The Messiah Complex: Did liberals and progressives fall for it?

The Messiah Complex:  The thought that elected official Barack Hussein Obama is the savior that will fulfill/solve/change all of Americas problems and concerns along with the world.  In essence he is the second coming of Jesus with an oratorical flair that can melt butter with a fluid sentence.

Track what Obama is doing and the promises he's kept, stalled or broken.

http://www.politifact.org/t ruth-o-meter/promises/rulin gs/promise-kept/

I've been hearing this complex about Barack Obama for over a year now, mainly by conservatives.  The Obama storm was seen in most cities across America and the world, from Seattle to Boston and England to Sydney, the Obama train spread across the world like herpes. People were falling out in the streets, buying every single paraphernalia of Obama, listening to EVERY single word that he said.  Obama was and is like a "rock star" a politician that we really haven't seen since the dawn of the Kennedy era.  Barack Obama is like a modern Robert Kennedy who's vought is to bring change and prosperity to the world.

yeah, but with this came Republican backlash.  Because Obama was a wildfire in politics he posed a threat to the Republican party for President in 2008, because of his likability and charming good looks the Republicans had to do something and so they went on the attack in overdrive, calling him everything from a rock star... to a white black person.  But the question I ask, did people fall for the attacks and not realize it?  Now obviously I'm not talking about ALL the attacks that the Republicans made but I'm talking about stuff like the "messiah complex".  

And the answer is for some if not most.... YES.  Now why would I say that?  well, during Barack Obama's candidacy for President he made over 500 promises... 500.  That's a lot.  He's only been in office for 6 months and along with being in office for 6 months he was handed a shit storm with the economy, a rising social issue (immigration, gay rights), 2 wars... and we all know the rest.   I can't stress, he's been in office for 6 months and people are already loosing faith in Obama because he hasn't fulfilled THEIR political agenda they have lost faith in him.  

Gay rights.  We have all learned about the civil rights movement of the 1960s and we all know how bad that got, change didn't come over night and it didn't come with a flick of a pen by the President.  It took years before change was fully in place and guess what... minorities had to be patient.  Now like i've said in previous blogs, patience is a dirty word, but, in some circumstances it's necessary.  Now I'm not going to go on with the gay rights issue, because that's not what I want to discuss.  I want to talk about the fact that people forget about the political process and that Washington can be a slow city. Obama said that shortly after he got into office.  From what I've noticed from people on the streets of my own city and on the blogs, people had way too much hope on Obama that he could solve EVERYTHING including cancer just by touching it. Again, the messiah complex.  

People need to look at things from a realist point of view and think in logical  political terms and the consequences of the actions that Obama takes.  He's a strategical thinker, if you haven't heard about the Hilary Clinton controversy during the primaries.  Remember Obama isn't the "radical liberal" that the Republicans painted him to be, but I think most people Bill Maher kind of took him for being that.  I'm glad Obama isn't like Bush in the sense that if Obama wants something done he bipasses the political process and just puts his agenda through, no matter the consequences.  aren't you?  

I have my political agendas but if Obama hasn't completed them yet, I understand why and I will judge him by the end of his first term.  Some people have said he's done too much thus far, and some will say he hasn't done  enough. So please, someone tell me what exactly Obama SHOULD be doing now and why you aren't President?  

Politics is not a clear cut forum, there's get this... POLITICS that are played and things don't come as easily.  Now there are some things that Obama has done that I don't agree with, but I'm not going to say I've lost ALL hope in him like some people have stated... and you know who I'm talking about.  

Now, some people won't fall for the 6 month thing, I get it, but let me ask you this... With EVERYTHING going on right now, can you not have some understanding why certain things haven't been overturned?

One thing that comes to mind... warrantless wiretapping, I can't believe that's still going... but for some reason and maybe I'm being biased but Bush/Cheney did things that were obviously illegal and wrong but maybe they had something with the wiretapping, now I understand the law but if Obama is going to continue that program, what is the reason for doing it, what information are we gaining that we must continue it...  I will say I do trust Obama on certain issues but even though we know of the bad coming from the program, what is the reason Obama flip flopped on that decision to continue it?  Now ACLU people would 100% disagree with me and yes I even disagree with myself on this but I just can't help but think maybe something is going on that we don't know about...

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namely, people fell for eight years of Bush...until the economy crashed.

From what I've noticed from people on the streets of my own city and on the blogs, people had way too much hope on Obama that he could solve EVERYTHING including cancer just by touching it. Again, the messiah complex.  

No, not the messiah complex...human nature.

