Cenk's 'Shared Sacrifice' Tax Plan (W/ Poll)

Cenk's Shared Sacrifice Tax Plan

1. The plan goes from 2010-2015.

2. Taxes on people making 250k to 1mil go up 5%.

3. Taxes on people making 1mil-10mil go up 10%.

4. Taxes on people making over 10mil go up 15%.

What do I think about this plan? I agree with Robert Borsage, the plan is much better than doing nothing, but it doesn't go far enough and it should be permanent.

There are two critical points to keep in perspective when evaluating any tax proposal:

1. What is the Top Marginal Tax Rate?

The TMTR is the highest amount of taxes paid only on money made after a certain cap. For example, under Republican president Eisenhower, the top marginal tax rate was 91%.

That means that in today's dollars, people making over about 3 million a year would be taxed at lower rates (the rates that applied to everyone else making less) for their first 3 million, and 91% on every dollar made AFTER that.

This is a critical point, because far too many people think that the top marginal rate applies to every dollar someone makes, i.e. a 91% rate means that someone making 3 million a year ends up with $273,000. If that was in fact the case, then yes, obviously that tax rate would be insane and make no sense whatsoever.

2. What Do Income Tax Rates Look Like Historically?

As you saw above, income tax rates have generally been significantly higher in the past, even under Republican presidents.

Here is a nice chart showing the top marginal tax rates over time. Matthew Iglesias of Think Progress brilliantly makes the following observation:
 
"And yes, please pay no attention to the fact that the three periods of ultra-low taxes were followed by a budget crisis (Reagan) and catastrophic global economic collapse (Coolidge-Hoover, Bush)."

Yes, the Great Depression was directly preceded by 5 consecutive tax cuts. And yes, the S & L debacle and other issues were preceded by the largest tax cut in history after Reagan cut the top marginal rate from 70% to 28% (he was also responsible for the largest tax increase in history i.e. he doubled the payroll tax that whacks middle class folks). 

And most of us are already familiar with what just happened under Bush Jr.

So What Does This Mean Today?

Our current income tax rates are still incredibly low by historical standards, even after Obama's tiny increase of the top marginal rate from 35% to 39.6% (what it was under Clinton).

Some argue that the 90's are a great template for what the marginal tax rate should be as we had a balanced budget and good growth, and while that's true to some extent, it ignores some important facts. Like the fact that Clinton added a good chunk of change to the National Debt (far less than Reagan or Bush, but still, and yes, he lowered it as a % of GDP). 

There's also the fact that we don't have a tech bubble tech boom every decade.

At any rate, conservative arguments that high top marginal rates destroy the economy have been debunked by history, as explained by Larry Beinhart:

The four period of greatest economic growth in American history, by pretty much any measure, are:

· World War II (1941-45): top tax rate varied from 88-94%

· Post-war under Truman and Eisenhower: top rate bounced around from 81-92%

· Clinton years: Clinton raised Bush's top rate of 31% to 37% and then to 39%

· First two Roosevelt Administrations (1933-40). When Roosevelt came into office, Hoover had already raised the tax rate in 1932 from 25% to 63%. Roosevelt raised it again in 1936 to 79%.

We're in Iraq and Afghanistan, we're trying to seriously improve health care and get off of foreign oil and we're climbing out of economic disaster. I'd like to think that the wars and economic disaster will eventually go away, but that still leaves us with a massive debt and possibly health care for all and dramatic changes in how we get our energy.

Not to mention our crumbling infrastructure that we're barely addressing. It's quite clear to me that permanently increasing the top marginal tax rate is part of the answer. As a compromise I'd even say going to 50% would be a huge step forward, keeping in mind it's over 20% less than what it was from Kennedy-Reagan, and over 40% less than it was under Republican Eisenhower.

Also, here's a really interesting (and short) article on why a STET (tax) for Wall Street is a great idea.

The Bottom Line

Low tax rates on the rich coupled with deregulation encouraged crazy speculation at the Wall Street Casino.
 
As Cenk often says, these people have so much money they don't know what to do with it! And while sensible rules for Wall Street are an important part of the equation, we can't ignore the other half, which is a return to more historically proven tax rates.

Do we get crazy growth (90% of which only benefits the top 1-10% of Americans BTW)? No. We get slow, steady growth minus the booms, busts and economic disasters. We can repeat tired clichés about Laffer curves and the rich creating jobs, or we can look at history and cut out the nonsense.

