Please Read- Could America turn into Nazi Germany

It can't happen here..... or could it?

Do you remember hearing about the people of Germany prior to the 1930's? They belonged to the most civilized, cultured, and best educated people on Earth. After all, Bach, Beethoven, and Brahms were Germans. So were Goethe and Schiller. American doctors learned to speak German and flocked to Berlin to learn the newest advances in medicine. German scientists achieved work renown.

Then came the Great Depression. Millions of Germans were unemployed as were people worldwide. Hunger, poverty, and disruption of life became the norm as huge waves of resentment, anger, and fear swept Germany. Inflation there was so rampant that it took a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread. 

Nationalism started to fester and Germans were desparate to find a leader who could return them to their days of prominence. The people sought answers to their problems and they searched for groups to blame for their misery. The Brownshirts began to organize and they gained popularity when they promised to act in support of the German people

Historians firmly believe that the environment was ripe for a revolution. Meanwhile, in America, scholars stated that such an upheaval would never be likely here.

 

In America today, we see unemployment and a retraction of our economy to a scale we've never seen before in our lifetime. In some ways we are frightened, searching for answers and looking for those to blame as the Germans did in the '30's.

Enter Glen Beck and Republican Congresswoman, Michele Bachmann. Fox News states that Glen Beck has over 2.5 million viewers each night. So what's the big deal? He appears before the cameras, squezzes his eyes shut, and you see real tears rolling down his cheeks. Most of us roll our eyes, tap our foreheads, and think this guy is  nuts. But wait. Listen to his words- words have consequences and 2.5 million people want to see and hear him every night. He appeals to his listeners with phrases such as 'you are not alone' and 'they surround us today but we're going to surround them tomorrow'. The 911 widows, he says, should shut up because they won't show any gratitude for 'all we have done for them'. He asks us to think back to 9/12- the day we came together before 'it' all came apart.

Michelle Bachmann drops the code words and openly asks the people of Minnesota directly to 'arm themselves' to 'take back this nation'.

Glen Beck and Ms Bachmann liken themselves to Real Americans in contrast to the 'other' Americans who are 'out to destroy our country'. Joe 'The Plumber', Chuck Norris, and others also make the claim that they are the Real Americans. This unsubtle form of demagoguery is called rabble rousing and the more you hear these people on national television the more frightening it becomes. Be careful not to dismiss these wingers as 'just crazy'. They are using the same words and the same tactics heard and seen by my grandparents who lived in Berlin in the 1930's before they were deported. Even then, teh Nazis struck a nerve throughout their country when they were heralded as the Real Germans.

Reflect for a moment and try to imagine that it was John McCain who had won the election. He often stated that he did not know much about the economy, and that the pillars of our economy were strong. His chief economic advisor was a prime architect in the deregulation of our banking and mortage lending institutions. Where would we be today? Would we be living in total catastrophe? Would our country resemble pre-war Germany? No one knows.

Today, we have safeguards such as unemployment insurance, health insurance, and bank protections that were not established in the 1930's. And, of course, we have the luxury of knowing that we have an extremely competent leader in the White House. But, are we really so positively sure that a German-style revolution couldn't happen here?

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So who does that make Michelle Bachman? Eva Braun?

I see what you are saying, and I understand that the conditions are similar, but what needs to be examined are the points that are being made, and the knowledge that a lot of people are beginning to feel very squeezed by what they are seeing around them...

They have seen the "Yo MTV Raps" generation take over the government. That scares them.

They are seeing states allowing Gay couples being married, shattering their concepts of what is right and what is wrong.

They are hearing rumblings of the "jack booted thugs" taking away one of our few remaining options to protect ourselves from the criminal elements in our country - guns.

They have already witnessed a president demolish many of our Constitutional rights, wire tapping our phones, detaining citizens without charges etc.. This hasplanted the seed of discontent...

Its time to stop blaming. Its time to correct the situation.

Many people believe Obama is the answer.

Many believe he isnt.

Where does that leave us?

by bobo1 on 04/09/2009 12:57:50 PM EST

Germany wasn't really a country that had been exposed to democracy for very logn before the Germans took power. While Beck and Bachmen seem to oppose Obama and want to take back the governemnt, aside from wanting to crack down on terrorists more, there is no evidence to suggest they want an authoritarian regime. There are times in history where we have been much closer to dictatorships than now.

