I support my Commander In Chief.

obama 
“I intend to finish the job in Afghanistan.”

Liberals have always supported America’s enemies during time of war, whenever a Republican was in the White House.

I have a favor to ask of all American liberals. Next time we have a Republican President, and the country is engaged in war, please don’t support the enemy in a treasonous and traitorous manner. 

During the Cold War, they wore this:
stalin

During the Korean War, they wore this:
mao
During the Cuban Missile Crisis, they wore this:
cigar boy
During the Vietnam War, they wore this:vietnam
During the War in Nicaragua, they wore this:
che

During the War on Al Qaeda, they wore this:
osama
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I never post on here, I just watch the show and go about my business (Wes Clark Jr. on the program! YES!). Most of it's just partisan bickering on both sides, even though I admit that most of the website doesn't like you. I don't care about that stuff.

But for you to come on here and say that we want troops to die, that we are unpatriotic just because we have a different political viewpoint, and that we actively support America's enemies is one of the most unpatriotic things one can do. You should be ashamed of yourself, apologize, and admit that we support the troops and our country just as much as conservatives do.

Liberals as a whole didn't root for Stalin or Mao, and even if some did (which I'm sure happened) they were CRAZY PEOPLE. There are crazy people on both sides of the political spectrum.

Liberals support a Republican President to the extent that he is competent, just like I expect conservatives to do with Obama. I (and many liberals, though I don't want to vouch for anyone really) would join hands with Bush anytime over Al Qaeda. I hope that you would do the same for Obama.

I believe that Bush was an incompetent President. But no sane liberal or conservative roots for terrorism. Liberals point out conservatives' faults in the hopes that they correct them, and conservatives point out our faults. Healthy criticism is one of the things that makes our democracy work.

But don't spew out this venomous idea that we root for terrorism. Don't paint us as a movement that rooted for Soviet Russia. Paint us as patriotic Americans and we will do the same for you. We all love our country, and I hope that you (and everyone else that posts on this site) can see that.

Don't come on here and broadly expect liberals to not support our President (Republican or Democrat). None of us want terrorism to succeed. And don't say that you're only talking about certain liberals either. You clearly are saying in your post that liberals as a whole "support the enemy in a treasonous and traitorous manner." I hope that you were writing out of emotion or didn't mean what you wrote, because such hatred isn't just shameful; it's wrong.

Hold yourself up to a higher standard than this. I've never wanted America to fail for ANY political gain and I hope that you feel the same way.

by jljhigdon on 11/25/2009 02:20:39 AM EST

its not worth responding to.

The trolls type this same shit over and over

It gets responses so they keep using it

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/25/2009 03:14:26 AM EST

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Please be my friend.

by Hugh Everett on 11/25/2009 04:18:12 AM EST

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And I will apologize for nothing.

The reason for your strong reaction is that you know my assertions are true. That's tough. Deal with it.

Listen to your own equivocal language on the subject.
 
"I (and many liberals, though I don't want to vouch for anyone really) would join hands with Bush anytime over Al Qaeda."

How many? 10%? 20%? Because the number wasn't much higher than that.

"Liberals as a whole didn't root for Stalin or Mao, and even if some did (which I'm sure happened) they were CRAZY PEOPLE."
hanoi jane
sandanistas
democrat traitors
Alger Hiss
sheehan
carter
The National Hemmeroid
kerry

by Hugh Everett on 11/25/2009 03:56:04 AM EST

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since you think liberals endorse the enemy and anti-war protesters weaken the ability to defend your country you'll love these:  


president nixon toasting with soviet leader leonid brezhnev


president ford rewarding brezhnev for good statesmanship


the maverick meeting an albanian lobby group that supports the KLA and its confirmed ties to al-quaeda


president bush caressing a royal from saudi arabia... home of 18 of the 9/11 hijackers.


delegation of taliban visiting texas then-governed by george w. bush in the mid 90's

president reagan visited by a delegation of afghan mujahideen in 1983. RR praised the soon-to-become taliban as "freedom fighters"


convention of the america first committee (charles lindbergh speaking in picture above) in 1941 to keep the US from fighting against hitler's genocidal expansion.


the same AFC's charles lindbergh meeting with nazi minister of aviation göring and nazi party deputy chairman hess where he's been awarded, on behalf of the Fuehrer, with

the Service Cross of the German Eagle

scooter libby, cheney's right hand, who publicly blew a CIA agent's cover

president george w bush, on 9/11, 'dithering' for 7 mins after being told the country was under attack.


patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - mark twain

by EauDeCologne on 11/25/2009 10:18:40 AM EST

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...because you don't get a lot of people backing what you say in this post.  Most people are battle-tested enough not to add to the comment-count of another incredibly offensive troll post, the likes of which TYT gets about 15 times a week on average.

  Hugh isn't interested in a reasonable argument or in general civility of rhetoric.  You speak of "sane" people and what they root for and against, but Hugh doesn't care, and the people he identifies with are not sane people.  They are Conservatives who hate Liberalism so much that none of their arguments are grounded in reality any longer.  Everything is a conspiracy theory, everything is massive hyperbole and projection, everything is from a perspective that only they are perfect and justified in every opinion they have, even contradictory ones.  We have shown here many times that Conservatives like Hugh are 100% perfect fine spreading talking points that literally do not make sense, are in direct contradiction with other talking points, or are deliberately misleading or flat false.  And that is not even mentioning the amount of hypocrisy in them.