I'll leave you with this devastating quote from a great NY Times piece:

"...From 1980 to 2005 the national economy, adjusted for inflation, more than doubled. (Because of population growth, the actual increase per capita was about 66 percent.) But the average income for the vast majority of Americans actually declined during that period. The standard of living for the average family has improved not because incomes have grown, but because women have gone into the workplace in droves.

The peak income year for the bottom 90 percent of Americans was way back in 1973 — when the average income per taxpayer (adjusted for inflation) was $33,001. That is nearly $4,000 higher than the average in 2005.

It’s incredible but true: 90 percent of the population missed out on the income gains during that long period..."
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Poll

Rate Cenk's Tax Plan
It Doesn't Go Far Enough, Taxes Should Be Higher 0%
It Doesn't Go Far Enough, Tax Increases Should Be Permanent 14%
It Doesn't Go Far Enough, Taxes Should Be Higher & Permanent 25%
It Goes Too Far, Taxes Are Already Too High 25%
It Goes Too Far, Taxes Should Be Raised But Not That Much 0%
It Goes Too Far, Taxes Should Be Raised But Not For 5 Years 3%
It's Perfect! 32%

Votes: 28
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charitable contributions go down.  Charity organizations will lose billions. The only thing to do is lower taxes especially on the wealthy.

Im playing the part of the conservative echoing the new talking point.

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 03/26/2009 04:19:45 PM EST

Granted, my post didn't even mention this, but since you brought it up, there was a nice debunking of it here.

by ihavenobias on 03/26/2009 04:25:19 PM EST

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good link

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 03/26/2009 04:27:25 PM EST

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By the way, I just added another option to the poll, which is that Cenk's plan is perfect.

I can't believe I forgot to include that option, I only had "goes too far" and "not far enough".

by ihavenobias on 03/26/2009 04:30:34 PM EST

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Is that if you don't file a Schedule A and you take the standard deduction, people can't deduct Charitable Contributions.  To me it's not a big deal because I give money every year for the good it does to the organizations and colleges and not the tax deduction and most groups probably wouldn't even qualify (tyt for example), but hey it would be nice for us non-home owning slums to have more of an incentive to give to groups that need the money.

Maybe I should just get a home mortgage that I can't afford so I could have a voice in the country and qualify for some new programs. Yeah f' the renters, those lousy scumbags!  I'm still waiting for this renter/window insulation program because I'm sick of putting my head under the covers when sleeping and if I move my bed away from the window all my feng shui gets all screwed up.

by rev24 on 03/26/2009 05:01:32 PM EST

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Renters do get screwed, I agree.

PS---Please tell me you're not the one who voted that Cenk's plan "goes too far".

by ihavenobias on 03/26/2009 05:08:43 PM EST

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Yesterday I was trying to get work done during Cenk's big presentation so I'd like to look into the numbers more as well as the links you've posted before I vote.

Geez, I didn't even go off on not being able to write off eligible medical and dental expenses if you don't file a Schedule A.   As you probably know, why I link the Schedule to homeowners is because when someone has a mortgage this is the reason why they will often take the itemized deductions so that they can write off the interest.  In my mind the whole tax code is *ss backwards for hardworking Americans and I have little faith that Obama will change this.

Another important thing to take not of is the Estate Tax provisions for the next 3 years.  For 2009, if your estate's worth over 3.5 million, you will have to pay estate taxes, however, in 2010 there are no taxes at all for everyone (if nothing changes), and in 2011 it goes up to the 1 million dollar exclusion.  It will be real interesting to see what Obama does here, because that's an awful lot of money that is going to be lost in 2010 and future years.  

by rev24 on 03/26/2009 05:44:03 PM EST

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It woulda been funny if you'd replied simply "I like to think before I vote".

But yeah, the Estate Tax is important too.

by ihavenobias on 03/26/2009 05:48:45 PM EST

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Now that several others have voted for option "it goes too far, taxes are already too high" I realize the problem.

Ron Paul is coming on the show tonight, so the Ron Paul Internet Army(TM) is out in full effect and the results will be skewed as a result.

by ihavenobias on 03/26/2009 05:34:02 PM EST

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So, who is going to pay for this mess?

I guess people should have thought about that before running up massive debt. Once that happens, you have pretty much given up your say in the matter.

The truth be told, most modern inventions are a result of government funding and the ability to share the collective knowledge. In addition, most health ailments and cures are a byproduct of mans collective activity.
 
