11/03/2009 11:00:00 PM EST

NY-23

posted by publius

Somebody call Michael Shure and get him into the studio.  Polls were off huge and Owens could upset Hoffman in NY-23 tonight.

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It's a nail biter for sure. 
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NY-23 | 15 comments (15 topical, 0 hidden)
Congrats to Owens... (none / 0)
He won a good race... But just remember, more people voted against Owens than for him - something to remember... :)

by bobo1 on 11/03/2009 11:56:42 PM EST

watch this (none / 0)
I'm going to write without the usual epithets. Bobo, is that your silver lining? really? A district that hasn't gone for the democratic party in 100 years turns, and all you got is "he won by plurality"? That's fucking retarded.

by hazmat on 11/03/2009 11:58:48 PM EST

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But its true.... (none / 0)
Retarded or not... :)

by bobo1 on 11/04/2009 12:12:36 AM EST

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A little help (none / 1)
for poor bobo. See if you can wrap your mind around this. This was supposed to be the big tea-bagger victory. Rush has been all over foxnewstm crowing about how all the republicans need to do is run REAL CONSERVATIVES. A bunch of flyover carpetbaggers, including the great wicked bitch of the west, Sarah Palin, set down their markers and overturned the local republican party choice in favor of a "true conservative". They laughed at Newt Gingrich, and called him "too liberal". Surely, this overwhelming conservative district would ratify the anointed pick of Queen Sarah Palin. Surely.

Except...they didn't. The lesson of the day isn't that "more people voted against" Owens than for him, its that MORE PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST HOFFMAN, you idiot. That's why Owens (D) is likely to be the next congressman in NY-23, a district that hasn't gone (D) in 100 years.

Sorry for shouting.

by hazmat on 11/04/2009 12:38:02 AM EST

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I think boss limbaugh (none / 0)
said   the true conservative candidate would win in a landslide

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/04/2009 12:43:37 AM EST

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The NY 23rd also seems (none / 0)
to be a big deal because THE WHOLE REASON that we even had this "special election" is because the Obama administration pulled John McHugh into a federal position. The took a gamble which paid off in at least a few good ways!

by tifosies on 11/04/2009 06:50:01 AM EST

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p.s. I also got a laugh (none / 0)
as it looked like you started out your comment INTENDING to use no epithet...but then COULDN'T RESIST!! BTW, it IS bobo, so you're forgiven!

by tifosies on 11/04/2009 07:03:31 AM EST

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Well... (none / 0)
Looks like Scozzafava supporters broke for Owens 2-1 over Hoffman since Saturday if the last couple of polls are to be believed.  So having her out of the race might have lead to an even bigger win for Owens. 

by publius on 11/04/2009 12:14:28 AM EST

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True... (none / 0)
Question: Isnt this district gonna be re-written next year, and this seat wont exist (in its current form)?

Thanks!

:)

by bobo1 on 11/04/2009 12:20:58 AM EST

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Didnt the conservative party (none / 1)
just suffer a big defeat?

thanks

:)

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 11/04/2009 12:45:14 AM EST

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and then there's this (none / 0)
http://washingtonindependen t.com/66474/ny-23-watertown -mayor-its-over

by hazmat on 11/03/2009 11:56:45 PM EST

Caution (none / 0)

It looks like Owens has this, but there are supposedly more than 10,000 absentee ballots in this military district.  Obviously a lot of those are going probably going to Scozzafava since she didn't drop out of the race until Saturday.  But that might not be a good thing for Owens either since polls showed him losing to Hoffman when Soczzafava was still in the race and hadn't endorsed him yet. 

Only about 4,000 votes separate Hoffman and Owens out of around 110,000 votes cast.  Still, one of the districts not reporting all of its precincts is heavily Owens favored.  So it looks good overall.  

by publius on 11/04/2009 12:10:04 AM EST

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Hoffman has conceded to Owens, and (none / 0)
although the rethuglicans are rejoicing over their "doubleheader" win in the VA and NJ governor contests the NY23 is the true bellwether in the final analysis.  Both the GOP governor candidates pulled well to the middle during their campaigns emphasizing the economy over social issues and eschewed any contact with the right wing-nut tea-bagger Palin-Armey craziservatives that shoved their carpet-bagger candidate into the NY23 race forcing the state GOP picked candidate to withdraw and endorse the Obama supported democratic winner: Bill Owens.

"Our challenges aren't Democratic or Republican. They're not liberal or conservative. They are American challenges that we will overcome with American resolve," Owens said in his victory speech. "The only way that we can create jobs and attract economic development to our communities is by bringing people of all parties together and giving everyone a seat at the table."

With 92 percent of the precincts reporting early Wednesday, Owens defeated businessman Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, 49 percent to 45 percent, after a boost from unified labor efforts in the last days of the campaign.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.c om/2009/11/03/bill-owens-le ads-doug-hof_n_344776.html

by gatekeeper50 on 11/04/2009 10:23:58 AM EST

All politics is local (none / 0)

I don't like drawing conclusions about the national electorate from NY-23 any more than I do from the gubernatorial races in NJ and VA. 

I tend to agree with Nate Silver that the lesson of last night should be "All Politics is Local".  We can draw conclusions about national trends next year when there are 435 local elections across all 50 states.

Hoffman didn't live in NY-23 and showed no knowledge or interest in local issues.  Ninety-five percent of his funding was from outside of the district.  

Corzine was up against a bad economy.  According the Silver "three-quarters of Corzine's voters cited a national issue -- health care or the economy -- as their primary reason for voting for him, two-thirds of Christie's picked a local one (property taxes and corruption)."

by publius on 11/04/2009 11:37:12 AM EST

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You know probably swung this race? (none / 0)

...is the fact that Doug Hoffman looked to be the least charismatic candidate in the history of man.


As Jon Stewart put it...'so, this is just like Mr. Smith goes to Wa-...ZZZZZZZZZZ'.

I agree.  I saw some speeches of Hoffman.  The man had about as much presence as a bucket.

by staticnz on 11/04/2009 09:28:56 PM EST

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