03/01/2009 09:40:04 PM EST

Mission Accomplished In Iraq?

posted by KenTX

Harry Reid surrendered in Iraq.

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Mission Accomplished In Iraq? | 18 comments (18 topical, 0 hidden)
Yawn (none / 0)
So, just exactly why did we invade Iraq?

"People who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them." LL

by Robrob on 03/02/2009 12:27:30 AM EST

the world hate us b/c we ridiculed them (none / 1)

they complain and whine about spending money to help American with health care, pay mortgage, education, everything except when it comes to invading other country or building up nuclear arsenal which we should hope we'll never need. 

We see first hand how expensive it is to go to war against an enemy no where near our capability like Iraq and Afghanistan and yet instead of being diplomatic with the whole world, the religious nuts keep treating Israel like a spoiled child and risk alienating at least half of the Muslim world.  American world attitude has been idiotic from what i see for at least the last 50 years.  We're readily too eager to hate ideas like communism, socialism, Muslim because time after time politicians use them to invoke fear within the American people to make themselves look like heroes as they paint hateful colors to these ideas when in fact we should disagree with these idea but also respect their differences.  To this day we still use socialism and communism as words of insult in America.  How do we expect to have any kind of diplomatic relations with with countries like China and Russia when we ridicule their national sovereignty which was why it took them many many years to not aim their weapon at us and let us shake their hands.  What is it that America really want to do? That we should confront everyone nation to be a democracy like us and risk a nuclear war like we have already done with Russia? Will people look at us as a friend when we invade their country with false justification? I think not.  Instead of embracing the world, we as American build up military arsenal and hold the world hostage while we laugh at other ideas that aren't in line with ours.  Had Americans been honest to the Iraqee people in the first place, had we stood up and apologize to them that we made a mistake in invading their country and that the right thing for us to have done was to hand over Saddam to the international tribunal for crime against humanity then pull out of Iraq and leave the country for the Iraqee people to decide their own fate we would have been able to feel a little better sleeping at  night instead of carrying home thousands of American corpses from Iraq and throwing away billions of dollars into this war each day while the citizens of Iraq suffer and companies like Haliburton profit off of hard working tax payers.

  If another country falsely claim that America conspire to attack them and come in to invade us, I or any American that love this country would bomb them too if they come into my house.  Though i have a brother that served in Iraq for 12 months last year I was thankful that he wasn't harmed and that he didn't have to hurt any Iraqee while he was there. But if you have any sense of honesty, you should know we have no business being there in Iraq.

by Lnn7 on 03/02/2009 01:34:03 AM EST

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Why? (none / 0)
To make an example out of Saddam.

by KenTX on 03/02/2009 04:45:33 AM EST

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Facetious? (none / 0)
I really, really, REALLY hope you're being facetious Ken because any family members of a fallen soldier hearing that reason would probably be pretty unhappy that their son or daughter gave their life simply to make an example out of a dictator.

I will assume you were being facetious, but if you weren't, the counterargument I'd have to postulate would be that I don't think any individual who had the potential to overthrow his/her country in order to install a dictatorship/junta/etc. would reconsider now that Saddam has been made an example of.

Also, I'm sure most existing dictatorships realise that America's hands are full, and probably could not start another war just because a dictator was behaving badly. Take for example, Kim Jung Il.  He's recklessly pursuing a nuclear weapons delivery program without any noticable concern about American intervention.

by DaeguBill on 03/02/2009 09:59:41 AM EST

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I will give you a better example. (none / 0)
His name was Slobidan Milosevic. Can you imagine trying to explain to the parents of a fallen soldier why we went to war against that guy? Then compare the hypothetical with Saddam Hussein.

by KenTX on 03/02/2009 11:49:56 AM EST

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How many soldiers died in combat getting Slobidan? (none / 0)
...

"The eyelid is a joke"

by richardshort2001 on 03/02/2009 12:39:43 PM EST

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See that's the thing (none / 0)
Even ignoring the lying to get us to war stuff, if Bush were simply competent enough to win the damn thing and bring a majority of troops home, McCain would be President right now and practically no one would be talking about Iraq.

"The eyelid is a joke"

by richardshort2001 on 03/02/2009 12:43:05 PM EST

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How old are you? (none / 0)
"Can you imagine trying to explain to the parents of a fallen soldier why we went to war against that guy?"
 
Please tell me how many American lives were lost stopping genocide in Bosnia.

Compared to 4,000+ lost stopping, uh, just what exactly in Iraq?

"People who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them." LL

by Robrob on 03/02/2009 01:53:45 PM EST

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What Exactly is Your Point? (none / 0)
An actual war in the Balkans was going on with proven ethnic cleansing when the US and its European allies intervened. The US set very specific goals, defined a mission, and handled it well, not losing any US personnel during military operations.

