05/22/2009 07:19:43 PM EST

First Mancow, Next KenTX and Twba!

posted by birdboy1

I've seen numerous times when KenTX and Twba have downplayed waterboarding as "half a glass of water up his nose" or "A little discomfort."  I think they should go the way of Mancow

 and see how long they last.  How about on TYT?  Do you think it would make a good spectacle to see Ken bail in 6 seconds?

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How long would Ken last?
1 second 8%
2 seconds 2%
3 seconds 2%
4 seconds 5%
6 seconds 8%
10 seconds 2%
15 seconds 0%
30 minutes 2%
an hour 2%
He's too much of a wuss to do it 61%

Votes: 34
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First Mancow, Next KenTX and Twba! | 89 comments (89 topical, 0 hidden)
Itinerary (4.83 / 6)
1 second: "This ain't so bad. Bring it on, ya LIB!"

2 seconds: "Memo to self, waterboarding is torture."

3 seconds: "Ouchies, the pain and the drowning and the huuuuurrrting! Water, me no likeeeee!"

4 seconds: "I took the Lindbergh baby!"

5 seconds: "I killed Nicole Brown Simpson!"

6 seconds: "I killed the former president of South Korea!"

7 seconds: "I shot JFK!"

8 seconds: "I planned 9/11!"

by OneHitKill on 05/23/2009 10:44:01 AM EST

you forgot... (none / 1)
9 seconds: "OK, You got me! I'm a witch!"

by birdboy1 on 05/23/2009 02:02:05 PM EST

[ Parent ]
When they said it was (none / 1)
A conservative radio host Mancow I assumed they were talking about Rush Limbaugh

by Perry on 05/22/2009 08:47:28 PM EST

Mancow (none / 0)
=
     sean
               manatee

by gatekeeper50 on 05/22/2009 11:21:17 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Actually, I made an egregious error (none / 0)
drawing that comparison.  Mancow did at least submit himself to the indignity of near drowning on his radio show, while sean the coward manatee hannity has yet to respond to the Olbermmann challenge

by gatekeeper50 on 05/24/2009 07:51:21 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Ah (none / 0)
But manatees live underwater, he'll be a natural.

by nmaks on 05/24/2009 08:57:06 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Erich Mancow Muller's appearance on Countdown (none / 0)

by gatekeeper50 on 05/27/2009 11:03:02 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Sorry (none / 0)

I don't believe in torture. Shows a distinct lack of class...

by MedfordTim on 05/22/2009 11:05:42 PM EST

Technically it's not torture in that case (none / 0)
if Kenny boy chooses out of his own free will to be waterboarded to proove his extremist views, then I think it's S&M, not torture

and being a lieeeeb, I'm not judging people who engage in S&M :-)

by callisto on 05/22/2009 11:13:43 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Is waterboarding torture? (none / 1)
"...It was instantaneous...and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture."

Sure sounds like it is. So why do the RWingnuts claim otherwise? What motivation would they have to deny the truth?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/22/2009 11:36:12 PM EST

None of this will matter (none / 1)
They will now say, "Call it what you want, it keeps us safe."

Which is why they made a point to make the effectiveness of torture part of this debate when it has no place. They know Obama won't release all the info on torture because then he has to prosecute the bastards who ordered it and then there goes his first term.

by gotchange on 05/23/2009 01:44:18 AM EST

[ Parent ]
BTW (none / 1)
How odd is it that nobody in the news picked up on this? The first time I heard about this was on here and the only other time was on Countdown.

by gotchange on 05/23/2009 02:45:58 AM EST

[ Parent ]
How odd is it that nobody in the news picked up on (none / 0)
This?

They are too busy obsessing over what Pelosi knew and when she knew it. There's no time to worry over trivial things like the people who actually ordered the torture of (some) innocent people in our names.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/23/2009 04:03:07 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Huffington Post picked up on it (none / 0)
And they are in the top visited sites on the net. So it will get out there.


by Chinese Democracy on 05/23/2009 02:57:42 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Im waiting for Sean Hannity (none / 0)
He said he would get waterboarded for charity  Olberman said he would donate the money. Whats the hold up?