Our massive military expenditures are not a result of defending the country and the many, but rather a result of protecting the imperialistic desires of the few. Taxes should be based on wealth. Those with the greatest ownership and influence have the most to lose and gain, as well as have done the most damage.
It’s time to pay up.

by sisco66 on 03/26/2009 05:52:15 PM EST

I forgot to mention the Capital Gains tax which used to be much higher than it is today.

Obama's proposal to increase it by 5% to 20% is met with frantic cries of socialism and whatever other pejorative words you can think of, despite the fact that 20% is much lower than it was under the beloved (by the right) Ronald Reagan who had effectively raised it from 20 to 28% for the top income earners.

Apparently Eisenhower (and to a lesser extent Reagan, see payroll/capital gains tax) were socialists too.

by ihavenobias on 03/26/2009 06:03:30 PM EST

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I say we extend the 0% capital gains tax for those in the 15% income tax bracket to those making under $100K. After 100K, I authorize ihavenobias to move it back to the 20% tax.

Call me a fool, but I'm hoping on making some money on these flailing companies.  Just doing my part to spread that Obama hope in reviving our economy!

by rev24 on 03/26/2009 06:49:40 PM EST

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And while we're at it, let's include a flat tax in our system since cons and libertarians love it so much.

Of course I'm referring to eliminating the cap on the payroll tax (currently under 100k or so). You want to fix social security in a pinch, do that and you can even cut the tax % in half to what it was prior to Reagan's doubling of it.

That way Bill Gates can pay the same percentage of his income on it as you and I do.

by ihavenobias on 03/26/2009 07:03:09 PM EST

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If you have your money in a Roth IRA you never pay capital gains taxes. If it is in a 401k or other similar retirement account, it is tax deferred and treated as income when you retire. More than likely, you are not paying more than 20% now, and won’t be then.  


This is the biggest straw man argument that the right wing thieves have. The reason our 401ks and Roth IRA’s got wiped out is because of the low tax rates on capital gains, dividends and hedge funds. We don’t need to promote that type of investor at the expense of our retirement accounts and federal budget.

by sisco66 on 03/26/2009 09:13:43 PM EST

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They make so many tax arguments by suggesting that the middle class will be hit hard, when in fact (more often than not) THEY'LL be effected, and marginally at that.

Kind of like how they pretend all of these small farms get screwed by the Estate Tax.

by ihavenobias on 03/26/2009 09:23:36 PM EST

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The Clinton surplus that Bush took over was all social security money, yet he used to give a massive tax break to people who don't pay or pay very little social security tax. Just another huge point that our media completely covered up.  

Ya, inheritance (death tax) is another one. If you do any estate planning most of it can be avoided for the majority of tax payers.

Of course, most of the arguments and fear tactics the right wing nuts use are in fact the opposite of what is said, if not completely meaningless all together. My favorite is the complete disconnect between supporting a huge military and actually having to pay for it.

by sisco66 on 03/27/2009 07:20:55 AM EST

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like cutting taxes during a time of war?

by ihavenobias on 03/29/2009 08:44:09 PM EST

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How hard would it have been to tell the chest pumping flag wave morons that if that supporting the troops means paying for the war?

That the dems own fault for not framing the argument. Of course the media is always happy to frame every argument from the right wing perspective, with no supporting facts or context.

by sisco66 on 03/29/2009 09:19:37 PM EST

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The Dems failed miserably in framing the issue!

by ihavenobias on 03/30/2009 01:03:41 PM EST

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...the right is trying to dump the wars on Obama. Just like Serbia with Clinton, now they want to oppose the war in Afg.

I hate it all.

by sisco66 on 03/30/2009 06:43:41 PM EST

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They really the party of no.

by ihavenobias on 03/31/2009 08:44:58 PM EST

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factors in regards to having a high top marginal tax rate is that it keeps the CEO-to-average-worker ratio down. Gone would be the days when CEOs and other higher ups walk away with hundreds of millions of dollars in annual compensation. They still get to be high falootin' rich guys (and gals) but they have to do so on a mere 10 million dollars a year.

That money is then either re-invested in the company, which grows and supports the economy, or it gets spent on employees in the form of wages or benefits, which also grows and supports the economy. Rich people getting richer is the worst possible way to grow the economy.  Middle class workers being healthy, spending money and sharing in the nation's productivity gains is how to sustain a vibrant economy.

