Here is How We Can Start Talking About Race

Two interesting things happened on Wednesday that are related one another even though it might not seem like it at first blush. The NY Post ran a cartoon of two cops shooting a monkey which a lot of people considered racist. And the new Attorney General, Eric Holder, said that we were a "nation of cowards" because we were scared to talk about race.

Here is how the two things relate to one another. One of the reasons that the country is afraid to talk openly about race is because people are afraid that they are going to be called racists or charged with insensitivity for what they say (or in this case draw). We have to start giving these people a pass even if we suspect that they did not have the best of intentions.

Why? Because if we yell racism every time there is a question about race then people will clam up. Does that mean that nothing should be considered racist anymore or that we shouldn't challenge people on what they have said or done? No, of course not. But it does mean that we should change the way we talk about these issues.

Instead of calling Sean Delonas, the cartoonist at the NY Post, a racist, we should ask him if he understands why his drawing might come across as offensive to some. Not to prove our point, but to start an actual dialogue. Ask him, "Can you not see that given the historical taunts against African-Americans that some may interpret your cartoon as directed at the president? It says in your cartoon that the monkey wrote the stimulus package, whether you intended it or not, can you not see how people might interpret that as a reference to Barack Obama?"

I genuinely want to know his answer to these questions. Not because I want to accuse him of anything, but because I want to understand where he's coming from and explain where we're coming from.

But in order to do this, we have got to lay down our arms first. Progressives who empathize with the fight against racism have to do something magnanimous to start this conversation. They have to turn the other cheek. They have to be open to the idea that people who say or do things that appear racists to them might have a different motivation or perspective. And instead of attacking that person, they have to engage them in a real conversation where you listen to and learn from one another.

Otherwise, none of us are ever going to get all of these feelings surrounding race out into the open. Once the battlefield is joined, everyone retreats to their foxholes.

Now, on the other hand, there are some things that are obviously and clearly over the top racist. And the people involved have no intention of engaging in any kind of productive conversation. This is why I am suggesting a new burden of proof for charges of racism.

I suggest that we move from the civil to criminal standard of proof. In civil cases, you simply need a preponderance of the evidence to conclude someone is right or wrong. If you think one side is 51% right, you can rule on their side. In criminal cases, you need to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt. Some say that means you have to be 98% certain that the person is guilty. That's the standard I would like to move to on issues of racism.

Have I judged people too quickly in the past in this regard? Yes, I'm sure there have been instances. So, this admonishment applies to me just as well as everyone else. Going forward, let's not call something racist unless we are sure beyond a reasonable doubt that it is. And there will be plenty of such cases. But on anything that can be interpreted in a different way, let's give people the benefit of the doubt, at least long enough to hear their perspective.

If we're going to have a useful conversation about race in this country, we can't have everyone walking on eggshells. Let's afford people the opportunity to take some risks and to say things they might not otherwise say in mixed company. Because if we get these things out in the open we might find out a lot more quickly how wrong our perceptions of the other side are. And more importantly, move beyond them.

So, let me start this process. Sean Delonas is not a racist. I certainly don't know that his cartoon was racist beyond a reasonable doubt. So, I would like to hear from him what he was thinking when he drew it and if he is concerned about the perceptions of the cartoon. Not just concerned because of what people are saying about him, but concerned that he might have overlooked a valid point about the subtext of this piece that he did not intend.

I hope that he responds because this is as good a place as any to start the conversation we all need, and - in  the words of our new Attorney General - are too scared to have.

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i thought they were making fun of policmen in some way, like they are bad.  This makes sense because from my understanding, policmen will suffer under obama and the stimulus but not quite sure....Then i thought that it must be racist because they called obama a monkey. But then i saw the story on the chimp being killed in real life and saw that the artist is just comparing both stories, the artist is totally not racist, but if he lived in hickville usa, then we might have another story.  But given the this instance, and he lives in ny, hes not guilty(not racist).

by AndrewInNY on 02/19/2009 04:01:11 AM EST

I just think it's ridiculous to assume the guy was being a big racist from out of the blue. At the same time, though, I don't get what's supposed to be funny about the cartoon. So a rampaging chimp gets shot, what does that have to do with the stimulus bill?