If KenTX and Twba want to be waterboarded to prove its not torture. I say go for it.


by Chinese Democracy on 05/23/2009 03:04:54 PM EST

Conservative waterboarded (none / 0)


by Chinese Democracy on 05/23/2009 03:43:56 PM EST

How strange (none / 0)
Ken, Twba and Bobo haven't posted anything here yet. They are usually so quick to respond to a challenge.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/24/2009 02:26:42 AM EST

who's this bobo (none / 0)
that you people seem to talk about so much?

by birdboy1 on 05/24/2009 09:49:27 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You tell me (4.20 / 3)
Just for the record, I'm not at all convinced by birdboy1's "I'm new here" act.

by OneHitKill on 05/25/2009 10:54:50 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Get your tinfoil hats on (none / 0)
you gonna come up with a theory about how I'm actually Robrob?

by birdboy1 on 05/25/2009 11:03:01 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Don't need it. I have a tinfoil skull. (4.20 / 3)
No, not Robrob.

by OneHitKill on 05/26/2009 10:31:16 AM EST

[ Parent ]
then what (5.00 / 2)
crazy theory are you going to come up with?  "Just for the record, I'm not at all convinced by birdboy1's "I'm new here" act."- OneHitKill
Please tell me how this can be interpreted differently than my interpretation that you are as paranoid as Ken about sock puppets and who is who.

by birdboy1 on 05/26/2009 10:35:46 PM EST

[ Parent ]
How should I know who you are? (4.20 / 3)
what crazy theory are you going to come up with?

No crazy theory. I just don't believe you're new here. Sentences like "Who is this Bobo you keep talking about?" are transparent attempts to appear new. Can you blame me for thinking so?

I might be wrong. We'll literally NEVER KNOW.

by OneHitKill on 05/27/2009 12:29:05 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Nah (none / 0)
I was just slightly curious after seeing Ken constantly referencing users that I had never seen on.  Should I have just looked the other way and pretended I knew what he was talking about?  Just to look less suspicious to paranoid people like you?

by birdboy1 on 05/27/2009 06:58:29 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Yes (none / 0)
I actually can blame you for being so paranoid.  Typically, when a new person comes to a new place where he/she doesn't know any of the people there, he/she doesn't just telepathically know what everyone is talking about when they reference things/people that were there before the new person came.  
So he/she might A) ask some of the people to explain it to them, B) go look it up, or C) Pretend he/she knows what everyone is talking about.  
I happen to have done (A) (and (B) afterwards.)  Can you really blame me?
Now of course where people are paranoid of sock puppets, (A) would result in everyone being suspicious of someone attempting to appear new.  But really, wouldn't you be suspicious also if I appeared to already know every reference that you made?

by birdboy1 on 05/27/2009 07:13:27 AM EST

[ Parent ]
That settles it then (4.20 / 3)
Well now I'm convinced you are new around here. Newer than most, even. If you weren't, you'd already have drawn a thick, black line between Ken's brand of paranoia and my own.

Mystery solved.

by OneHitKill on 05/27/2009 10:02:39 AM EST

[ Parent ]
there is no thick black line (5.00 / 2)
Ken is paranoid that some users are sock puppets.  You are paranoid that some users are sock puppets.  Inferred from "Just for the record, I'm not at all convinced by birdboy1's "I'm new here" act."- OneHitKill. So if I wasn't new here, even though my username is new, then that would mean that I would be a sock puppet.
If you find a thicker black line, please let me know.

by birdboy1 on 05/27/2009 04:10:40 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Dejavu (4.20 / 3)
Just what we need, another armchair psychologist. That's another thing Bobo used to do.

by OneHitKill on 05/27/2009 08:24:18 PM EST

[ Parent ]
wait... (none / 0)
WHUT?
how am I being an "armchair psychologist?"

by birdboy1 on 05/27/2009 08:29:52 PM EST

[ Parent ]
My mistake (4.20 / 4)
Oh, sorry. Are you an actual psychologist?

by OneHitKill on 05/27/2009 08:34:39 PM EST

[ Parent ]
No (none / 0)
but I think I know paranoid when I see it.