If such sensible tax policies were ever (re)enacted we would hear a near-deafening squeal across the land from the distant ivory towers of the privelaged class but it would be music to the ears of the 95% of the rest of us. And after a few years we'd still have our precious rich to be proud of, but more importantly we might be able to give our children better lives than the one our generation is likely to live. That's something, also, to be proud of.

by Badass4Peace on 03/26/2009 07:06:15 PM EST

After the fear mongering and bullshit died down the smoke would clear and all of the nonsensical arguments would melt away in light of reality.

by ihavenobias on 03/26/2009 07:12:43 PM EST

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Cenk's plan is overly detailed for no reason.  He doesn't know how much money this would raise or what the effects would be on the economy. 

I mean, god bless, I am in favor of raising the top marginal tax rates as well.   But I feel no need to specify my preference more than that because I don't know how much more tax revenue each extra percentage of marginal tax rates would create. 

Also, I tend to agree with the guest from yesterday.  Let's leave worrying about the debt until after recession is over.  I would be more in favor of this plan if it started in 2011 or 2012.  Cenk has never said he doesn't believe in Keynesian economics, but I guess I should wait until after the Ron Paul interview today. 

by publius on 03/26/2009 08:13:03 PM EST

I thought it was pretty bare bones, and I don't say that in a bad way. It's just a temporary increase for the top tax brackets.

by ihavenobias on 03/26/2009 11:00:46 PM EST

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Yes overly detailed.  The point of putting actual numbers on a proposal like this would be to calculate how much revenue you would raise theoretically.  Or to make it sound neat with the 5-5-5 thing.  Okay, it sounds catchy, I guess that's the whole point. 

Anyway, raising taxes this much during a recession is crazier than Ron Paul.  We can't implement Obama's agenda, stimulate or way out of the depression, and balance the budget all at the same time.  Can't play with it.  Can't win with it.  Can't do it.

I consider myself a fiscal conservative.  Just like Cenk I used to be a Republican until they went crazy.  But we've got to stop hemming and hawing over running deficits right now.

by publius on 03/27/2009 02:46:41 PM EST

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We raised taxes during a depression and fought WWII, and ultimately ended up with the greatest period of econmic prosperity for the middle class in this country's history.

Balancing the budget should be our last concern *at this point in time*, even if it makes perfect sense and should be a high priority at other times.

It's not about fiscal conservative or liberal or whatever, it's about history.

by ihavenobias on 03/27/2009 05:09:30 PM EST

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I read your response, and read down below, and I'm confused about where you stand.  The thing that FDR did during the depression, that economists today--such as Ben Bernanke--give him credit for, is deficit spending.  As you mention below when FDR backed off, listened to Republicans of the day, and tried to balance the budget by raising taxes, the economy softened again in 1937.

My whole point has been that we should put off tax cuts for now. 

by publius on 03/28/2009 12:37:42 PM EST

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Yes he raised taxes, and obviously the Republicans back then HATED tax increases! Their big plan as always was cutting everything. I agree that raising taxes and doing nothing else would be very stupid. But that's not what happened.

Taxes were raised AND spending decreased, the same spending that was lifting the economy up and reducing unemployment significantly. That was my point earlier, the last thing we need to worry about *right now* is balancing the budget. That mentality is what delayed us in 1931-1938, trying to appease R's and "centrists" by focusing too much on balancing the books.

PS---Never forget that the Great Depression was directly preceded by 5 consecutive tax cuts (and 3 Republican Presidents promoting Deregulation---Harding, Coolidge & Hoover).

And it led to (surprise)

by ihavenobias on 03/28/2009 12:56:47 PM EST

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your assuming that those income groups care enough about the USA to pay.

They don't. I suspect this would be true regardless of how the money has been, or would be, spent.

Human nature, being what it is, tells me that the wealthy would prefer increase their wealth with out having to pay taxes rather than dig deep and save the Republic.

Since Reagan( before actually) conservatives and like minded economists have hammed away at the specter  oftaxes and the so called "global economy. " If you tax too much the wealthy will leave and take there money with them" and so forth.

All things being equal, that would be true.  Particularly if your place of residence was purely based on economic issues. Like labor and manufacturing, people would always chose  low cost country.

Things aren't equal.  There are plenty of countries on this earth that have ultra low taxes and no government to speak of. You have the economic and personal freedom to do what you want...as long as your security force has tactical superiority in what ever area you happen to be in and your inoculations are up to date ...and you bring plenty of food...ammo...oh yeah a water purification plant...mosquito net.