  Hugh's point in this post is to anger Liberals into responding to him 75 times so that he can feel important on this site and claim that overreaching, disgusting attacks against Liberals is the only way to "spark debate".  He intentionally did not use fair or nuanced language, because he does not want to engage in reasonable conversation--just laugh at our outrage.  Either he is actually as pathologically insane and poisonous as the rest of the Conservative movement, or his "role" is to punk us into reacting to him as though he is.  Like a spoiled brat who intentionally does worse and worse things around the house until she knows that eventually something will get her the punishment she deserves, all so that she can laugh as she sneaks out of her room an hour later and defies the punishment.  Insult Hugh, ignore him, refute his points logically, counter his sentiment emotionally, it doesn't matter.  It is all a joke to him, because he has utterly no respect for you or your points and his fun here is not in debating or in trying to sway anyone.  It is in making people upset.

I advise you not to talk to him any longer.  There are plenty of sane people with a wide range of opinion here for you to have meaningful conversation with.  Hugh couches his complete disinterest in good-faith arguments by saying that we hate him because he doesn't share the one political viewpoint he wrongly assumes we all share.  We more just hate him because he is a f*cking douchebag.
 

by Milltycoon on 11/25/2009 04:25:06 AM EST

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Get your lame ass out of my thread. You're not fooling anybody.

I suppose its always possible there are two proundly mentally ill people in the world who would commit suicide when Democrats fail to pass a Public Option, but its highly unlikely. Therefore, Milty is Star and Star is Milty.

By the way, I don't know if you've heard, but Public Option is looking mighty shaky.

Is your car in the garage?

by Hugh Everett on 11/25/2009 04:38:53 AM EST

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You couldn't prove anything about robrob or Fred so now you have to pick a new "sockpuppet?"

Pathetic

by birdboy1 on 11/25/2009 09:11:20 AM EST

[ Parent ]
If you were a rich Texas rancher, oil magnate and descendant of the original Spanish settlers in Texas what type of home would you prefer?


TAKE BACK TYT is a web 527 that opposes GOP and conservative propaganda.

by Take Back TYT on 11/25/2009 12:20:55 PM EST

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Two homes:

1. A modest dwelling in the city next to the office, for convenience.

2. A safe one in the country that can be hardened against attack when society breaks down. 

by Hugh Everett on 11/26/2009 05:26:24 AM EST

[ Parent ]

Go on clown, jump a little higher, make us laugh. Allez-hop!

by eborujion on 11/25/2009 03:49:29 AM EST


Its obvious that Kenisn't getting his attention fix and wants to start a flame war for the holiday. Probably didn't get an invitation fram the family to ruin the holiday.

We looked...this has been posted at least 7 times before either as a blog or a post.

Each time the suckers fall for the bait. If you feel compelled to answer, please, save you anger for your own blog.


 

 


TAKE BACK TYT is a web 527 that opposes GOP and conservative propaganda.

by Take Back TYT on 11/25/2009 08:31:37 AM EST

Many of them haven't had an opportunity to consider the contrast between conservatives and liberals during wartime. It's a real eye opener. Just ask Nancy.
bug eyes

by Hugh Everett on 11/25/2009 08:50:28 AM EST

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That photo is just a riot.

Ol' Nancy looks like somebody just rammed a cucumber up her ass :)

by RedPossum on 11/25/2009 11:21:42 AM EST

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After thinking about it, yea, I agree that there is no point to this post by Hugh Everett.  Plus, it is personally offensive to me because I am "a liberal" but I don't support America's enemies, so he's a dick for saying that (although I don't necessarily support America's side either).

Anyway, now it's full of pretty pictures and lots of responses, so I don't want to delete it.

David

by davidk on 11/25/2009 09:59:05 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Please be my friend.

by Hugh Everett on 11/25/2009 10:18:09 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Kenny's reposting turret's is kicking in again.

Kenny instead of reposting the same crap over and over again, why not try something new, like posting the video of you being waterboarded to demonstrate it isn't torture.

Like your hero Sean Slantheadity, you just repeat the same bullshit over and over, talk a big game but when it comes down to it you're all hat no cattle.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 11/25/2009 08:50:31 AM EST

They just want to cut and run... Or better yet, they SAY they want to leave but then send more troops to die... Then they blame Bush...

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 11:17:29 AM EST

Come on, bobo, you know as well as I do that Afghanistan is the Tar Baby. There is no good way out now that we are in.

At this point, I'd bet you $100 it's going to end just like Viet-Nam did; helicopters fleeing from the roof of the US Embassy with people fighting for places and hanging off the skids, as the victorious "enemy" march into the capital.

And this will happen because Obama, like every other politician, hasn't got the balls to just cut our losses and bail. And he hasn't got the intelligence to see the obvious and increasing parallels to Viet-Nam, so he just stumbles along, deeper and deeper into the box canyon, making the same mistakes.

Heh, mixed my metaphors a little there, didn't I?

by RedPossum on 11/25/2009 11:27:47 AM EST

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This "War on Terrorism" is a giant tar baby, and there is no good way out - That still doesn't change the fact that Liberals in this country spit on troops as they returned from Vietnnam, calling them "baby killers" and "losers". Liberals today haven't changed a bit, and I'm sure that our soldiers know who support them and who doesn't... Hell, Obama can't even tell them what to do there, how the Hell can he support them?

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 11:39:50 AM EST

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The Democrats are the only people who take of Veterans when they return ..... They have passed many bills addressing Veterans issues .... what have conservatives done .. absolutely nothing???