"I'm not paranoid, the sock puppets are just out to get me."

by birdboy1 on 05/27/2009 08:53:38 PM EST

[ Parent ]
A hobbyist, then (4.20 / 3)
You should have just said "yes."

by OneHitKill on 05/28/2009 03:05:14 AM EST

[ Parent ]
.....UNLESS (4.20 / 3)
UNLESS.....you are TinyDemon (and I'm not saying you are). He had real issues with everybody on the forum. He called me a conservative apologist or something similar. Obviously troubled. Dude was all over the map.

by OneHitKill on 05/27/2009 10:16:26 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Dude was all over the map (none / 0)
If he was really stretched thin enough to cover the entire map, then yes, he must have been troubled.

by birdboy1 on 05/27/2009 06:04:43 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Occam's Interweb Forum's Razor (none / 0)

To me (speaking as relative newcomer (uhuh!)), it's fairly obvious that there are only 3 people posting on this site: one RW neocon fear mongering Nut, one leftist liberal freedom-hating loonie and one retarded or seriously mental guy who just makes fun of everything and posts asinine and often cynical statements including many pictures and fake polls and such. A little confusing though is the fact that the latter seems to be able to use even many of the former two's accounts. But at least the first two guys are quite consistent on their POV within respective accounts. I admire that very much!

Another thing befuddling me is where to put the Cenk-, Dave- and Ana-characters. Those appear to be the same as those people in the small video-feed (I'm not sure yet if that's cg or real; either way: well done, matrix-masters!), but they seem to be much more intelligent and coherent in written form, so my guess is that those are cooperative endeavors of the 3 guys writing all the other posts, the leftist guy obviously being some kind of editor in chief.

by eborujion on 05/27/2009 07:38:21 AM EST

[ Parent ]
then who? (none / 0)

by birdboy1 on 05/26/2009 10:44:02 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Heck (none / 1)
According to Ken, you are ALL Robrob.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/26/2009 11:29:38 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Now WAIT just a darned minit! (5.00 / 1)
I thought that I was Robrob!  Ken said so!  Are there more of us?

by EveningStarNM on 05/27/2009 12:13:33 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Fuck you, Ken (5.00 / 1)
You abuse the word "promise".  I never promised you anything.

Since you didn't keep your word, I felt no obligation.  Well, actually, I have never felt any obligation to you whatsoever.  But you said you were donating $120 on my behalf to TYT, ostensibly to pay for my membership.

http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2009/4/13/20305/ 7325/4#4

I never received that notice, and my membership expired.  But that's okay.  I've renewed my membership anyway.

by EveningStarNM on 05/27/2009 10:05:54 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Whats this got to do with waterboarding KenTX? (none / 0)
You trying to change the subject  by picking on someone again?

Some may argue that we would be more effective if we sanctioned torture or other expedient methods to obtain information from the enemy. They would be wrong. Beyond the basic fact that such actions are illegal, history shows that they also are frequently neither useful nor necessary.  Certainly, extreme physical action can make someone "talk;" however, what the individual says may be of questionable value...

In everything we do, we must observe the standards and values that dictate that we treat noncombatants and detainees with dignity and respect. While we are warriors, we are also human beings.

You know who said that?

The Great General you where so fond of quoting

Petraeus

Can you think of anyone better qualified to talk Al Queada and torture? Not even.


by Chinese Democracy on 05/27/2009 01:15:41 PM EST

[ Parent ]
well, (none / 1)
everyone except ken and robrob are obviously robrob, so yes, you could say that there are more of us.

by birdboy1 on 05/27/2009 10:28:18 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Wait (none / 1)
Am I me?

I'm soooo confused.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/29/2009 12:18:49 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I know one thing. (none / 1)
I am Spartacus.

by Spencer on 05/29/2009 05:45:50 AM EST

[ Parent ]
No! (none / 0)
You're me.  Uh... no, wait.  I mean I'm you.  Yeah.  That's right.  And -- er, no, wait.  Who is me?

by EveningStarNM on 05/29/2009 07:18:27 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I dont see him around anymore (none / 0)
bobo1 is like Kentx minus the charts and decent grammar. Also he seemed to support the Palestineans, and said racist things about blacks and jews.

by nmaks on 05/24/2009 09:55:56 AM EST

[ Parent ]
in other words (none / 0)
Rush Limbaugh minus the (almost) decent grammar.  In that case, I'm glad he hasn't been here.