Also we also have a pretty clear scapegoat, the wall street executives and the previous administrations and  not minorities such as jews.

by nmaks on 04/09/2009 01:16:40 PM EST

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I intended the previous reply to be as a general thing not for Bobos comment :)

by nmaks on 04/09/2009 01:17:24 PM EST

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Crazy.. no rational person would say the things she does.

the "Yo MTV Raps" generation meaning blacks of course.

Conservatives including you have tried to use Obama's  extreme popularity against him time and time again. If Obama is so popular that must mean not that many people have a problem with the Yo MTV raps generation in the white house . Its a non issue in mainstream America.

Hey chicken little.. same sex marriage has been legal in Massachusetts for a long time and the sky didnt fall.

Who exactly is spreading the rumors that jack booted thugs are going to take away your guns? Ill give you a hint  his initials are Glenn Beck.

Obama has been in office for about 80 days? And already he has proven that he is going to step back from that edge my friend. He is restoring Americas place in the world and rolling back much of the damage that Bush did already.

Where does that leave you? Bitter and angry that a Black Democrat took the white house by storm

That would be my guess.

We are in good shape  there is no way we will ever be another Nazi Germany. Extreme nationalism is the realm of the conservatives and they arent even close to being in power.

Obama is restoring pride in our country..thats a whole different thing.


by Chinese Democracy on 04/09/2009 02:15:42 PM EST

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Obama Bowing

Yeah, thats what we should do - Bow to the Saudis!

Who do we bow to next, oh great Tiny???

Asshole

:(

by bobo1 on 04/09/2009 02:31:21 PM EST

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was a major success..

I know the bow down thing is making the rounds in the conservative blogosphere.. the emails are lighting up.

My answer is  so? who cares

Asshole? If you are going to call names at least be funny


by Chinese Democracy on 04/09/2009 02:38:03 PM EST

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Is that more fitting (no pun intended), Tiny?

:)

by bobo1 on 04/09/2009 02:42:03 PM EST

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and I didnt get the pun either so Im glad you didnt intend one.


by Chinese Democracy on 04/09/2009 02:47:30 PM EST

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made the statement about clinging to guns and religion? Wow did Obama get that right. He must be a prophet.


by Chinese Democracy on 04/09/2009 05:28:58 PM EST

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I'll take bowing in public over what Bush was doing in his knees in private...

by alphasigmookie on 04/09/2009 02:42:06 PM EST

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How many Presidents have bowed or otherwise followed local custom when greeting the leader of another nation?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 04/09/2009 09:56:05 PM EST

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Obama reaching for the guys hands to shake them and having conservatives say he is bowing?

OR

Bush actually holding hands with the guy?

I threw in a kiss cuz I knew you would like it



by Chinese Democracy on 04/09/2009 10:46:40 PM EST

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of your comments but can you clarify what you mean by "Yo MTV rap generation?"

by jenellhonore on 04/09/2009 02:54:42 PM EST

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Isn't it obvious what he means?  Hamp Kebblestone isn't known for his subtlety.

by Spencer on 04/09/2009 03:04:24 PM EST

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Bobo to respond, I don't need you to interpret what he mean because I wanted to make sure I am not taking anything out of context.

by jenellhonore on 04/09/2009 03:37:26 PM EST

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Puleeze.

Won't happen.

1) The majority of the young people is too lazy or too self-absorbed. Going outside and  marching or sht.. way too exhausting. Let alone burning books or progroming. Maybe a few thousand motorized barstools sponsored by the pundits would help.

2) The main secret of success for the Nazis was: they were cool. Yes, you heard me right. They were not cool by today's standards, but back then, they were hip as hell (yeah, the Hitler 'stache was part of that allure), nationalism and antisemitism being a way to protest against the too lame and tame establishment and government and the so-called "backstabbers" (here is a strong parallel) and to act out in a long denied juvenile manner.

And nationalism in the U.S. is IMHO very accepted (even the most leeberals sometimes can't seem to contain those frightening "U.S.A., U.S.A."-ravings) so theres no subversive power to it.

Well, you can call right-wing nuts anything but they ain't cool. They only have that lunatic charm, but it wears off.

3) The movement as a whole is too old. I guess most of the hardcore wing nuts are long past expiration date. Their front lawn being the only place they can walk on their own to turn into Nazi-Germany.

But seriously: i don't think the anger in the general population is big enough for a mass movment. And the organisations out of which revolutions used to emerge, mainly the military or unions or some form of surrogate, are not present in present day everyone-for-himself of A.

