03/24/2009 09:58:54 AM EST

Ron Paul a decent person on the other side.

posted by Mickey Itchi

Cenk you said you just want to talk to a decent person on the other side. Then quit ignoring Ron Paul. No silly politics when talking to Ron Paul. He just wants to offer us a government based on our Constitution. Help all of us do the research.

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Ron Paul a decent person on the other side. | 26 comments (26 topical, 0 hidden)
It would help if he was rational (5.00 / 2)

You have to be insane to believe that the fundamental assumptions of libertarian economic philosophy can be true in this universe.

1) Consumers do not always act in their own best interests.

2) Consumers cannot have perfect knowledge of the market.

3) Businesses do not act responsibly when unregulated.

Ron Paul sincerely believes that the opposites of those three facts are true, and have we not just spent eight years learning that believing things that are false can get you into trouble?  Besides, Ron Paul holds one fundamental idea in common with Republicans: Community is a bad thing.  Their fundamental purpose is to destroy the ability of a community to act as a whole for the benefit of its members.

Neither Ron Paul nor any other Republican deserves our respect.

by EveningStarNM on 03/24/2009 09:39:59 PM EST

"Ron Paul sincerely believes..." (none / 1)

Unless you link to a statement Ron Paul has made your unfounded claims have zero credibility. Do the research if you want to help in the search for the answers we desperately need. Posting opinions without supporting research reduces blogging to "rubbing one out" to make yourself feel good. Not that there is anything wrong with that sport but I don't need to be part  of yours. For I like Cosmos Kramer am master of my domain.

by Mickey Itchi on 03/26/2009 10:44:17 AM EST

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Just because you haven't been paying attention... (5.00 / 2)

...doesn't mean that I should correct you.  Do you know what a libertarian economic system is?  (My senior project was to program simulations for an economics doctoral candidate who was studying libertarian economic systems -- all of which failed dramatically, drowning their societies in poverty and, quite often, war.  I got an A, he got his doctorate.)

If you call yourself a libertarian then you MUST, by definition, believe those three things.  If you don't then you aren't a libertarian.  If you persist in calling yourself a libertarian without believing those things then you know what you're talking about even less than a libertarian does.

So, as a "master of your domain", why don't you tell us what your so-called domain is? It certainly isn't libertarianism, because you obviously don't understand it.

by EveningStarNM on 03/26/2009 07:08:28 PM EST

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You have to be insane: unchain your mind (none / 1)

Libertarian economic philosophy.

JUDGE NAPOLITANO FREEDOM WATCH 6 of 6 25th March

by Mickey Itchi on 03/26/2009 12:38:01 PM EST

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Hmmm... (5.00 / 2)

Was there supposed to be some meaning in that post?  Perhaps you simply forgot to include it.

by EveningStarNM on 03/26/2009 07:10:13 PM EST

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Mark Hanes rant was awsome. (none / 1)
"They took the money home." We need to claw it "all" back and put these unpatriotic people in jail. First we need to start using a more descriptive term for these crooks. I like "financial enemy combatant".  They are are waging economic war and destroying the country way more effectively than al qaeda.

by Mickey Itchi on 03/24/2009 10:30:20 AM EST

What is so awsome about (none / 0)
being pissed  the WHOLE COUNTRY IS PISSED

Now if he came up with a viable plan to help us get out of this mess

I would be impressed.

Ron Paul is anti goverment

That is definitely not the right way to go at this time in history.

And stop parroting this gov based on the constitution bull shit. The conservatives have been saying that for years. Look where it got us.


by Chinese Democracy on 03/24/2009 11:21:14 AM EST

I think you are being too dismissive.... (none / 0)
Ron Paul is very different from most republicans because I can actually believe what he says. He's taken stances that are very unpopular among his party and it's clear to anyone that has followed him for a while that he believes what he does because he thinks it will be beneficial to the American people. Whether or not he is right on specific issues or not is another subject but he is definitely a rational person who would bring another point of view to the table. And that's what Cenk said he wanted. A lot of republicans claim to be clinging to the constitution but few are. Their words and deeds don't match. Of course Ron Paul is far from perfect but he does a much better job of matching words to actions. So you shouldn't just dismiss him because he says he sticks to the constitution and you've heard that line used a thousand times before.

by 0f course on 03/24/2009 02:54:58 PM EST

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he doesnt lie... and? (none / 0)
He is a libertarian  

I understand his views

Of course Im being dismissive

He wants to deregulate everything

He thinks public parks are socialism

He thinks the gov has no place

I really dont care what he thinks is beneficial any more than I would care what Tom Delay thinks is beneficial.

What does sticking to the constitution even mean?

Its a ridiculous on its face.

I dont find his views rational at all


by Chinese Democracy on 03/24/2009 03:04:20 PM EST

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Say what? (none / 1)

"I understand his views...

What does sticking to the constitution even mean?"

 Contradictory statement leads one to believe you do not understand Ron Paul's views.

Please Cenk help us out. Until then go here.


 

by Mickey Itchi on 03/24/2009 03:53:54 PM EST

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explain what (none / 1)
sticking  to the constitution means


by Chinese Democracy on 03/25/2009 02:31:39 PM EST

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And.... (none / 0)
Not lying is a great quality especially in a politician and almost unheard of in a Republican. He doesn't believe in no government, he believes in small government and yes he believes no regulation and I'm not saying I agree with his views but he at least explains how he thinks he could make small government and less regulation work as opposed to just repeating those two phrases over and over with nothing to back it up. There's no point in having a debate with a republican who you agree with, it kind of defeats the point of debate.

by 0f course on 03/24/2009 04:07:21 PM EST

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Im not adverse to (none / 0)
Cenk having him on as a guest.Ive seen him before. I personally dont think he has anything new to say.