You get the idea. Unfortunately, the wealthy do not.



"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 03/27/2009 11:26:14 AM EST

their...I need a proofreader

"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 03/27/2009 11:52:11 AM EST

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Taxes Not Seen as Making the Rich Flee New York
March 19th 20009
NY Times

"...And it has been on the mind of Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, New York City’s richest person, who said in a radio interview, “You can’t tax too much those that can move.”

Yet there is surprisingly little evidence to support the proposition that rich New Yorkers would bolt if forced to pay higher income taxes. Though tracking the movement of wealthy taxpayers from state to state is difficult, experts on public finance and migration say they have yet to document a substantial “rich drain” in states that have raised income taxes in recent years.


“At the level we’re talking about, there’s no quantitative evidence that it affects the mobility decisions of affluent taxpayers,” said Douglas S. Massey, a demographer at Princeton University and president of the American Academy of Political and Social Science...

PS---The GAO repoted that 2/3 of US corporations paid NO taxes from 1998-2005. Yet we STILL lost a record number of jobs during that time. Just something to consider when someone argues that U.S. corporations pay the second highest tax rate in the world and that we lose jobs because of it.

Of course no one seems to think our trade policies have anything to do with it...

by ihavenobias on 03/27/2009 11:54:04 AM EST

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Raising taxes on the wealthy frequently ends up hurting the working class.

by Twba on 03/27/2009 12:08:30 PM EST

Some people actually read it, and they see it was written in 1991, and that it had nothing to do with income taxes.

by ihavenobias on 03/27/2009 12:13:30 PM EST

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That luxury tax on the rich ended up hurting the blue collar workers at the boat yards. The rich were still rich, but the little guys were unemployed.

By the way, Herbert Hoover raised taxes during a recession. How did that work out?

by Twba on 03/27/2009 02:15:53 PM EST

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This has nothing to do with "luxury taxes". FDR raised taxes and spend like crazy during a depression, how did that work out?

(And no, I don't need you to start posting a bunch of bullshit from the Heritage Foundation or other right wing think tanks funded by people who have every interest in keeping things just the way they ar, i.e. more revisionist history about how FDR made the depression worse, etc.).

by ihavenobias on 03/27/2009 02:49:00 PM EST

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FDR raised taxes and spend like crazy during a depression, how did that work out?

Not too well.

by Twba on 03/27/2009 03:42:36 PM EST

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We defeated the Nazis, saved capitalism and began an explosion of the middle class and steady, sustained economic growth for decades to come (with no bubbles and busts).

Funny enough 1937 was a setback, precisely because FDR temporarily accepted some of the ideas of Republicans at the time. Thankfully he cut that nonsense out the following year.

I know that reality doesn't jive with the right wing think tanks, but I guess that's only relevant for those of us in the "reality based community".

by ihavenobias on 03/27/2009 03:46:42 PM EST

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Funny enough 1937 was a setback, precisely because FDR temporarily accepted some of the ideas of Republicans at the time.

Funny enough, that downturn coincided with a tax increase. Oops.

...steady, sustained economic growth for decades to come (with no bubbles and busts).

Have you already forgotten the severe recession of 1947? The post-war period was not as steady as you want to believe.

I know that reality doesn't jive with the right wing think tanks, but I guess that's only relevant for those of us in the "reality based community".

The reality based community needs to familiarize itself with mainstream economic scholarship.

In 1995, economist Robert Whaples of Wake Forest University published a survey of academic economists that asked them if they agreed with the statement, "Taken as a whole, government policies of the New Deal served to lengthen and deepen the Great Depression." Fifty-one percent disagreed, and 49 percent agreed.

The idea that some of FDR's policies prolonged the Great Depression is hardly confined to a few partisan think tanks.

by Twba on 03/27/2009 04:43:12 PM EST

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Link

"...Now, it's true - back in 2004, two UCLA professors published a little-noticed report claiming the New Deal's government intervention prolonged the Great Depression. But that assertion has been subsequently eviscerated by, ya know, actual data...

Here's University of California historian Eric Rauchway:

"...For a start, New Deal intervention saved the banks. During Hoover's presidency, around 20 percent of American banks failed, and, without deposit insurance, one collapse prompted another as savers pulled their money out of the shaky system. When Roosevelt came into office, he ordered the banks closed and audited. A week later, authorities began reopening banks, and deposits returned to vaults.