by birdboy1 on 05/24/2009 10:01:15 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Bobo got sucked into a black hole (4.20 / 3)
Bobo's grammar was one thing (I could tell you quite a story about the word "hamstring"...ah, good times, good times), but he had a wicked racist streak and he blamed all his formatting errors on his Blackberry. He might as well have walked around with a sandwich board reading, "DON'T BUY A BLACKBERRY."

by OneHitKill on 05/27/2009 10:08:52 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I like bobo better than Kenny boy (none / 0)
why:

- less of a hypocrit, bobo can ackowledge that some of his views are indeed bad or "evil", while Ken like most conservatives can't stand the idea that all of his beliefs aren't virtues

- he uses less circular reasoning

- he doesn't keep repeating (less at least) the same disprooved arguments in consecutive comments

- he doesn't fabricate evidence like Ken to proove his point

- he's less annoying overal  than Ken

give me bobo any day over Ken and TBWA

by callisto on 05/24/2009 02:50:05 PM EST

[ Parent ]
My two cents (none / 0)
Bobo was angry and cynical, call him misanthropic even, but he wasn't a lair.

TWBA seems to post so rarely I haven't been able to formulate an opinion.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/24/2009 06:37:38 PM EST

[ Parent ]
100% agree (none / 0)
just to clarify, I never called him a liar, Ken, yeah, he's a lying sack of elephant dung

by callisto on 05/24/2009 06:55:35 PM EST

[ Parent ]
where did ken (none / 0)
use circular reasoning?

by birdboy1 on 05/25/2009 08:29:54 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Most redundant question ever (none / 0)
I hope that was a joke, if not see title

by callisto on 05/26/2009 10:22:32 AM EST

[ Parent ]
no seriously (none / 0)
I want to know

by birdboy1 on 05/27/2009 10:27:04 PM EST

[ Parent ]
is this him? (none / 0)

by birdboy1 on 05/24/2009 09:54:44 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I loved that movie (none / 1)
Stephen king hits it out of the park sometimes and sometimes  not so much   like Cat People

bobo1 is an old school right winger

White is right

Gay is bad

Liberalism is going to destroy the universe

Less of that and more of  Megan McCain and the Republican party might have a chance at re building.


by Chinese Democracy on 05/24/2009 02:55:26 PM EST

[ Parent ]
How can they argue with the video? (none / 0)
You see the guy get waterboarded

He is a well known conservative radio host ( I cant believe they ruined WLS like that)

He says waterboarding is definately torture  it is drowning. Which he knows a little something about because he drowned as a child.

I read an article by someone that performed waterboarding on the Navy Seals as party of their training say the same thing.  It IS drowning, not simulated. If they go long enough the person being waterboarded will actually drown.

Like Olberman said .. this video makes Hannity pretty much irrelevant.

Now if I just knew where he got the nickname "Man Cow"


by Chinese Democracy on 05/24/2009 03:04:43 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I can't really answer this post (none / 0)
He could be a whimp he could not be, he's just an internet person where anyone can say whatever they want. I guessed four seconds, no real reason, its not extremely low, but less than mancow.

by nmaks on 05/24/2009 09:57:59 AM EST

KEN! (none / 0)
Ken, do you still think we should have done this even though its torture?  If so, why?  If you don't think its torture, then maybe we should see how long you last.

by birdboy1 on 05/25/2009 08:33:09 AM EST

BUSTED!!! Twba? The WaterBoarding Advocate! (none / 1)

by tifosies on 05/25/2009 10:25:52 AM EST

Three days and (none / 0)
Not a single RWnut has posted on this topic.

Why have they gone suddenly silent on their favorite subject?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/25/2009 08:58:07 PM EST

Its cuz they know they lost (none / 0)
The RWers know when they've lost.  One of their own did a 180 when he went to look up facts.  Then they realize "hey, if we shut up about torture, maybe the left won't rub it in our faces too much that we lost."

by birdboy1 on 05/25/2009 09:39:47 PM EST

[ Parent ]
One of their own did a 180 (none / 0)
Are you referring to "Mancow" or did one of the local trolls "see the light"?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/25/2009 11:37:06 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Mancow (none / 0)
First he thought waterboarding was not torture, then he does a little "hands on investigation" and does a 180.  

by birdboy1 on 05/25/2009 11:43:31 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Oh, that's too bad (none / 0)
I thought you were saying one of the local RWnuts had actually accepted reality. One can always hope.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/26/2009 12:02:54 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Twba did a little backpedalling (none / 1)
He now says "Yes, its torture, but we need to torture in order to extract information."  
The only information you can extract from torture is the information you want to hear.  Like Al Quaeda- Iraq links.

by birdboy1 on 05/26/2009 12:36:09 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Typical neo-con (3.50 / 1)
Freely redefine reality whenever it interferes with your philosophy.