Bachmann, Beck etc. may have some power over the weak but they certainly lack the means and diligence to start a power grab backed by a majority of the people.

 Nevertheless they might influence some fringed minds or even groups of the crackpot variety to commit violent acts of one sort or another.

by eborujion on 04/09/2009 03:46:34 PM EST

German Nazi style take over! Ha! Come on, everyone knows we're going to go through a people's revolution with dear leader Glenn "The Crazy" Beck and re-education camps and reassignment. Duh!



With parachuters dropping out of the sky, and gay communist San Fransisco robots marching through the streets, cities burning, looting, civil war, gay unions, midnight basketball, oh the madness will it ever stop?!? I just...love my country so much and...I just...

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by tiggerporn on 04/09/2009 04:46:48 PM EST

Talk to me when Americans suffer from inflation so bad that they need a wheelbarrow full of worthless dollar bills to buy just a loaf of bread

by Perry on 04/09/2009 07:11:42 PM EST

We would not be in this particular situation with a McCain win.  McCain would IMO be a disaster--no answer at all for the economy other than even further deregulation and the bankruptcy of about 1/8 of our major corporations and loss of about 4 million more jobs than are currently gone.  No confidence in his decision-making on the economy, health care, immigration, and every chance that he would totally reverse course every 3 months as based on political pressure.  A continued dark cloud over our standing in the world and international diplomacy, a new Cold War, no real knowledge of the pulse of pop culture or main street, and unending gridlock over 80% of his proposals with a Liberal Congress.  All that plus considerable fatigue.  And Palin would be a catastrophic associate...seeking media attention every other day, puting forth the most divisive, tone-deaf, cynical policies and statements, getting bored with her job within 3 months and beginning to openly assert her own agenda without consulting with McCain, getting into constant quibbles with lawmakers or advocacy groups over petty, time-wasting gossipy issues, and offering McCain not a single piece of wise political advice.  Almost surely this country would be closer to total ruin under a McCain/Palin administration than now.

  But the opposition is a different group of people.  Liberals do about 6 things habitually, occasionally approaching a sort of 'benevolent soft Fascism':  Everyone has to be PC, religious imagery is suppressed, racism, sexism, gay-bashing, etc. are decried as among the greatest evils possible.  Smoking, driving without safety precautions, lack of adherence to very strict pollution codes, mistreating animals--these are seen as utterly intolerable and fought on a constant aggressive basis toward the goal of total Draconian conformity.  But these rigidities are what they are--merely issues with words and safety measures.  They are not the stepping stones to armed insurrection.  Conservatives, on the other hand, are the party of gun excess.  Of war as the best deterrant to (worse unseen future) war.  Of paranoia turning into vigilanteism.

In Obama, Conservatives have the perfect storm for lunacy.  He is foreign (sort of), has some variably-tenuous strands of acquiantnce with Islam, Chicago corruption, anarchy, Black liberation theology, etc., believes in the presence of a big, proactive government, is an intellectual (which Conservatives always view cynically) and is wildly popular among what Conservatives alternately believe are the useless, slavish and/or subversive masses.  Add in the fact that Bush left the country as a flaming graveyard with eight major crises at once--all that he either exasperated or let alone to fester and worsen, and the fact that, realistically, Republicans are a dead party with no solutions and no legitimate chance of retaking either house or the presidency for at least 6-8 years.  And add the fact that Conservatism has been increasingly maniacal and irresponsible since 9/11, regardless of who has been in charge, and that their propaganda machine is a better salesman for visceral, apocalyptic terror than is anything the relatively weak, dissolute Left can muster.

So there we have a paradox.  The country is likely to do much better in the foreseeable future with a Liberal agenda, but Conservatives will be more and more likely to doing something truly stupid and harmful, whereas under the miserable failure of the Conservative agenda, the country would suffer far more greatly, but there would be a much less likely wave of violence stringing from this.  How will Nazi Germany be avoided, then?  It is all on the Right (Bobo, you are incredibly brainwashed and your "Yo MTV Raps" comments, among others, do you a tremendous dis-service, and one to this forum).  Either they will present a temperate, reasonable leader who may or may not be elected president but will marginalize the fringe lunacy and insidiousness, or the disgraceful Right will flame itself out within a few years and go away and let some responsible, qualified adults fill their void and present some truly productive balance into Washington.

 

by Milltycoon on 04/10/2009 02:10:47 AM EST

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