Is there such thing as a Religious Liberal?

My question is sort of a contradiction because I consider my self a religious liberal lol but when I watch Cenk talk about religion, he talks as if its impossible to be religious and at the same time a liberal.

Now I agree with alot of things that Cenk says, but for some reason when it comes to religion, I disagree. The main reason being that he groups all religious people into one group. For example(and this is what I've gotten from him) he believes that ALL religious people are against abortion. ALL religious people are against stem cell research. ALL religious people are against science.
I'm a Muslim consider my self as a person with strong faith, but I'm far from what Cenk describes as "religious people". Now I understand some of Cenk's gripes about other religious people. But I think its counterproductive if he just keeps grouping all of us together. I dont know, just throwing it out there lol Are there any of you in my situation in which you are a liberal but at the same time have strong faith in your religion? To all the people who DONT have a religion or believe in God, what do you think about this?
Thanks for listening 
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his name was Jesus, present company excluded.

"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 03/09/2009 03:30:39 PM EST

How was jesus a liberal?

by nmaks on 03/09/2009 03:55:36 PM EST

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"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 03/09/2009 04:19:40 PM EST

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You seem to make jokes alot, and it's difficult to take you seriously when you attatch Jesus to a system of polictical thinking that wasn't really formed until much later.

by nmaks on 03/09/2009 04:30:04 PM EST

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Actions took place before language was developed.

And while collectively labeling a group of actions and ideas as liberal came much later, many of the general ideas and actions existed long before.

by ihavenobias on 03/09/2009 04:35:50 PM EST

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If this person wasn't Acroso, why would he rate your comment a 1?

Come to think of it, unless he's been lurking for a long time, he would think "WTF is an acroso?" or he'd deny it.

by ihavenobias on 03/09/2009 10:35:59 PM EST

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At first I thought it was a cryptic insult, or a bible term, it was a troll on Tyt. As I was not that person I rated it a one, cause I could tell it was meant as an insult and had no basis.

by nmaks on 03/09/2009 10:42:09 PM EST

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I'll take your word for it.

by ihavenobias on 03/09/2009 10:59:08 PM EST

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I'll source it.  You're welcome.

Calling Jesus a liberal doesn't even really do it justice.  He sounds like a pinko commie socialist sometimes.

by Spencer on 03/09/2009 04:02:58 PM EST

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The only joke is thinking that Jesus WASN'T a liberal. That socialist nut even said this, starting the original Class Warfare:

"...I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God...

The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, sell all his possessions, give the money to the poor.."

I'm surprised O'Reilly hasn't featured Jesus on his Pinheads & Patriots segment, as a Pinhead (aka, a far left liberal loon) of course.

by ihavenobias on 03/09/2009 04:13:50 PM EST

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all religious people are morons. this is fact. accepting even an iota of religion as true requires a level of mental retardation that immediately disqualifies a believer in any higher form of thought.

liberals, although they like to believe themselves to be intellectually superior to conservatives, are not quite so superior as to avoid the disease of religion.

they too can be morons.

to a bunch of morons, different levels of moronicity amongst themselves may seen significant---this may allow liberal religious morons to consider themselves more intelligent than conservative religious morons, maybe because the former believe that yahweh created the universe 15billion years ago while the latter believe that this happened just 6000years ago.

to an atheist standing outside the moron-pit, these trifling differences are without distinction. a quantitative squabble about the duration of time in the past when some magical miracle occurred is trivial when compared against the mental depravity that accepts miracles in the first place.

by neo on 03/09/2009 10:24:37 PM EST

An extreme example is former Evangelist (heavily involved in the founding of the Religious Right) Frank Schaeffer kicked some serious ass on D.L. Hug-Lee's show the other night.

Amazingly he left the Religious Right and is now a religious liberal who supported Obama. 