What is the spending Conservatives love to cut when they get into office .. spending addressing Veterans of-course

Conservatives use the soldiers as pawns for their own personal & political agenda .... & when they return from wars they spit on their face instead of giving veterans what they earned for their sacrifice & service

A Proud Progressive!!!

by teron678 on 11/25/2009 12:23:06 PM EST

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Clinton and the dems DESTROYED funding for the active military and VA in the 1990s. Liberals like you only create dependents of the government, veterans included - its a damn shame Obama and the Dems refuse to do what's necessary to raise employment numbers in our country. They WANT veterans to suffer and to come to them for their needs. Its a terrible cycle that needs to be broken, Teron, but I doubt you'd understand why...

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 12:50:08 PM EST

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complete & utter non-sense ...

A Proud Progressive!!!

by teron678 on 11/25/2009 12:54:44 PM EST

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Obama's foreign policy... Or maybe his entire presidency thus far... I agree, complete & utter nonsense!

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 01:03:07 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I'm describing your usual posts & your party's stance on every issue ......

p.s ... I expect you to find "Obama's foreign policy... Or maybe his entire presidency thus far... I agree, complete & utter nonsense" . . After all you did find both Dubya's foreign policy & presidency Fine & Dandy .... LMAO

A Proud Progressive!!!

by teron678 on 11/25/2009 01:17:22 PM EST

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GWB will be remembered for doing SOMETHING!

Obama will dwell at the bottom of the lists with the likes of Carter, Buchannan and Pierce (The Peanut Farmer, the Queer and the Drunk) when history is done with him...

:)

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 02:21:13 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Even a tr0ll can wish ...

A Proud Progressive!!!

by teron678 on 11/25/2009 04:21:12 PM EST

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That still doesn't change the fact that Liberals in this country spit on troops as they returned from Vietnnam, calling them "baby killers" and "losers".

******************

Do you have ANY idea how many Liberals were IN the service back then? Do you think that only Conservatives were drafted or enlisted?

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

by MedfordTim on 11/25/2009 02:59:46 PM EST

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Who greeted the soldiers at the airport with protests and spittle...

It wasnt Conservative America who "dithered" with the war plan in the 60s that led us to the quagmire it became under Nixon...

It wanst Conservative America who joined Jane Fonda and John Kerry up on those stages...

It was Liberals...

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 03:06:48 PM EST

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Actually it was THE AMERICAN PEOPLE who finally had had enough of the war that they agreed with John Kerry and Jane Fonda that we needed to get out.

It was Nixon that escallated the war, expanded it into Cambodia,  and gave us "Peace with Honor."

If only the "Ministry of Truth" were a reality perhaps you could find a job there along side that traitor Winston Smith.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 11/25/2009 03:30:24 PM EST

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Spiiting on our soldiers, Hubble? Who were they? - They were LIBERALS & HIPPIES & COMMIES who are now the "elder statesmen" of the Obama regime...

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 04:28:14 PM EST

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People returning from Vietnam came by boat or by plane - not commercial airliners, Air Force planes. They landed (or docked) at military bases. Anyone waiting on the pier or at the air base were friends and family.

This is a bullshit story, repeated by movies (First Blood, anyone? It wasn't in the book) and liars.

If you KNOW someone it happened to - check their records. Chances are they have never been in the military...

by MedfordTim on 11/25/2009 04:58:45 PM EST

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It did happen, Tim. Yes, people had the right to be mad at the war, but some Liberals took it way too far and assaulted our troops after their discharge... The scene in First Blood comes from the stories of veterans of that time - Why are you denying that this happened?

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 05:09:12 PM EST

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This is the same sort of myth that Woodstock created. If you believe everyone who SAID they were at Woodstock, there would have been 6 million people there.

If an isolated incident of someone spitting on someone else happened, I could see it, but the absolute bullshit of liberals lined up at airports waiting to spit on people and call them baby killers is nothing but Urban Myth.

That scene in First Blood is FICTION, doofus! The character and the story are FICTION. (and, the book was better). The same as Hugh saying "Liberals wore these T-shirts" is FICTION. A few people wore them, but very few.

The reaction most of us got was, "Welcome home, we're glad you're alive."

Like I said, you don't have a fucking clue about it. Evidently, neither does Hugh.

by MedfordTim on 11/25/2009 06:25:12 PM EST

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Hey, I wasn't there. That's why I called my brother-in-law.

But I was at Woodstock.

OK, I lived in Woodstock, Georgia. But I wasn't lying.

by Hugh Everett on 11/25/2009 06:30:04 PM EST

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experience with second hand urban myths.

99.999% were glad the troops were back, the other .001% was divorced by her husband who said she wasn't the women he married when he left. 

I dare say if a"liberal" spit on me when i was leaving the base back in the day he shortly  would be spitting through the spot were his front teeth used to be.

Knowing soldiers, sailors and Marines like I do, I would think that the millions or so toothless spitters would be hard to miss

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/25/2009 10:24:35 PM EST

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This entire the big bad "liberals" were mean to the vets is such a bullshit "myth", because I don't know any vets who wouldn't have kick their asses.

As for as Kenny's uncle's, cousin's, neice's, boyfriends, brother and the mythical run in with bikers, it's funny that when I got back 3 of my friends and I made a cross country trip, starting in the hippy capital of the world San Francisco and when our car broke down in San Diego it was a group of Hell's Angel's who stopped and helped us fix the damn thing. In fact when they found out we were just getting back they went out of their way to make sure we got taken care of, the car was road trip worthy and  wouldn't let us pay for anything.
 
