04/09/2009 11:44:18 AM EST

If You Are FAT you are not worthy!

posted by GGooDie

Look. I am tired of this shit that I don't even look at the third hour anymore because of petty mess like this.

What is up with all the FAT issues with TYT...let alone the rest of society?

Oh she has cellulite.

Oh her hips are too big.

Oh her ass does not look right.

Ohh what happened to her she used to very skinny.

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Get over this shit!

Why is that a person that has weight on them are not healthy or in shape?

The last time I checked just because you cut your calories and you weigh 125...does not mean that you are in shape. I have out run and out worked females with a 5'6 frame and weigh 150.

May I add that I am 6'1 and weigh 250. What The Fuck! I play sports. I am active. I don't lose my breath when I run up a flight of stairs and I do not eat everything that is in fucking sight. I do not call a buffet my home nor do I fucking stink.

I wear whatever I want and feel comfortable. Who in the hell…worries about what they look like when they are going for a job interview. Are you serious? The last time I checked I am an ELITE FAT BITCH and when I go in for an interview my weight is the last thing on my mind. 

Final Dose. We are not meant to be skinny. We were not put on this Earth to look a person up and down and judge if they are WORTHY or not because of what they weigh or what they look like.

The shit is real petty and I would think that since we are in the year 2009 dumb weight issues and judgment would be done...but of course not. 

Yeah there are obese folks out there and I do not condone in that. And yes there are anorexic people out there and I do not condone in that either. 

My reason for this is...can we please stop judging a person by how much they weigh. How big their boobs are? How fat their ass is? And start to focus on yourself and the natural qualities that a person possesses.

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If You Are FAT you are not worthy! | 23 comments (23 topical, 1 hidden)
A few things (none / 0)
1)-You may know this, but it's worth repeating: Weight and height alone are antiquated measures. It's all about body composition, aka the percentage of bodyfat relative to lean meass.

Someone can be 6'1 250 and in amazing muscular shape or they can be clinically obese and at increased risk for a variety of health conditions. Weight has some use but bodyfat percentage is far more important. Someone can be at a "normal weight" and still be unhealthy.


2)-It's the biology stupid. NOTE: That was a fun play on words based on Clinton, just so you don't read it the wrong way. At any rate, it's true. Being into clear skin and a certain waist-hip-ratio is not society, it's biology.


It's on our genes to seek these things out, and research (by Helen Fisher and many others) shows that symmetry, clear skin and a particular waist-hip-ratio spans cultures across the globe. With that said, society puts these natural ingrained desires on steroids through make-up, air-brushing, push-up bras, tanning, etc.


Generally speaking marketers don't create phyiscal desires out of thin air, they just exaggerate our existing desires and create an unrealistic ideal to keep the physical perfection carrott just out of our reach.


3)-Did you see the other day when Cenk and Ana agreed that Scarlett Johannson had lost too much weight and she looked better before? I completely agree with them.


And I've said many times in the past that too many women fall into the trap of excessive diet and cardio (and tanning). But like many things in life, there should be some balance.


Unfortunately the bottom line is that judging others based on physical appearance is not a purely societal construct, it's a deeply biological one. Should we try to recognize how society exaggerates and exploits this for profit? Yes. But it's often times fighting an uphill battle IMO.


The other tricky thing is that America is the fattest country on earth! We have this strange polarization of perfect and completely unhealthy, sedentary slobs.

by Tom Hanc on 04/09/2009 03:16:54 PM EST

Shoot (none / 0)
Remind me to do a comment preview next time, sorry about the spacing. And I really do need to download Google spell check again.

by Tom Hanc on 04/09/2009 03:17:48 PM EST

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Spellchecker (none / 0)

If you use Firefox they have a Spellchecker add-on.

Where you can correct words like you are using Microsoft Word. 

Awesome! 

"Everything That Is Green...Is KeeN"

by GGooDie on 04/10/2009 08:50:36 AM EST

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Thanks! (none / 0)
Although Firefox obnoxiously blocks my downloads and I've been too lazy to get around it so I'm using Explorer for TYT only.

PS---Dove Evolution, work-safe.

by Tom Hanc on 04/10/2009 01:47:14 PM EST

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about judgement (none / 0)
I agree that we respond to physical appearance on a biological level.  We all have our own tastes when it comes to who or what we find attractive in another person.

However, I don't understand the need for unnecessary cruelty when talking about the appearance of others.  At various times TYT have used adjectives like "nasty", "disgusting", and "gross" when talking about those they deem as too fat or too skinny or too ugly.  More than once, this had angered me to the point of reconsidering my membership.  

It's fine if they don't find someone attractive, but I'm often disappointed by the meanness of the commentary that occurs during the entertainment sections of the show.  Am I crazy for wanting TYT to hold themselves to a higher standard?

by pmdtrans on 04/10/2009 12:27:51 AM EST

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I understand what you're saying (none / 0)
And I think it would make for a members only question (assuming you're a member).

