PIRATE POINTS AND QUESTIONS

1)  Courageous obviously, but wasn't it also stupid?


2)  Why is this "mothership" allowed to exist?

3)  Cool point slipped into that NYT "Week in Review" article.

A few points/questions on the pirates ..
1)  Courageous obviously, but wasn't it also stupid?
Clearly there was a great deal of personal courage involved in this incident.  Captain Richard Phillips behaved with inspiring courage and selflessness.  His crew was clearly courageous.  The U.S. Military personnel was not only courageous, but chillingly competent.& amp; nbsp; All that said can anyone explain to me how this Captain did not behave stupidly before he was forced into this situation?  He was sailing directly through the area where all these pirates have been attacking ships, would it not have been more intelligent to sail AROUND that area.  I have heard some sort of explanation that he (or the company he worked for, obviously if he was acting on his employer's orders than it is as much their fault as his) thought that walls of the freighter ship were too high for the pirates scale.  Clearly this assessment was incorrect, and frankly this smells like the kind of piss poor excuse that television news editors slip into news stories so obvious questions that might fuck with the narrative they think will most please their viewers (the narrative being:  this Captain is an amazing hero that survived an amazing ordeal!  the question being:  what the fuck was he doing there in the first place?)
2)  Why is this "mothership" allowed to exist?
Evidently, there is a "mothership" these pirates need to operate (obviously they can't travel over 300 miles off shore in a dingy).  We know this thing exists from media reports.  We have the most sophisticated Navy in the world so I'm guessing we can also find it.  Frankly, I would guess there is probably an American submarine under it, right now, and has been for some time.  Can't we just blow this thing up.  What the hell do we spend bazillions a year on our Navy for if we can't take care of some freaking pirates.  Who's going to complain, the Somali government? Of course not.  There is no government there.  What are we afraid of, an "International Incident?"  The only likely international incident I can think of is an incidence of every country with their flag on one of these ships at risk in that area being very, very grateful we took a leadership role here (this includes the Russians, the French, the Saudis, the Greeks and many others), and used our military to act decisively to solve an international problem no one else seems to want to deal with.  Not only would it be the right thing to do, it would have the added benefit of of proving to the world that our new president is capable of using the largest military power the world has ever seen to take assertive action to solve practical problems, just about everybody wants solved.  So blow up the mothership.  If there are hostages on it that make this impractical, then send our highly competent SEALs to capture it.
  If we are waiting to take action because there is some sort of intelligence somebody thinks they can get from this situation, somebody else should be asking the question: is it really likely that this potential intelligence will be more valuable to us than the international political capitol we would earn by taking care of this situation, and the intelligence we could gather later by leveraging this capitol.
  Seriously, get rid of the mothership.  This is embarrassing.
3)  Cool point slipped into that NYT "Week in Review" article.
I'm assuming just about everyone that goes to this site reads the New York Times.  Did anyone else notice the profoundly relevant quote slipped into this article http://www.nytimes.com/2009 /04/12/weekinreview/12gettl eman.html?_r=1&scp=1&am p;am p;sq=jefferson%20pirates&am p;am p;st=cse from a United States treaty.  According the article it read "The United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.  It has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of [Muslims}."
This was 1796.  I don't know who wrote this but I'm guessing whoever did was pretty familiar with the mindset of the founding fathers.  In other words all these people who claim that the Judea-Christian philosophy was integral to our country's founding are WRONG.  By extension, that means that constitutional constructionists should be in favor of separating church and state whenever possible.
  It also means that just about everything Bill O'reilly ever said or wrote on the subject of God and our government is dead wrong, but everybody already knew this, so all this run on sentence is accomplishing is bringing me one step closer to arthritis in my fingers ...

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1)  Courageous obviously, but wasn't it also stupid?
 
 
All ships from America or Europe that are destined to ports in eastern Africa have to either pass the piracy-infested Gulf of Aden, or go all the way around Cape Hope, which would be immensly time-consuming and expensive. In other words, there is really no other choice but to take the risk, as hundreds of ships do every day. The crew could probably have decided to not do that trip at all, but saying they were "stupid" to do it seems too harsh to me.
 
 
2)  Why is this "mothership" allowed to exist?
 
Good question. I don't know any specifics, but I would assume that there's not only one, but many pirate "motherships".
One reason for not just blowing them up might be that we don't want to kill people based on mere suspicion, and that only pirates involved in an actual offensive act would be attacked. So the pirates would have to be "caught in the act". Anyway, killing the pirates in the absence of immediate danger to someone else's life could still be seen as disproportionate.
Another reason might be that pirates are currently still holding a high number of hostages, the well-being of whom is taken into consideration when dealing with the "motherships".
 
 
3)  Cool point slipped into that NYT "Week in Review" article.
 
I guess there's a difference between "Christian religion" and "Judea-Christian philosophy". It should be widely accepted that the U.S. isn't founded on any particular religion. One could still argue that its founding was based on a particular "philosophy". This is intrinsically hard to disprove, so from a scientific point of view the statement is pretty pointless.
The separation of state and church is a separate issue, and I think again, the majority of even the religious right would generally argue in favor of it.

by OldGerman on 04/14/2009 03:27:21 AM EST

With "Cape Hope" I meant the Cape of Good Hope.

by OldGerman on 04/14/2009 03:34:19 AM EST

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"In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas."

From You Are Being Lied to About Pirates on HuffingtonPost.

Any chance TYT can get Johann Hari on for an interview?

by CptRich on 04/14/2009 09:18:16 AM EST

I didn't read the article, but I assume in point 3 that they are speaking of the Treaty of Tripoli. This was a part of a group of treaties, which had to do with (coincidentally) pirates, specifically the Barbary Pirates. So this has been a problem for a long time. Here is the URL from Wikipedia about it. When I paste this in, there will be spaces inserted, so take those out of the address before trying to check it out, or just go to wikipedia and search for "Treaty of Tripoli". http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/Treaty_of_Tripoli .

The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day venture to the stars. -Carl Sagan

by aidbo on 04/14/2009 01:49:39 PM EST

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