Can you say these spitting on vet stories are BULLSHIT? I knew you could!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 11/25/2009 11:41:09 PM EST

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...It did happen, Tim. Yes, people had the right to be mad at the war, but some Liberals took it way too far and assaulted our troops after their discharge... The scene in First Blood comes from the stories of veterans of that time Why are you denying that this happened?...

The" hippies "that spit on bobo's relatives somehow knew bobo. Makes sense. Lucky for his relatives they didn't try to set them on fire.

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/25/2009 11:58:08 PM EST

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My guess is that it had something to do with a territorial battle over girls. All I know is that it went on for a long time, and local law enforcement ignored it. So the CO took matters into his own hands.

I will see my brother-in-law later today, and will inquire about the details. I didn't realize how close Point Mugu was to Malibu. He must have some good stories.

by Hugh Everett on 11/26/2009 03:04:46 AM EST

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If the bikers and "sailors" getting into fights had nothing to do with vets returning from Viet Nam why did you  post it into a discussion about how big, mean, liberal, commie, pinko, hippies mistreated poor defensless vets? 

If you have 2 homes, at which one did you video tape yourself being waterboarded, did your brother in law help?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 11/26/2009 07:26:05 AM EST

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Six Degrees of Separation from Ken

 

1.Bikers have "bikes" that use gas.

2.Gas comes from oil.

3.Oil comes from Texas.

4.Kenny comes from Texas. ( although he claims to have attended school in the most impoverished area of Appalachia, a suburb of dallas?)

5.Kenny owns "oil" wells (Hence his ability to buy two homes... I have always found one a bit of a pain, rental property..forget it 

6.Bikers used some of Kenny's oil ( future tense)to ride the bikes to beat up the sailors after they spit on them for being several thousand miles away from Vietnam at PT Mugu flying ASW missions in P3's or testing missiles and drones at any given time during the conflict while Kenny was avoiding service to his country.

Got it Hubs? You can play to!

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/26/2009 09:12:15 AM EST

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Kens relatives like the movies it seems.

This Ken story was a movie Hells Angels on Wheels  1967

"---Later that night, the Angels return the favor by hunting down and beating four sailors who beat Poet four-against-one after he parted company with the group.Poet accidentally bumps into one of the sailors and speaks rudely to him before he realizes that the sailor has three other sailors with him.The four sailors then refuse to accept his apology.

The Angels only know that four sailors beat up Poet, and he doesn't tell them how the earlier fight started. One of the sailors pulls a knife on the Angels and is then killed accidentally in the fight that follows.---"

A lot of the Vietnam vet fictions came from the Billy Jack movies, biker movies and other drive in fare from the period.

It was exploited by Rambo and other Reagan era macho bullshit.

Now the myth is part of conservative attacks against people who think life is much more than making money, shooting things and being self absorbed assholes.

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/26/2009 09:31:35 AM EST

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Got the lowdown from Clark yesterday when we were having turkey.

When he returned from Vietnam, the plane he was on was loaded with Marines and Sailors. It was scheduled to land at Travis AFB, but they were diverted to Oakland because of some kind of crash at Travis.

Somehow the liberal posse in Oakland got news that plane loads of returning vets were coming into OAK, so there were throngs of protestors waiting at the airport when they arrived.

All the Marines wanted to fight, but MPs were there, explaining how the discharge process goes much easier for servicemen who are not locked up in the brig.   &nbs p;

by Hugh Everett on 11/27/2009 04:47:08 PM EST

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Wow! Marines wanted to fight? Really? That's amazing, of all the bars I visited while I was in I never met a Marine who wanted to fight before, after all they're known for being such peaceful folk.

Thanks for clearing that up for us Kenny!

Did you happen to ask Clark what would have happened if someone had spit on them?

Now what is the FAKE veteran story Kenny, or are you saying you're posting fake stories?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 11/27/2009 05:27:25 PM EST

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Particularly since they would have diverted a MAC flight to Alameda NAS or more likely Hamilton Air Force Base which had a MAC terminal and a  troop transport wing at the time.

Both had military customs units and could handle further travel arrangements.

Convenient wasn't it,they would divert to a civilian airport where a "liberal posse" could get to the " returning vets. "

 

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/27/2009 08:27:51 PM EST

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Oddly enough, the three biggest bullshitters I've ever known were all Navy veterans: Fred, Clark, Hubble.

Must be something about those long months onboard ship. Maybe all you guys did was sit around telling each other tall tales. That would explain the excellent training that Fred and Hubble received.

Interestingly enough, one of the most honest people I've ever known is also ex-Navy, and his name is Tim. I guess the guys in the galley were too busy cutting up carrots and potatoes to find the time for spinning yarns.

At any rate, my research tells me that Berkeley was a hotbed for anti-war activity during the Vietnam era. Now all we have to do is find out if military transports could actually be diverted to OAK.

I'm not placing any bets on the veracity of any of you three. We'll just have to wait for the outcome.

by Hugh Everett on 11/28/2009 05:47:17 AM EST

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Is this what you two guys are really all about? Spinning tall tales? Putting people on? Making shit up?

I gotta admit, I'm pretty gullible. When somebody tells me something, I'm inclined to take them at their word. I was never in the Navy.

It might explain why you never believe anything I say. After 30 years in the Navy, I guess you literally don't believe the truth when you hear it.