You know, you could ask something like "do you ever fear that your third hour and post game show talk about sex and "nasty, "disgusting" or "gross" people could impact your chances of hitting the big time? That you'll have less credibility or that the comments could come back to haunt you?

For whatever reason, I'm personally NOT bothered by the comments. And this is coming from someone who's had body image issues from the age of 6 due to be being fat. And barring surgery, I can have a pretty good body, but no six-pack. It's not a mental thing, it's physically impossible.

That's what sucks about set-point, it's very easy to get your body physiologically accustomed to higher weight, but it HATES it when you try to reset it to lower one. And big weight loss can mean stretch marks and loose skin, etc.

At any rate, I'm rambling now. I understand your point but they don't bother me, largely because they're generally discussing celebrities or others who WANT to be in the public eye (and or they have a ton of fame/money so being criticized on appearance is a very small price to pay and I'd trade places with them in a heartbeat) OR they talk about people who'll never (ever) know.

Like some mug shot from a hooker, etc. They say what I'm actually thinking "wow, she looks beat". I think *most* people have these thoughts, so to that end the honesty is refreshing.

But I understand there can be a fine line between "keepin it real" and "keepin it really mean". Some are just at a different end of the spectrum on that issue.

by Tom Hanc on 04/10/2009 01:17:34 PM EST

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Just a small bit to add... (none / 0)
You're male, and they don't spend much time talking about in the same way that they shred the female celebrities for perceived physical defects.

As a woman who's struggled with weight and body issues all my life (from childhood, like yourself), when I hear them pick apart someone for gaining ten pounds, or refer to someone who's appearance may be similar to my own in a derogatory way, it's hard not to take it personally.  I am a member, and have been for years, but I find myself reconsidering more and more often whether or not I want to sustain my membership. I'm really, really tired of the meanness.  

by pmdtrans on 04/11/2009 08:13:40 AM EST

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True (none / 0)
But trust me, I don't need TYT to talk about it, it's all over the magazines, tv shows and movies (if you read that blog I wrote quite a while ago on the men/women disconnect).

In some ways I'm abnormally concerned with body image, because of my childhood/teen experience. My current GF will attest to that. It makes summer a much less enjoyble season, worrying about body hair and a gut, or receding hair-line, etc.

No question that women still have more pressure (I would argue that's also rooted in biology, not that it makes it right but it is what it is), but the playing field is not quite as far off as some would think.

I think part of why the TYT talk doesn't bother me is because Cenk himself is overweight. If he looked like (insert hot male actor here), I'm sure it'd be a different story. And yes, Ana is pretty, but she's expressed the lack of confidence she has in certain things about herself.

PS---Don't cancel. At the very least, take some time to carefully craft a concise but hard hitting members only question they can answer in the post game show.

by Tom Hanc on 04/11/2009 11:46:22 AM EST

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Pale Anorexic Model Types (none / 0)

yeah, i frequently get annoyed by similar statements in the 3rd hour, especially by often self-deprecating Ana, who really has by all real standards a fantastic body (at least from the waist up, her legs and behind might be a real mess for all I know ;).

I mean, I get it that people (especially female people) need to gossip about anything superficial but Young Turks being liberal and controversial while clinging to the facts could assume the responsibility not to propagate the stereotypes put forward by a somewhat perverted society (All Ihavenobias said about that matter was absolutely true, I 'd like to add that nowhere in our genes the phenotypes of pale, anorexic sick looking model types are preferred, that's what I call perversion by possibly gay and/or pedophile and/or woman hating and/or unbalanced designers). (Note: i did not intend to say they're perverted because they are gay).

P.S.: @GGoodie, you are a little biased with that weight issue, because we all know it's a scientific fact that on average black women can weigh at least 25 pounds more than the average white woman without being considered (or looking for that matter) obese. Maybe I'm stretching science here, but come-on, its true ;).

by eborujion on 04/09/2009 04:44:34 PM EST

Did you ever read my Men Vs. Women post? (none / 0)
Men Vs Women On Body Type: Why The Disconnect?

by Tom Hanc on 04/09/2009 08:33:25 PM EST

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Hadn't, but have now. (none / 0)
I'm too young, site-wise ;). I'm reading regularly maybe since December or January. Excellent post, I couldn't agree more, obviously. I think recent years saw a slight improvement of the ideal body image of women, Scarlett, Lindsay and Kim Kardashian being indication of that. Maybe more public awareness of body image disorders will further that trend in the future. Ultimately and sadly the best incentive for the designers to hire more "womanly" models will be when everyone stops paying attention and buying their crappy clothes.

by eborujion on 04/09/2009 09:53:57 PM EST

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Glad to hear it (none / 0)
The other thing is, again, it's a tricky situation because so many Americans are overweight in terms of health/medical standards.

