over there, and said "Hey guys I live next door and you guys are REALLY loud like every night. I am having a hard time getting some sleep and your disturbing me." But they continued making the noise, than i am 100% on cenk's side. although I do apreciate ana's point about the government not sticking its nose into people's personal live's. If they cant solve the dispute personaly then you have to solve it publicly, that is a function of government.

by wessiderider187 on 11/11/2009 04:54:55 PM EST

do some research guys!! (none / 0)

What you need to understand is that 47 decibels is not loud! Its twice as loud as a refrigerator's hum. 

 I think the neighbor just needs to get laid. Get laid well. Go ahead give her my number, I'll take one for the team..

 

Check out this reference:

http://www.ata.org/about-ti nnitus/how-loud-too-loud

by Krish on 11/11/2009 05:21:11 PM EST

47 decibles is alot at 3am (none / 0)
47 decibels is about as loud as a washing maching in the next room, its also about 1/2 as loud as normal conversation which is quite louder than a loud whisper. At 3 am and constantly going at it, I would even get annoyed at it after the initial intrigue. Also keep in mind that at night there is hardly ANY ambient noise to drown out everything, noise carries much further and much more clearly.

http://trace.wisc.edu/docs/ 2004-About-dB/

A cat is also about 45ish decibles, would you be ok with listening to this at 3 am?!

by Smokin on 11/15/2009 02:18:17 PM EST

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umm.. (none / 0)
using a computer to depict 47db is silly, your volume control will be set differently than mine. You can always get a fan or sound proof your house. If the city runs a bus/train in a distance can you ban these? What if you work the night shift, can you stop people from making noise? I can understand if you had bylaws that force people to get sound-proofing. But the question is asking if you can ban someone from having sex. Thats just wrong!

by Krish on 11/17/2009 09:20:35 PM EST

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47 decibels (none / 0)
Some women can make a bit of noise having sex - but they don't make 47 decibels for 3 hours on a daily basis!  She is not doing this naturally.  Get real, she is an attention-seeker!

by strixx on 11/11/2009 05:28:11 PM EST

HELL YEAH (none / 0)

ban them.

having first hand experience with this subject, I found it very inappropriate and inconsiderate. I have to admit it was very funny the first time, the second time, but after couple of days, it was just too much for the rest of residents to hear one of our neighbors moaning all night (it wasn't just moaning, there was a lot of slapping as well) :D

by libero on 11/11/2009 06:41:03 PM EST

No way (none / 0)

Ban someone from having loud is insane. No way should government step in and tell her not to have sex now maybe a fine if it's really that loud. They sound just have them soundproof there room an easy fix.

 

by Eternal on 11/11/2009 07:04:15 PM EST

Ana is wrong on this one. (none / 0)
I think she is taking this one over the top because it is from the UK and other stories such as ones involving CCTV have made her paranoid about UK government intervention (perhaps rightly so, but in this case not so much). Really this is just a case of public disturbance, whatever is causing the noise is really irrelevant, they aren't trying to control their sex life they're trying to control the noise.

Also I'd like to note that Cenk got it completely wrong on the noise level. Decibels are not a linear measurement every increase of 3dB corresponds to a doubling in noise level. So as someone pointed out earlier 40dB is a refrigerator hum so it is a little over 4 times louder than this.

by 0f course on 11/11/2009 08:28:21 PM EST

Decibels (none / 0)

I'm glad somebody else brought up that point about decibel levels. 

by publius on 11/11/2009 09:05:51 PM EST

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+1 Cenk (none / 0)
Ana is soo hot but soo wrong. :( This is a perfect example of a public disturbance. Cenk was dead on.

by randombrowndude on 11/12/2009 02:19:43 AM EST

Article on the subject (none / 0)
I read this on Reason a while ago, I'm surprised it took you guys this long to do this story:

http://reason.com/archives/ 2009/07/31/disturbing-the-p eace

The article's over the top, but it makes an interesting point - The ruling against Cartwright isn't a fine for excessive noise or anything like that, it's an injunction against her having loud sex anywhere in England. Technically she could fuck in the woods or a sound proof room and it would still be illegal. That's pretty weird. I'm sure they have noise ordinances in the UK, and they should fine her for that, just like if she had been yelling or playing loud music, like others have said. It's the ban on the behavior itself that seems wrong to me.

by shiembob on 11/12/2009 02:39:54 AM EST

Disturbing the piece (none / 0)

If the ruling was against "loud sex" rather than loud noise then yes, it really is over the line.   How ridiculous if the judge framed it that way.

by bfaul on 11/12/2009 12:32:43 PM EST

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Some more information (none / 0)
I don't know about that source it's incredibly over the top, half of the article is taken up talking about 1984.

here is some information on the case,

- She was first issued an ASBO (Anti-Social Behavior Order) which stated:

"shouting, screaming or vocalisation at such a level as to be a statutory nuisance"

I guess this could be applied to the whole of England, as the article states, but she would have to be causing a nuisance so I think sound proofed room or woods would be fine.

- 250 complaints had been filed, and not all by the same neighbor, before the issue of the ASBO. (this had being going on for 2 years)

She was issued the ASBO and then broke it 3 days later, that is why she is back in court.

"I've been making the same noises since the ASBO was imposed, and this morning, we were making noises for three hours." Mrs Cartwright

by 0f course on 11/12/2009 06:40:45 PM EST

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agreed (none / 0)
I'd be curious to know if the ASBO thing is as bad as the article makes it out to be. Obviously the guy who wrote that was fired up, assuming he's a libertarian living in the UK, his blood pressure is probably through the roof. You're right, what's stated as fact in there might not be. Still, it seems like these ASBOs are pretty lame in that they let allow the govt. to restrict people from doing all sorts of random minor stuff. The idea rubs me the wrong way, like a lot of stuff I hear of the UK govt. doing.

by shiembob on 11/13/2009 12:55:53 AM EST

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This is a "Frank Luntz" esk type poll (none / 0)
Should a government ban loud sex?! Of cooooooooooooourse not! But should the government be allowed to address noise issues and loud neighbors, Of course they should!

Most domestic crimes or crimes by "non career criminal" usually starts out by some small issue and escalates, thats why when cops deals with loud music or a loud fight, and yes even loud sex, it should not be taken lightly or poo pooed on so readily. Should we get upset when the government deals with loud jets and planes and puts restrictions on these vehicles and where they can fly to keep the noise down? Should we get upset when the government builds walls next to freeways to keep noise down? The answer is of course not.

They aren't banning loud sex, they are trying to keep the woman from being a disturbance. The couple can easily sound proof their room and or drown out the noise with some music or a fountain or just stick a pillow in her mouth!

by Smokin on 11/15/2009 11:45:18 AM EST

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40 dB is not all that loud (none / 0)
Cenk said something about the sound level from these sexual interludes was 40 dB.  My local audio expert, my husband, says this is not all that loud.  He compared it to hearing me talking in the kitchen when he was inside his somewhat soundproofed music listening room.  He said the complainer should just get ear plugs.  (I think it also meant I am too loud.) 

by borduin on 11/15/2009 09:45:09 PM EST

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