So when you heard about my Dad working with Tom Delay and Denny Hastert, you thought the GOP connections were a lie.

And when you read for years about my one-and-only single issue of taxation, you thought I had OCD, and I just wanted rich people to just keep on gettin' richer, because that's the American Way.

And when you called me a "phony" engineer, you didn't find it odd that no engineer in the forum ever dared challenge my knowledge in the field.

And when you looked up the website, you thought the oil and gas experience must be somebody else's. (Well, my Dad does have a petroleum engineering degree, and more than a half century in the oil patch. But he was nice enough to teach me a couple of things on Take Your Kid To Work Day.) 

by Hugh Everett on 11/28/2009 06:16:18 AM EST

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We can discuss your opinions, no dispute about those.

The problem is you insist on personalizing every subject simply as a vehicle to expound on why you are so great and every one else is a liar, a "liberal (add your insult)" or other derogatory comment that comes to your mind at the time.

In that regard there is no debate as far as you're concerned, it rather like a drive by shooting, where you shout a few inflammatory talking points, toss in a few insults or a little condescending attitude and run away to the next attack. It's pointless.

I know the truth when I hear or read it. I haven't heard it or read it in your case. Thousands of sailors have come through commands where I have worked. Discipline wise, I have heard it all. Trust is earned. It is earned through performance. When a solider, sailor or Marine tells me he did x,y or z, I check. If x,y or z is done as described, you begin to build a trust relationship with the solider, sailor or Marine. The next time the solider, sailor or Marine tells me he did x,y or z, I believe it, I don't have to check.

..So when you heard about my Dad working with Tom Delay and Denny Hastert, you thought the GOP connections were a lie...

This is the first time I have read that. If you say so. I doubt seriously that someone who is well connected in a political party as you claim would spend the amount of time you do on a second/third tier political show and website instead of pursuing bigger game. Either way, I really could care less what your dad does, who he knows and how much money he has. You constantly claimed you were on the "inside" of the GOP. Its your boast and of little concern to me.

...And when you read for years about my one-and-only single issue of taxation, you thought I had OCD, and I just wanted rich people to just keep on gettin' richer, because that's the American Way...

Possibly the only truthful thing you have ever posted. Most rich people I know feel no need to constantly brag about it. You may be rich..I doubt it. Just think how much richer you would be if you didn't spend most of your day blogging about your wealth on TYT.   Sounds to me like you want to be rich, you hatch big schemes and plans that never pan out and you need someone or something to blame. That  reason is taxes, the bogeyman "liberals". Wealthy people I know were smart enough to get and stay wealthy regardless of who was in the White House. That's why they are wealthy and you're not. It's your boast and of little concern to me.

...And when you called me a "phony" engineer, you didn't find it odd that no engineer in the forum ever dared challenge my knowledge in the field...

You know as well as I do you cant prove a negative. How many bonifide engineers are there on TYT blog? From what I have seen you have demonstrated little that a normal person couldn't have picked up from staying awake in a college chemistry or physics class. I have never called you a "phony engineer". You may have graduated from UT with a chemistry degree. I have no idea what you educational background is. I know your numerous explanations are confused and disjointed. Again it's your boast and of little concern to me. 

..And when you looked up the website, you thought the oil and gas experience must be somebody else's. (Well, my Dad does have a petroleum engineering degree, and more than a half century in the oil patch. But he was nice enough to teach me a couple of things on Take Your Kid To Work Day.)...

I don't know what website your referring to. Your family, your families activities, wealth or poverty, relatives, oil wells, Texas heritage or not, are your claims and of little concern to me.

We have been down this road before, and this too is pointless.

You make yourself the issue, that's the point. You enjoy it. You cultivate it. In short ,you need it. 

Don't flatter yourself by thinking that Hubble and I  spend every waking hour researching Ken...we don't. Don't flatter yourself by claiming every new detractor is my , Stars or Hubbles sock puppet, they aren't. Don't ever assume a I have spent  any time "researching" your personal information. I haven't.

You're just not that interesting. You are just a run of the mill loudmouth on an Internet forum. No more, no less. You're fun to bat around every now and then, that's about it.

In closing, when it comes to trust, and that's what we are talking about here, you haven't earned it.

That will never completely happen on an Internet forum so why bother? You could be Bill Gates or a homeless guy at the rescue mission

Sounds to me like you have trust issues with your father. You need to work those out before you come here ( or anywhere ) and expect unconditional acceptance and praise for you lives work and accomplishments, real or imagined.

So I have wasted enough time on you this morning, I'm out of coffee and the weather is great so..see ya.

Hope you had a good holiday, family infighting aside.

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/28/2009 10:09:13 AM EST

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"Sounds to me like you have trust issues with your father."

I don't understand what that means. My wife and I just returned from lunch with my parents. I think my relationship with them is great, and I feel very lucky they're still around.

I remember liberals going on about "Daddy Issues" that George W Bush supposedly had with George H.W. Bush, and I never understood those either. George W. Bush was elected twice to the governorship and twice to the presidency. I guess maybe that resolved his daddy issues, I don't know. Bush 41 and Bush 43 spend a lot of time together. They like each other.

"You make yourself the issue, that's the point."

I'm delighted for you and Hubble to make me the issue. Criticize me as much as you want. I can take it. Here's an example.

"You constantly claimed you were on the "inside" of the GOP."

Really? Where? Let's see some examples.