"we need to torture in order to extract information"

Guarantee he can't provide a coherent explanation why.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/26/2009 01:09:43 AM EST

[ Parent ]
To Keep us SAFE! (none / 0)
Obviously, the government being able to hold prisoners indefinitely, torture, tap wires without a warrant, and search homes without a warrant keeps us safe!  (He was a wimp on quartering troops)  It worked so well when we were a british colony!

by birdboy1 on 05/27/2009 10:31:03 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Shock Jock Mancow (none / 1)
One of their own did a 180 when he went to look up facts.

Mancow did not look up facts. He staged a fake waterboarding for the publicity and ratings.

by Twba on 06/01/2009 12:29:33 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Twba didn't look up facts, either (4.20 / 3)
Twba, this road you've turned onto is a dead-end. And the building at the end of is the central headquarters of Willful Ignornace Incorporated. Turn back while you still can!

It's much easier to believe that Mancow's waterboarding was real, while the claims that it was fake are the publicity stunt. Dontcha think?

by OneHitKill on 06/01/2009 08:46:42 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I knew the facts from the start (none / 1)
It's much easier to believe that Mancow's waterboarding was real, while the claims that it was fake are the publicity stunt. Dontcha think?

No, I stand by what I said. Mancow's stunt is obviously fake. Watch the real thing and you'll see the difference.

by Twba on 06/05/2009 06:18:34 AM EST

[ Parent ]
The message is the same (4.40 / 5)
Who can blame him for undergoing a kinder, gentler version of the real thing? The real thing is a lot worse, right? He underwent a milder version and HE STILL CALLED IT TORTURE. Whether or not his goal was mere ratings is quite unimportant. Tell you what: You stand by what you said, and I'll stand by what I said, and we'll have lots of fun standing in our respective locations.

by OneHitKill on 06/05/2009 11:05:24 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Mancow's trickery (none / 0)
Penn and Teller undergo a kinder, gentler version of being shot in the face.

by Twba on 06/06/2009 01:15:46 PM EST

[ Parent ]
you are kidding right? (none / 0)
Im glad you flat earthers are an ever shrinking minority.


by Chinese Democracy on 06/06/2009 06:08:54 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Still don't get your point (none / 0)
Are you saying waterboarding is torture or not?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 06/07/2009 12:54:48 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Is waterboarding torture? (none / 0)
I don't see any journalist volunteering to have his fingernails torn out. I certainly have not been made aware of any journalist volunteering to have alligator clips attached to his scrotum so Darth Cheney can place a long distance call to his testicles. But many have been willing to be waterboarded.

by Twba on 06/12/2009 12:49:49 PM EST

[ Parent ]
your point? (none / 0)
You haven't come out and said that waterboarding is or is not torture yet.  What is your stance on waterboarding?  is it torture?  I'd like to assess your sanity so that I know whether or not to argue with you.  

A wise man once said: never argue with an idiot.  The best possible outcome is that you won an argument with an idiot.

by birdboy1 on 06/12/2009 07:49:14 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Fun with Twba logic! (none / 0)
Did everyone know that the moon landing was a hoax?  Same with global warming- just a scam to get people to buy more expensive light bulbs.

By the way, the holocaust- completely fake.  Ditto with Kennedy's assassination- He's alive and well living in Wisconsin

by birdboy1 on 06/01/2009 04:30:18 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Let us know when you've checked out of the asylum (none / 0)
Shafran responded to Gawker via email last night with this comment:

    It was NOT a hoax. Early on when we were looking for someone to waterboard, an email was sent out looking for someone to do it and I mistakenly said it would be staged. That was my mistake and a misunderstanding. But that was early and NOT TRUE AT ALL. It was not staged. NOT AT ALL. When it happened several days later, it was real, honest, actual, not staged. Any info you have was my mistake. THE WATERBOARDING OF MANCOW WAS REAL!!!!!!