Congress also established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, which, as economists Milton Friedman and Anna Jacobson Schwartz wrote, was "the structural change most conducive to monetary stability since ... the Civil War." After the creation of the FDIC, bank failures almost entirely disappeared. New Dealers also recapitalized banks by buying about a billion dollars of preferred stock...


The most important thing to know about Roosevelt's economics is that, despite claims to the contrary, the economy recovered during the New Deal. During Roosevelt's first two terms, the U.S. economy grew at average annual growth rates of 9 percent to 10 percent, with the exception of the recession year of 1937-1938...

Roosevelt's first two terms. In part, the jobs came from Washington, which directly employed as many as 3.6 million people to build roads, bridges, ports, airports, stadiums, and schools -- as well as, of course, to paint murals and stage plays. But new jobs also came from the private sector, where manufacturing work increased apace.


This basic fact is clear -- unless you quote only the unemployment rate for the recession year 1938 and count government employees hired under the New Deal as unemployed, which conservative commenters have taken to doing..."


After all, as Paul Krugman recently explained to a stunningly ignorant George Will on ABC News, 1937-1938 was the period Roosevelt dialed back the New Deal in the name of conservative demands that he stop spending:

By 1937 things were a lot better than they were in 1933. Then [FDR] was persuaded to balance the budget or try to and he raised taxes and cut spending and the economy went back down again and then it took an enormous public works program known as World War II to bring the economy out of the depression.
So with all of that data, let's go back to Fox News' main assertion: Is it really true that "historians pretty much agree" that the New Deal's government intervention prolonged the Great Depression? Of course not, as New York Times economics writer Daniel Gross says:

It was only with the passage of New Deal efforts--the SEC, the FDIC, the FSLIC--that the mechanisms of private capital began to kick back into gear. Don't take it from me. Take it from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, who wrote the following in Essays on the Great Depression: "Only with the New Deal's rehabilitation of the financial system in 1933-35 did the economy begin its slow emergence from the Great Depression."...

The argument that the New Deal's efforts "perhaps had prolonged, the Depression," is a canard. One would be very hard-pressed to find a serious professional historian--I mean a serious historian, not a think-tank wanker, not an economist, not a journalist--who believes that the New Deal prolonged the Depression. (emphasis added)...

by ihavenobias on 03/27/2009 05:06:46 PM EST

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I anticipated your response.

by Twba on 03/27/2009 05:28:18 PM EST

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David Sirota is referencing others in his piece. Your dismissal of him is therefore a straw-man that ignores those others and their research.

Sorry champ, better luck next time.

by ihavenobias on 03/27/2009 05:43:18 PM EST

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I'm dismissing you. You're not worth the effort.

by Twba on 04/01/2009 05:34:20 AM EST

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Each month, every American should be forced to write a check equal to 15 percent of his paycheck gross, and mail it to Barack Obama. This amount will represent his contribution to the $4 trillion Federal Budget. Then, let's see how long before Americans start demanding spending cuts.

by KenTX on 03/27/2009 03:21:01 PM EST

We could cut our budget by a 25% on military waste alone. Can we start there? Next would be corporate welfare. Screw the banks. Between the two, we are down to 2 trillion.

Next lets cap medical charges and get rid of insruance comapnies all together. Like the bankers, they are leaches on the system.

What else?

by sisco66 on 03/31/2009 10:00:28 PM EST

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Let's start with 10%. 25% would be politically impossible IMO.

by ihavenobias on 04/05/2009 05:22:00 PM EST

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Wealth Cap = How rich is too rich?

If you look like Joseph Merrick and you have a supermodel giving you head---you’re too rich.

If you can afford to use exotic fur for toilet paper---yer too fuckin’ rich.

If you can afford to leave yer dog millions when ya croak---yer a pig with too much money.

Sounds stupid, I know, but most of the things these rich fucks buy are actually just as ridiculous as glitzy fur toilet paper.

The rich can’t have it both ways.  They can’t say there are endless resources, money, and opportunities and then fight to the death against paying more taxes or giving up their precious 17th car---or house.  If there is an endless supply of cash-n-shit then they themselves should never run out of money.  Heh, we all know that’s BS.  So, since we know that resources are indeed, limited, then they have no common sense right to live like fuckin’ kings when other people have no insurance and go hungry---unless they think some sky gawd wants it that way.

In my opinion, no one should net over a million bucks a year---if someone claims they need more than that---they’re greedy asshole sociopaths that need to be treated for mental illness.

by kurd55 on 03/30/2009 02:07:47 PM EST

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