"Don't ever assume a I have spent  any time "researching" your personal information. I haven't."
 
Really? What was the deal with those dozens and dozens of posts about my college degrees?

"Wealthy people I know were smart enough to get and stay wealthy regardless of who was in the White House."

Most affluent people I know spend money as fast, or faster, than they earn it. The key to building wealth is to live below your means as much as possible. That includes reducing your overhead from federal income tax, state income tax, property tax, etc.

"How many bonifide engineers are there on TYT blog?"

Mookie's a chem e. He has never for one moment doubted my education. As a matter of fact, he will be graduating soon, and I might even be able to help him find a job.

"I know your numerous explanations are confused and disjointed."

In a recent meeting with TYT forum regulars, I thought about bringing diplomas, Phi Beta Kappa plaque, honors, etc as a joke. But then I realized you would simply claim that I printed the documents and that the ink was probably still wet.

This forum is inhabited by a bunch of young liberals who are waiting for Barack Obama to steal money from wealthy people and give them free health care and a good job. I'm simply trying to help them understand that the free lunch is never coming. They need to get up and get moving.

There are only 3 people who spend a lot of time with personal attacks on liberals. And there is only one person who has attacked every conservative who ever posted on the TYT site.

I'm not mentioning any names, but I think you know who I'm talking about.

I want to thank you for all of the time you've spent trying to help me with my personal problems.

















by Hugh Everett on 11/28/2009 04:40:13 PM EST

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There are only 3 people who spend a lot of time with personal attacks on liberals CONSERVATIVES.

by Hugh Everett on 11/28/2009 05:01:05 PM EST

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Who was at the meeting? Where was the meeting? I'm sure the "regulars" wouldn't mind posting that they attended a meeting. Oh..yeah thats right you were going post from your "blackberries'' Never happened, so there was no meeting. More KenBS. You use your so called credentials in your arguments. RobRob called you on it. Not my problem. If you have a problem with the posts about your degrees, talk to the people who posted them. Not my problem. You post your personal information here on the Forum.Not me. Not Hubble...you do. You and you alone. If you don't want it to be used don't post it. Have a nice life

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/28/2009 05:46:15 PM EST

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Anyone who wants to report having dinner with Hugh Everett is welcome to report it to the forum, or not. But I will not disclose identities. Any such meetings are private and off the record.

Hubble has never had dinner with me before, but he was invited once, when I was in Atlanta.

I won't drop any other names.

I like it when Fred goes on record making rude claims about me. It makes the truth even sweeter when it finally comes out.

Here's another example of a Fred statement:

"You constantly claimed you were on the "inside" of the GOP."

Can you offer any evidence? This should be an easy one for you, since it happened "constan tly". I won't even ask you to prove "constantly". How 'bout just once?

I'm racking my brain, trying to remember when I even posted an obvious joke where I claimed to be a "GOP Insider". If I ever said such a thing, it was in the context of a joke. Maybe I said the GOP was funding my contributions to TYT, or that the GOP wanted to purchase advertising on TYT during the 2008 election campaign. But even a liberal moron should have been able to understand such a joke.

Hubble has a good memory. So does Robrob. So does Zippy. So does TakeBackTYT. Get them to help you.

There's credibility riding on this thing, and I know how you hate to have your credibility impugned. It makes you mean and snippy.

As I see it, you've got three choices:
1. Produce the quote(s).
2. Admit you're lying.
3. Erase your comment.

Since you have the ability to make #3 happen, that's the one I'm betting on.

Fred, we're talking about the domino principle here. If this lie is exposed, then we move on to other lies you have told about me.

I want you to produce an example (where I wasn't joking) where I made a serious claim that I was a "GOP insider".

by Hugh Everett on 11/28/2009 06:14:37 PM EST

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Is this an example of my "constant claims" that I'm a GOP insider?

Wow.

I sound really serious and self-important in that post.

by Hugh Everett on 11/28/2009 06:26:51 PM EST

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This one sounds more like a "GOP Outsider".

The GOP had nothing to do with SBVFT.

SBVFT ran a much more effective campaign than Karl Rove did in 2004.

by Hugh Everett on 11/28/2009 06:39:34 PM EST

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Does this post make me sound like a GOP Insider?

Or does it make me sound like an observer and loyal supporter?

Where are the constant posts where I claim to be a GOP Insider?

by Hugh Everett on 11/28/2009 07:58:34 PM EST

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I'm must admit I'm intrigued as to what "tall tales" little Kenny thinks we are bullshitting about. To my knowledge Fred has never made extraordinary claims, and the only claim I have ever made in regards to my service is I did volunteer and I did serve in Viet Nam. I never claimed any type of heroics, secret ninja training, or advanced skills like Kenny's favorite banned forum member BytchBang did.

I'm glad to see you trust Tim, but I must say I'm confused as to why you bring him into this conversation because he agrees with Fred and me about the entire mythos surrounding spitting on vets.

What does Berkley have to do with the conversation? Kent State Ohio was also a hotbed for protesters as were many other colleges around the country, but to my knowledge veterans didn't land on campus, as Fred and Tim have pointed out they almost always came back to military air bases that for security reasons tend to have restricted access, and if on the RARE occasion a military transport had been diverted to OAK, exactly how would the "liberal posse" have been privy to the flight schedule?

As to your numerous claims of wealth, education, political connections, manliness I can only say you remind me of this guy.

As to other issues;

So when you heard about my Dad working with Tom Delay and Denny Hastert, you thought the GOP connections were a lie.