Click Here to watch Frank describe the Religious Right

 

by ihavenobias on 03/09/2009 03:41:22 PM EST

from Sojourner's Magazine.

by Spencer on 03/09/2009 03:48:05 PM EST

Obviously he despises the Religious Right, but still.

by ihavenobias on 03/09/2009 03:51:04 PM EST

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Isn't he President is a religious liberal?

by OldGerman on 03/09/2009 03:59:34 PM EST

Barack Obama embraced religion to advance in Chicago politics and subsequently, national politics. If he could have achieved the same goal by remaining an atheist, like the rest of his family, he would have been much happier.

by KenTX on 03/09/2009 04:19:00 PM EST

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He spoke politely, all the while considering me a sonofabitching liar. Thank you for your politeness, Jarett. Now tell me what part of the story does not fit with the facts.

by KenTX on 03/09/2009 08:34:01 PM EST

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"He spoke politely, all the while considering me a sonofabitching liar."

Where did that come from?

"People who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them." LL

by Robrob on 03/10/2009 12:42:37 AM EST

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Who are you to say what Barack's and his families' religious beliefs are and are not?  He covers them in his autobiographies, and Newsweek did an extensive spiritual background check on both McCain and Barack during the campaign.

NPR also covered the topic rather extensively.

It's awfully convenient to claim that Barack only became a Christian to run for political office, when his spirituality comes from a courageous period of doubt, questioning, and eventually finding his own relationship with Jesus - all before running for any level of office.

That, BTW, mirrors my own journey, and yes, I am a liberal.  To truly follow the teachings of Christ, especially concerning the poor, requires a liberal leaning.  I am proud of both my faith and my political outlook.

by yul2las on 03/10/2009 01:12:50 PM EST

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and a liberal.

So yes.

by jarett on 03/09/2009 06:01:04 PM EST

http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=X8xU-gKK17A

Al Franken's SUPPLY SIDE JESUS

"People who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them." LL

by Robrob on 03/10/2009 12:46:23 AM EST

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Martin Luther King Jr. yet.  He most definitely was religious (unless he was putting on a *really* good show) and most definitely liberal (he'd be an absolute horror to present day Republicans.)

The notion that (American) liberalism and religiosity are somehow incompatible is utter nonsense; but of course, the Republicans would like you to think that such an incompatiblity exists so that, if you happen to be religious (as most Americans are), then you might think, "Oh, I guess I must be conservative!"

Also, as an atheist, I somehow feel the need to denounce and reject the statements in Neo's ridiculous post.

by BlueRondo on 03/10/2009 10:18:15 AM EST

"he believes that ALL religious people are against abortion. ALL religious people are against stem cell research. ALL religious people are against science."

I can assure you that Cenk does not actually hold these opinions. What he means to say is that ALL the people who oppose those things do so for religious reasons. These political fights are always waged against the religious. People are so accustomed to the taboo against criticizing religion that whenever anyone crosses it they over-react.

No matter how much religious liberals distance themselves from the religious right, they seem to always take offense when non-religious people criticize them. As if to say, "Yes, we can criticize them, but just stand back there nonbeliever, you're out of line!"

One thing I admire about the fundies is that they stay true to their faith. They own it, unlike the modern religionists who play shell-games and do a tap-dance when talking about faith.

by mr science on 03/10/2009 11:19:31 AM EST

Of courrrssse!

It seems hard for those who do not have a spiritual life to understand why faith is such an important part of the lives of many of us libs. But when fear-filled, doctrinaire evangelicals claim God's role in advancing their own political aims, it is not difficult to understand why non-religious people would think we're all like that.

But I do weary sometimes of other libs presuming I agree with the nut jobs who use God's name for their own vain ends. Most of us have read the commandment that addresses this issue. It's not a new issue.

The very founders many of these misguided people claim to revere for their so-called Judeo-Christian heritage were also the strongest proponents of church-state seperation. Cenk's Monday guest had it 100% correct. The politically conservative Christian religious groups have been co-opted by power-driven politicians simply for their own ends. In order to be receptive to God's leadings, one has to maintain a somewhat open heart. And it is a deeply immoral act to poison that vulnerability with hatred, greed and fear, as Rove etal have done.

by Verified1 on 03/10/2009 01:41:00 PM EST

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