Maybe he was making some metaphor that was too deep for it's own sake, like that the chimp itself is the support of the stimulus bill? Probably not, but who knows. Because if he was just going to call Obama a monkey, he could have at least drawn the chimp in a business suit. Not that it would have been funny in the slightest if he had, but then I would be seeing the correlation to Obama. I don't see much of one as it is. I see paranoia and thin skins.

by First Sleep on 02/19/2009 06:34:05 AM EST

Maybe the cartoonist had this in mind when he drew the cartoon.

by Twba on 02/19/2009 08:34:00 AM EST

Regarding the artist, I’m not saying this guy is a racist, but one this is for certain, as far as I’m concerned, is he knew that the monkey would be perceived as both a racially insulting symbol, as well as a symbol for fools.

Artist know these things and especially a comic artists whose job it is to communicate with visual cues. Does this make him a racist,..... no, but throw away the idea that this was an innocent mistake that has nothing to do with evoking a racially charge emotion.

As for having a better dialog, that won’t happen until everyone recognizes that everyone is racist to a degree. Doesn’t matter what skin color you have ,you are racist. Today we only see and talk about a sliver or only a small type of racial tensions, .... when some white guy offends some minority, but the reality is there is alot more hate and tension out there in all forms and shapes. Blacks are just as racist as white, Mexicans and blacks have racial tensions, Asian and black, and in recent history middle eastern and Indians have been hated by most. Its only unless we learn about our weakness in character that we can learn to rise above it with reason,  and respect, but to ignore it will always result in addressing everything except the core issue ,.... ourselves. 

by Smokin on 02/19/2009 11:05:25 AM EST

We need to stop living in a society where you can't judge someone of a different race or make a joke without being called a racist. Unfortunately, your opinion will never count when it comes to race, as you are not black.

by nmaks on 02/19/2009 11:33:06 AM EST

like i've been saying in all posts i can find about this. its not the racial humor its the fact that they used a monkey. to me thats like saying the n word. like when you see a swastica on the door of an indian restaurant... but if you saw that sign would you go there? even though its their good luck charm... would you go to a place with an anti- jewish symbol on it?

by jdiabla on 02/19/2009 11:49:46 AM EST

Anyone who cannot at least see the racial undertone of that cartoon is in self denial. Period.

 And for those who refuse to see it... fine. How about this.

What if they had substituted the chimp for Pelosi and Reid; which is essentially their argument... is that okay; to suggest it's alright to shoot them?

 I think not.

by RoddyBoy on 02/19/2009 12:06:05 PM EST

if racists were rational in their beliefs and could be convinced they were wrong with logic.  The problem is that racism is by its very nature an irrational belief.

 As far as the "it's a joke" defense some are giving for it, I am willing to excuse a little bigotry for the purpose of comedy.  It's important not to take ourselves so seriously.  The problem with this defense is that the "joke" isn't funny at all, not in an "I'm offended" way, but in a just plain old not fucking funny way.  Plus, with the defense the cartoonist gave that it wasn't talking about Obama (his words were something to the effect that if it were about anyone it would be Pelosi, which it isn't) what's the joke?  There's no there there. 

Pretending that cartoon wasn't racist is an insult to the intelligence of clearly thinking people.

"The eyelid is a joke"

by richardshort2001 on 02/19/2009 12:50:51 PM EST

Maybe the NY Post made a decision to play the Race Card so to speak. Ana mentioned the timing the other night and I think she made a good point. She then comtinued on to say that the rapper 50cent,  half-dollar if you're a Young Turk over 50 years old, looks like a Monkey.Now this is something that many African-Americans woul d lose their minds over and say "Down with TYT". Yet being a longtime listener and a member, I never thought once that she was being racist. And I'm like, Malcom X Black. She's about 15 years old, and may have never been exposed to some of the history surrounding whites, jim crow, blacks and monkeys. Besides, 50cent does have that little ape look working. 
Ana, BOLO, 50's coming for ya!! :)
Cenk is right, let's talk, learn and grow.  

by lionela3 on 02/21/2009 06:13:02 AM EST

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race relations was on display when Dr. Michael Dyson went on HARDBALL last week to discuss Eric Holder calling us a "nation of cowards."  Rather than talk race relations, Buchanan resorts to name calling
and proves that he has learned nothing since during the campaign when he made the ignorant statement that the only reason Gen. Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama was because he is African-American.

by gatekeeper50 on 02/22/2009 11:20:20 PM EST

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