Didn't care one way or the other.

And when you read for years about my one-and-only single issue of taxation, you thought I had OCD, and I just wanted rich people to just keep on gettin' richer, because that's the American Way.

Actually it's not, and history is on my side, but history has never been your strong point. Of course when you get all you history talking points from Drug addicts and Alcoholics, it's understandable they might not get it right.

And when you called me a "phony" engineer, you didn't find it odd that no engineer in the forum ever dared challenge my knowledge in the field.

They don't have to challenge you, anyone with half a brain can understand you just google shit and don't even bother to read what you post because invariably what you claim is contradicted in the very links you provide.

And when you looked up the website, you thought the oil and gas experience must be somebody else's. (Well, my Dad does have a petroleum engineering degree, and more than a half century in the oil patch. But he was nice enough to teach me a couple of things on Take Your Kid To Work Day.)

No one cares, George W. Bush was a Texas Oil man who lived off his daddy's reputation too, of course he never found oil, is he your role model?

You've made so many claims and purport to be so many things it's no wonder you can't keep up, and then you want to call others bullshitters.

In conclusion..What Fred said!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 11/28/2009 02:30:01 PM EST

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isn't it strange that the only blogger on TYT that has this problem is Ken?

That should tell you something.

TWBA is a "conservative" he never seems to have this problem. Bobo is a conservative he rarely seems to have this problem.

I wonder why?

Could it be TWBA states his opinion, argures his point and moves on. No personal history, no outrageous personal claims used to "prove" his point.

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/28/2009 02:54:16 PM EST

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Let's see if I can make this link work.

by Hugh Everett on 11/27/2009 05:13:24 PM EST

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Note to New Forum Members, if you make a Kenny Credibility watch....YOU'VE WON!

If Kenny could only learn to use the Googles and dig a little deeper.

In the video Delmar does not say he was spit on he says he was spit at.

Here is a link to a follow up story were Delmar gives us a few more details.

The date was April 23, 1971, Pickett says. He and four other GIs dressed in uniform were walking down a corridor from the main terminal to the gate and came upon four young men who were standing along the wall. One of the young men, who Pickett says looked to be 19 years old, had long hair, and was wearing a shabby T-shirt, said something to the GIs—something about "killers"—a nd then spat, missing Pickett.

"I handed my hat and duffel bag to one of my guys and headed straight for that guy. He started backing up," Pickett says, and all four civilians beat a retreat. "They were heading down through that tunnel." Pickett says he was "combat tough" the day he was spat at. "I could have turned him into a pretzel."

This account doesn't completely square with the version Pickett gave CBS News long ago. In it, two men walk up to him and one spits at him. Asked to explain the discrepancy between the two accounts, Pickett offers that it might have been two men after all. Or it might have been two men and two women. He also says he gave CBS News just "a bare outline" of the incident.

At no point does Pickett display any defensiveness about his inconsistencies. Indeed, he's philosophical about the limited powers of human beings to recall the past with any precision.

"Memory tends to blur," Pickett says. "Things you think happened didn't. Things you think didn't, did. Time softens everything."


So in conclusion, the spitter missed, and Delmar was ready to kick their asses anyway but they ran like scared rabbits. It was an isolated incident that became the myth of the ages regarding returning Vets.

I found this on Wikipedia, which I think covers the issue pretty well.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 11/28/2009 02:21:45 PM EST

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This is exactly the kind of argument I've been dealing with for years from Hubble:

"In the video Delmar does not say he was spit on he says he was spit at."

What am I supposed to do with a statement like that?

How do you categorize that kind of argument?

Is it called parsing?

Deconstruction?

Nuance?

Chicken shit?

Bullshit?

That kind of argument sounds like it was developed by the Kerry Campaign communications team in September of 2004.

It reminds me of the time that Hubble spent weeks defending Max Cleland's Silver Star and LBJ's Silver Star. 

by Hugh Everett on 11/28/2009 03:01:30 PM EST

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Take one line out of an entire post and ignore the entire point of the story.

Have you ever thought of becoming a fundemental Christian Preacher?  With skills like that you could be quite successful, and with your ego, and education and skills I'm sure you could really rock em in Waco!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 11/28/2009 03:17:07 PM EST

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No, that wouldn't work, Kenny couldn't deal with the fact that God and Jesus have better stories that he does.There is only room for one divine father son team in his life and thats Kenny and his daddy.

Speaking of parsing, Kenny gets upset when his ever evolving educational history is 'parsed"

Regardless, even if one "hippy" spit on a retuning serviceman how does that translate to every "liberal" that has ever lived is a traitor?

It doesnt, just more pointless bullshit from the Lone Ranger.

 

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/28/2009 03:47:26 PM EST

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He would be following in the footsteps of another fellow who thought he was the son of God, and only he could lead you to salvation. Doesn't Kenny always say he's here to educate liberals? Doesn't he promise to lead us all to the promised land?

He also mistrusted the Federal Government, liked his guns, and wrote shit nobody could understand.

The down side was the Feds did take him out.

How does the name Kenny Koresh sound?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 11/28/2009 05:03:13 PM EST

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Kenny Koresh sounds like a name for gormet dog food or a an IHOP knock off.

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/28/2009 05:49:04 PM EST

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I want to be perfectly clear on what you are saying.
Viet Nam Veterans came home after their tour of duty and pussy, liberal, commie, pinko, faggot, (BIKERS K ENNY?) called them baby killers and spit on them and homicide charges were never filed against the veterans.