Oh he is anti government..for example

"yes he believes no regulation"

That sounds anti gov to me.

Someone like him in the white house now would be a catastrophe


by Chinese Democracy on 03/25/2009 07:51:47 PM EST

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all one has to do (none / 1)
is resd a few of your other posts to see that your endorsement of Ron Paul proves he is not a good choice.

 


by Chinese Democracy on 03/25/2009 02:28:32 PM EST

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Crackers welcome. (none / 1)

Cenk's Mark Hanes rant was awesome because it help explained the total scam being perpetrated on this country by Wall Street and it's public relation firm; CNBC. It was simple and direct enough so even a bird brain could get it.You will never hear this rant on msnbc. Ed Schultz does not have the passion the young turks display. Roll Cenk roll.
The statement "Ron Paul is anti government" is your opinion not an empirical fact and I disagree. Being for a constitutional based government is not anti government it's pro individual. My opinion is a limited federal government is the way to go. Saying we need a constitutional based government wont do anything. It has to be implemented for it to work. Neither the Republican or Democratic party wants to follow the Constitution. It would choke off their power and cash flow. Now, I can't say definitely because I have made mistakes before and likely will again. That is why I'm here for another viewpoint. I like to decide for myself after weighing all known options.
G N' R suck: not an empirical fact only my opinion but my heart is true. 322/400

by Mickey Itchi on 03/24/2009 03:34:38 PM EST

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no it is an emperical fact (none / 0)
the fact that you dont know that does not instill confidence in your argument.


by Chinese Democracy on 03/25/2009 02:29:51 PM EST

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Don't believe a fuckin word I say. (none / 1)
I do not post here to to win your confidence or any argument. I want you to question every word I post. I want you to think of my posts as a search for the truth and not an argument to be won or lost. For most of our lives the corporate controlled mainstream media has warped how we think about the most important issues that impact our very survival. We have much work to do to free our minds from the chains that limit what we think. We all need to do the basic in depth research necessary to fully understand these knotty issues; sparing opinions do not count. If you are really interested in Dr. Paul's approach to the economy read his many articles posted on this site. Again, do not believe what I say about them. I could have a hidden agenda and be lying to manipulate how you think. All opinions are not equal. To judge them properly is a difficult and never ending search. Once you think you know the Truth the chains will blind you once again. We owe it to those that follow to do our best. Why else are we here? Oh! wait, it might be because Ana is soooo hot!!

by Mickey Itchi on 03/26/2009 09:22:44 AM EST

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I like old Ron Paul except (none / 0)
He felt that Bush's environmental and consumer safety restraints were excessive, as was his heavy regulation of the financial and business sectors.

by bfaul on 03/24/2009 02:25:28 PM EST

Again... (none / 0)
I am truly quite interested in hearing what Ron Paul has to say. I've seen a few of his clips on C-SPAN, as well as during the Republican primaries, where he seemed to be the only Republican candidate making sense. He does have his flaws, but I believe he's a good man, and his heart's in the right place.

I'm sure Cenk sees this too. However, pleading with Cenk to bring on Ron Paul is a little naive. You think TYT hasn't tried to get him on? I've mentioned this on a post before: Ana tried to get him as a guest speaker on the show last year during the election and was basically ignored. Cenk and the gang book what guests want to come on the show. They can't force Dr. Paul to come on the show if he doesn't want to. Have you tried writing to Ron Paul and asking him to contact TYT to get on the show instead? If he were to show any interest, I don't think Cenk would hesitate to get him on as a guest.

by berkinix on 03/24/2009 05:05:11 PM EST

Thank you , thank you very much. (none / 0)
I did not know that. I'll see what I can do. Cenk did hit him very hard  on the race issue on a personal level during the election. His crew might be protecting him. He has been doing more phone interviews recently. We can try.

by Mickey Itchi on 03/24/2009 06:01:18 PM EST

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Rachel will help us get Ron Paul on TYT (none / 0)

berkinix, I just got off the phone with Rachel, congressman Ron Paul's public relations person in DC. She told me Ana just needs to call her at the DC office to set up a phone interview. Rachel is even a TYT member. (202) 225-2831

 http://www.house.gov/ paul/index.shtml

 

by Mickey Itchi on 03/25/2009 12:39:02 PM EST

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Ron Paul on thursday's show. (none / 0)

Ana and Rachel set the interview up tentatively for Thursday. Thursday is dependent on Dr. Paul's schedule but it sounds like it will happen. berkinix thanks again for your help.

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by Mickey Itchi on 03/25/2009 07:04:47 PM EST

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I just watched the interview... (none / 0)
And it was too short! I wanted Dr. Paul to keep talking. I wish they could do interviews for two-segments. Cenk's right; there are things about Dr. Paul that I disagree with, but on the whole Fed business, I back him up 100%. Anyone who's actually read up on the Federal Reserve would, I believe. It was an awesome interview. I heard Anna thank you on air, but let me do so also right here: Thanks for helping TYT get Dr. Paul on the air.

by berkinix on 03/27/2009 03:39:11 AM EST

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We both should feel lucky we could help. Thanks (none / 0)

by Mickey Itchi on 03/27/2009 08:46:27 AM EST

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Ron Paul smells! (none / 0)
He is old news

by Perry on 03/24/2009 06:49:10 PM EST

Perry, if you can smell Ron Paul (none / 0)
You have not lost all your sense, as I previously thought.

by Mickey Itchi on 03/25/2009 12:53:43 PM EST

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