So I *do* get annoyed when someone who is clearly overweight (beauty standards aside) says "I'm happy with how I look".  That's great, but are you happy with your blood pressure, blood fat levels and risk of diabetes and arthritis (etc.)?

I say this as someone who grew up fat. I eventually lost the fat and got into eating healthy and lifting weights (although I've had my fluctations over time), so I have both great sympathy/empathy and a lack of patience for the "it's ok to be fat" attitude. I should say my sympathy/empathy is regarding how damn hard it is to avoid calorie dense, tasty foods, for so many reasons.


by Tom Hanc on 04/09/2009 10:01:45 PM EST

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Survival of the Fattest... (none / 0)

Myself being metabolically very old-fashioned and having experienced the range from BMI 19 to BMI 31 have a general idea what you're talking about ;).

Given an adequate Lean/Fat Mass Ratio which often cannot be seen with the naked eye, even if the body is naked, people are generally healthy in that respect. I would not try to predict any biomarkers and risk factors (except joint degradation) for them or denigrate life styles they exhibit.

Of course there are the clinically obese "human food-feces converters" (yeah, I'm a bad guy) where it is physically impossible an adequate amount of lean mass is buried under those flabby expanses... but i digress. And also, that is a pathological condition and I denounce and reject any prior cynical expressions made.

As a sidenote i might add that, if the economic system demands unrestrained growth, who can blame the lower cast people lacking real opportunities to expand the only thing they have the power to do so? But I digress again... ;).

by eborujion on 04/10/2009 11:15:36 AM EST

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This is true. (none / 0)

I know that me being a black woman, I am portioned and sized differently than most women. (butt, hips, waist), but at the same time you do not see a lot of women like myself on the front of magazines and on TV.

Whenever I see a commericial with a thicker woman in it I am amazed (i.e. Pine-Sol, Ebay), because we are not used to seeing that type of woman on TV.

And by most people not being used to it, they are judgmental of it.

:)

 

"Everything That Is Green...Is KeeN"

by GGooDie on 04/10/2009 08:55:00 AM EST

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Tell that to (none / 0)

John Belushi
Marlon Brando
Buddha
Raymond Burr
John Candy 
Drew Carey
Chubby Checker
Winston Churchill
Santa Claus
Dom Deluise
Elvis (in his later years)
Chris Farley
Aretha Franklin
Jackie Gleason
John Goodman
President Ulysses S. Grant
Oliver Hardy
James Earl Jones
B.B. King
Meatloaf
Zero Mostel
Luciano Pavarotti
President Theodore Roosevelt
Roseanne
Babe Ruth
President Taft
Luther Vandross
Orson Welles

Shelley Winters 

http://tiny.cc/luRuW

Famous Fat People List 

by toosinbeymen on 04/09/2009 06:42:34 PM EST

Fuck you! (none / 0)
President Ulysses S Grant and Teddy Roosevelt weren't fat!

by Perry on 04/09/2009 08:44:38 PM EST

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I like! (none / 0)

Thanks for the list :)

Put MC GGooDei up there too LOL

"Everything That Is Green...Is KeeN"

by GGooDie on 04/10/2009 08:55:31 AM EST

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Amen!! (none / 0)

Amen!!   Sometimes it's just too much.  It's reality, but sometimes we all get brutal. 

by LadyFriend on 04/10/2009 12:42:16 AM EST

Thanks! (none / 0)

To everyone that posted. Really appreciate it!

I just had to get this out. I can on and on about how what is the difference between obese and being a woman with a little more on her body than average.

I hope TYT will take this into consideration the next time they plan to talk about a woman's body.

Be easy! 

"Everything That Is Green...Is KeeN"

by GGooDie on 04/10/2009 08:49:20 AM EST

RE: If You are FAT you are not worthy (none / 0)

I agree 118%.  Ana goes overload when talking about Kim Kardashian.  In my eyes her body is perfect(I am a (straight) woman).  How could anybody not love her body: boobs, hips, small waist, petite, gorgeous face.  Please!  I hate how they(Ana and Cenk) are always going on about the size of her thighs. LOOK GUYS it is damn near impossible for a woman to have 40" hips and tiny Heidi Klum thighs.

 

 Maybe its because they live in LA and see all these plastic people walking around that they feel the need to hate on normal women.  IDK. great post nonetheless 

 P.S. Cenk is no skinny mini himself so why does he begrudge women that do not fit into a standard of "beauty" that he cannot attain?

by Unekwu89 on 04/10/2009 04:56:57 PM EST

To be fair (none / 0)
Cenk regularly makes fun of his OWN appearance. You can argue that still doesn't make it right, but it still deserves to be noted by the court/jury.

:)

by Tom Hanc on 04/11/2009 12:14:19 PM EST

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subjects annoy me (none / 0)
If your job is to look good then people will talk about you looking good. It isn't like they have to be in this business.

Don't talk about religion or politics, my ass!

by TheRob91 on 04/12/2009 10:48:55 AM EST

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