I don't know what Veterans you know Bobo, but all the ones I hung out with would have immediatly performed a scientific experiment to see exactly how for you can cram someones head up their ass.

Which reminds me I know a guy who has a cousin who knows this guy who swears on the Bible, and who actually passed a lie detector test who says he was scooped up by aliens in this bright light and given an anal probe and a chicklet before they released him. Then a group of gay bikers met with the aliens and brokered a peace accord.

It happened, I saw it on South Park!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 11/25/2009 07:54:35 PM EST

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A lot of the sailors I knew performed scientific experiments to see exactly how far they could cram someones head up their ass.

No spit required. The record was 13 inches.

Im sure that bobo would have been a new record considering his tendency to perform do it yourself colonoscopies.

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/26/2009 12:08:24 AM EST

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He said men in uniform caught hell, once stateside. His CO sent two busloads of SeaBees, armed with lead pipes, to a biker bar in Oxnard, CA on a mission of diplomacy. This happened after months of 5 on 1 attacks against servicemen. Mission Accomplished.

by Hugh Everett on 11/25/2009 05:37:54 PM EST

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Bikers? That's who you're putting forth as "Liberals who attacked servicemen?" Really??

Gimmeafugginbreak....

by MedfordTim on 11/25/2009 06:28:49 PM EST

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It's Thanksgiving, and I wanted all Americans to come together like a Norman Rockwell painting.
norm

I was hoping that liberals would finally learn a lesson about supporting the Commander In Chief during time of war, even if he is a Republican.

Imagine how you guys would have behaved if Bush had been President over the last 10 months.

Now compare the deference conservatives have shown Obama in his war effort.

Are you not able to recognize the stark difference?

by Hugh Everett on 11/25/2009 06:45:05 PM EST

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the moment he typed  I just called my brother in law

Its obvious he is lying.   He always comes up with  a degree or a phone call or whatever he thinks works at the moment.

Since  they where drafting people that where not in college of a certain age .. demographic and a lot of the times color. The "hippies" where most definitely in Viet Nam  or Canada  but they where not spitting on anyone.

I think birthers have a cognitive reasoning problem.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/25/2009 06:53:00 PM EST

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Amazing isn't it. I think a new parlor game should be six degrees of separation from kentx

What you said was definitely true . The "unconnected" went to war. I forget exactly when , 1971 I think,the draft lottery started. It was supposed to solve all of that. Somehow the rich and famous still got deferments or cushy National Guard jobs.

 

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/25/2009 10:34:25 PM EST

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ike ronnie raygun did in lebanon bobotaitz?

:)

I support our troops. Thats why I dont want them put in harms way based on a lie  like in Iraq .

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/25/2009 12:29:40 PM EST

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Want the troops home is because the pickings at the local bars are slim because the sailors are away... If you supported our troops, you'd stop giving them VD during shore leave...

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 12:43:11 PM EST

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I hope you arent driving anywhere

Whats the matter bobotaitz? Didnt have a good answer?

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/25/2009 12:59:53 PM EST

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Would you have liked to have seen a full scale war in the Middle East while the Soviet Union was still around? That's why you (hopefully) don't make decisions about such things... Just go down to your hangout and spread more "love" around, or go watch your Adam Lambert AMA Bootleg...

by bobo1 on 11/25/2009 01:07:50 PM EST

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I was right about ronnie raygun  defying his generals and cutting and running. Otherwise it wouldnt be nearly as much fun.

P.S   I didnt use the '  <--   in wouldnt.. you can concentrate on that rather than an intelligent response

thanks !

:)

hey bobotaitz  what do you mean by spread the love around?

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/25/2009 05:01:02 PM EST

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Fingers or fisting.

Since you had the original  " Bo knows Diddling" posted as a response here deleted I though I would give you the opportunity again.

That way the "monitor" can see what an thin skinned ass you really are.

Nice debate by the way.  Of course you would never resort to name calling, its against your 'conservative" principles.

by Sock Puppet Fred on 11/25/2009 01:09:11 PM EST

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Couldn't have hurt to try though.

Haha, I thought Hugh was just being unreasonable, now I learn that he IS unreasonable.

 The Rosenbergs? Ehh, I see where you're going (they're Jewish and therefore MUST be libs, right?) but that one's kind of shoddy.

Your reaction was far greater than mine anyway. You image searched google, hoorah!

But pretty pictures are pretty. So I bid you good day, sir.

by jljhigdon on 11/25/2009 01:09:20 PM EST

It's all the same fucking game of soldiers. The politicians and the CEO's and the bankers play their power games, while the poor line doggies are gambled, spent, and sacrificed like markers on a game board.

One vet's pictures, the soundtrack is by his daughter.

by RedPossum on 11/25/2009 02:27:46 PM EST

Don't feed the troll. :-) and nod....

by thisuser on 11/25/2009 07:26:07 PM EST

It hasnt been defined.

Sorry but I dont feel compelled to back the President no matter what. If we all acted like robots like you want. We would still be in Viet Nam.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/28/2009 12:47:37 AM EST

"It's "safe" again to pose uncomfortable questions to the president of the United States and his team. It is actually "patriotic". Barack Obama embraces this patriotism of those who challenge him and dissent from his core policy positions and decisions. This is a stunning difference with the political world America has left behind."
-- Steve Clemons

And neither do I

You are living in the bush past

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/28/2009 10:34:22 AM EST

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