By contrast the US went into Iraq with little support, had no defined mission or plan, thus has had to alter it's operations on multiple occasions over the years, and has spent over a trillion dollars, and lost thousands of personnel.
So what is your point?

By the way show me a link where Pelosis tried surrendering in Iraq.

Show me a link where Gates declared victory.

It's not that I don't trust your right-wing talking points, but since most of them prove to be full of crap, lets see some research, and proof of your claims.

by jrolsen on 03/02/2009 01:54:49 PM EST

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IOKIYR? (none / 0)
"No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it."

"Why should one U.S. airman give up his life when our national security is not in imminent danger?"

"Congressman Moran, a couple of things that are in my mind. Number one is the president has really failed to lay out before the American people the reasons why we need to be involved militarily. That's number one.
And then we go back to Henry Kissinger's test, which is number one, is there a vital U.S. national interest? And do we have a plan to disengage? What's the exit strategy? I don't see that we've met that test either. And why does it have to happen this second, this hour? Why don't we have a national debate first?"

"But you know what? There's a lot of massacres going on in the world. As you know, 37,000 Kurds in Turkey, over a million people in Sudan. We have hundreds of thousands in Rwanda and Burundi. I mean, where do we stop?"

"And we are having a president compare this to Adolf Hitler. Granted, 2,000 in a year is disgusting, despicable, if we can stop it. But let's arm the Kosovo Liberation Army instead of putting U.S. troops in harm's way."

"All right, Lucian Truscott, aren't you being disingenuous? Every day now with the president and vice president this Hitler analogy. You know what? That's all propaganda. That's misinformation.

Now, I'm not minimizing the fact that 2,000 lives have been lost in the last year. But you can't make the comparison in terms of the raw numbers and the brutality of Hitler to Milosevic. Is that not correct, Lucian?"

"So they are looking at America, the United States -- we've seen the instances of flags being burned and so on. We are their enemy, you're saying, in the people's minds, and they support him."

"But if you know - every mistake we've made up to this point, there's no stated goal. There's no definition of success. All these important things. There's no exit strategy. One mistake after another. Why would you go in deeper when we have not been successful up to this point? That seems to me to be folly."

"Senator, let me ask this, here, because by all objective analysis and accounts -- we're going to have Colonel Hackworth out here in mere moments, right after the interview that we have with you here tonight -- this mission is failing."

"Slobodan Milosevic is a bad guy. He's an evil man. Horrible things are happening. I agree with that. Is Bill O'Reilly then saying we go to Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia, Sudan? Where does this stop? And when you look at sheer numbers, 2,000 -- and I'm not minimizing death. It's horrible. What this man is doing with ethnic cleansing is abhorrent, but sheer numbers -- 2,000 killed in the last year versus hundreds of thousands, millions in some cases in other parts of the world. Are you saying the United States should go to all those places?"

(All from Sean Hannity re: Bosnia)

"People who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them." LL

by Robrob on 03/02/2009 02:17:30 PM EST

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jrolsen that about covers it (none / 0)
comments after yours  are unnecessary in making the point.  

NEXT!

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 03/02/2009 08:02:57 PM EST

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Cenk's mancrush calls Iraq a success. (none / 0)
Jelly Roll asks: "Show me a link where Gates declared victory."
Barack Obama’s Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, was interviewed on Meet The Press.

“From the standpoint of the military mission, we have enjoyed significant success.”

“When we pull out, if Iraq is basically stable, if the level of violence remains at the low level we have now, if they have had national elections, if they are an ally of the United States. I would call that a substantial success.”

by KenTX on 03/05/2009 11:17:47 PM EST

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Wow (none / 0)

I do not think I have seen the word if used that many times (other then in a computer program) in a long time.

I'm guessing chemistry majors don't have to take any classes that involve the word logic.

by z1p101 on 03/05/2009 11:50:06 PM EST

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Zippy, have another drink. (none / 0)
Read the post tomorrow, when you have a clear head. It will all make sense then.

by KenTX on 03/06/2009 12:00:38 AM EST

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Thank you Kenny (none / 0)

I will do that.

When it is time for you to write that check to the IRS and you are thinking to yourself, "if I was not such a stupid lemming, if I didn't blindly support my party no matter what they did, then this would not be happening to me". 

That will make you think of the power of the word "if".

by z1p101 on 03/06/2009 12:20:35 AM EST

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Yeah Haliburton had a record year... (none / 0)

 

 

 

My new policy is to make short succinct comments on blogs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 03/02/2009 07:34:39 PM EST

Im all for that (none / 0)

A picture is worth  a thousand troll words

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 03/02/2009 08:00:48 PM EST

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by ali3333eg on 03/09/2009 02:56:43 PM EST

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