What's more, Gawker claims the staff at Countdown with Keith Olbermann knew of the email exchange prior to his booking on Countdown Tuesday night.

An MSNBC spokesperson tells TVNewser, "We were assured by the publicist that this was just a poor choice of words in her haste to find someone to do the waterboarding."

> Update: Mancow responds to Gawker: "We went into this thinking it was going to be a joke. But it was not a joke -- it was horrible. 'Hoax' is probably not the right word, but we did think it was going to be a joke."

> Update 2: Gawker's John Cook also talked with Klay South, the marine who performed the waterboarding: "I know nothing about waterboarding. I had never done it before, I have no formal training in it, and I've never had it done to me. The only thing I knew was what I saw on the internet. I went to waterboarding.org and looked it up. I just did what I was told-poured the water on his face and that was it. I'm probably the last person they should have had do it. I didn't know what I was doing."

> Update 3: Mancow will be a guest on Countdown with Keith Olbermann tonight (Friday) to address the situation.

> Update 4: Tonight's segment below:

by gatekeeper50 on 06/01/2009 05:53:20 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Took about a week (none / 0)
For a brave torture appologist to turn up.


"You may have read by now the official lie about this treatment, which is that it “simulates” the feeling of drowning. This is not the case. You feel that you are drowning because you are drowning—or, rather, being drowned, albeit slowly and under controlled conditions and at the mercy (or otherwise) of those who are applying the pressure. The “board” is the instrument, not the method. You are not being boarded. You are being watered."
 
"I apply the Abraham Lincoln test for moral casuistry: “If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.” Well, then, if waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture."

Christopher Hitchens
http://www.vanityfair.com/p olitics/features/2008/08/hi tchens200808

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 06/02/2009 12:34:33 AM EST

[ Parent ]
That Gawker piece has already been debunked (none / 1)
the writer didn't look up any facts .It was based on an email.

And apparently neither have you.

The Gawker piece claims its "fake" because it wasnt done directly by the CIA or a CIA contractor.

Ask John McCain if it was "fake" .

There is the video

Prove that video was "faked"  post something credible by some expert that says that video is not real.

Is this really all you have? Some debunked tripe from Gawker?


by Chinese Democracy on 06/02/2009 06:55:37 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Gawker = blog (none / 1)
Why is the RWnut quoting it as gospel?

"The Gawker piece claims its "fake" because it wasnt done directly by the CIA or a CIA contractor."

Of course the CIA operatives received their training from military SERE instructors, so just who exactly would the Gawker accept as a "certified water-boarder"?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 06/03/2009 12:30:59 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Six days (none / 0)
And not a peep on this topic from the RWnuts.

Wonder why?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/29/2009 12:20:08 AM EST

to be fair (none / 1)
Twba did answer... He just said something completely insane.

by birdboy1 on 06/02/2009 04:48:39 PM EST

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Sanity (1.50 / 1)
Maybe I had the advantage of first watching the Mancow video with no sound because I was using a computer with no speakers and didn't take the time to locate headphones, so I wasn't distracted by the audio. Maybe I am a little more observant than you. Whatever the reason, I spotted the fakery the first time I watched the video. I waited to see if anyone else would, but I had to be the one to toss a turd in your punch bowl. Sorry.

Watch a real waterboarding and compare it to Mancow's sham.

by Twba on 06/05/2009 06:15:48 AM EST

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One of W's finest quotes used as a signature line (none / 1)

by birdboy --- lol

 

10 top bushisms

 

 

 

by gatekeeper50 on 06/02/2009 07:47:02 PM EST

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yeah I like it (none / 1)
It was the one time W told the truth in all his 8 years

by birdboy1 on 06/02/2009 09:50:10 PM EST

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Trying to have it both ways? (none / 0)

"Mancow's stunt is obviously fake. Watch the real thing and you'll see the difference."

Waterboarding supposedly isn't torture but yet you are ready to post a link of someone proving it IS torture?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 06/05/2009 09:25:24 PM EST

Water bored (none / 0)
Perhaps the ends justified the means.

by Twba on 06/06/2009 01:17:24 PM EST

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Perhaps the ends justified the means? (none / 0)
Not if you are an American.

Duty, honor, country, and all that.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 06/06/2009 01:59:27 PM EST

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