When things are going badly ,people reach out to  anyone or anything that appears to be able to provide them comfort..and dare I say it, hope. That could be booze, religion, a charismatic figure or a bombastic talk show host.

The mechanism is the same for Obama and Rush Limbaugh. Obama gives people hope by doing, Limbaugh by blaming. Nothing new about that. When Obama doesn't do what you think is important then you get discouraged. Nothing new about that either.

Every administration ratings I can remember, and that's quite a few,  went down after the first 6 months or so in office. There are only two choices for President... neither candidate can be all things to all people.

In that regard Obama is picking his battles wisely I think. Hit the big ticket items first while he has significant majorities in both houses of Congress and 50+ polling numbers

Then the "B" list probably after the midterms when statistically he can expect to lose some seats.

His approach to security is wise as well. Going in and scraping existing programs with a machete is not a good idea.

I don't think many people realize how close Reagan came to being a one term president. The recession hung on to well into his third year in office.

Rating On Reagan Lags At Midterm - Gallup Poll Says Public Finds Job Performance Is Poorer Than 4 Predecessors - The New York Times  July 1983

 Also making gaffs like this didn't help:

"I don't know of any authoritative figures that there are hungry children. I've heard a lot of anecdotal stuff, but I haven't heard any authoritative figures...I think some people are going to soup kitchens voluntarily. I know we've had considerable information that people go to soup kitchens because the food is free and that that's easier than paying for it...I think that they have money."

 But the economy took an up turn in late 83 early 84 and the rest is history.

So relax.

by MRFred on 07/02/2009 04:49:43 PM EST

it's human nature and I always suspected during his first year in office, take out the opposition, that people who supported him will either loose touch with Obama or feel disappointed in some way.  Obama is a politician and like I said everyone has an agenda and when Obama doesn't fully live up to his tasks of that particular persons or groups agenda they feel disappointed.

I get everyone's concerns and I am willing to listen and try to come to a common ground on many issues.  I disagree with Obama on several issues (i.e torture prosecution) and I think it doesn't close the doors on that issue until Obama takes a stronger stance on it. I know WE talk about Republicans sticking together on issues that don't make sense and some that do...  But WE also do that in our own party, if Obama doesn't do what WE say then we feel he's disappointed and turned his back on us.  Does that lean into bipartisanship? you can make that argument but that's not what I'm trying to say.

Obama isn't going to be perfect, Obama will disappoint, but what I'm looking at is the BIG PICTURE,  good point bringing up Reagan.  I know the difference and I might get scrutinized for this but I can't help but see some connection between Reagan and Obama, on substance... both handed a bad economy, foreign relations issues, opposition... and so on.  I can't stand Reagan but...  

So people may disagree with me about what I wrote in this blog but everyone has an opinion and I understand Obama's faults and the power he has but... and there will always be a "but".

by Erauprcwa on 07/02/2009 05:50:59 PM EST

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There were ostensibly throngs of people who were in love with Obama because they did think he would cure every one of their problems.  The vast majority of those people are politically novice or ignorant--they don't know that the Congress passes laws, they don't know about the history of Wall Street regulations or the CIA or medicare, they don't follow politics any more than watching the occasional ad during election season, the first presidential debate, and/or gossipy issues (people know that Palin's team overspent on clothes, they know that Obama bowls poorly, they know that "that gay guy from, like, Iowa or wherever, had a wide stance in the bathroom," and they have never heard of Mitch McConnell or Kathleen Sebelius.)  Those people may have lost the feeling of newness that Obama brought a year ago, but they largely are still not paying attention, so either they still love him or they don't, but it is largely irrelevant.  These people are not about to start voting for Club for Growth Conservatives in 2010 or for the freak parade of GOP hopefuls in 2012.

The people who are paying attention largely did not have a "Messiah" complex as regards Obama.  They figured he would be a great president who would be on the side of the people and usher in a new age of productive, re-juvenating policies.  But in theory, people should think that of anyone they elect.  You don't have to be thought of as "Messianic" just because you project a better country under your leadership than under the previous leadership.  If you remember, Bush promised to restore "honor" to the White House, promised to carry forth the strong and humble ideals of America, promised not to engage in expensive programs we couldn't pay for, promised not to nation-build.  People just reasonably expected that Obama might keep a few of _his_ promises.  Not much to ask of a person, let alone a deity.

But people are at best quite nervous about Obama's presidency thus far.  No one (who is paying attention) believed that he would solve all eight major crises facing the US simultaneously (energy, health care, the economy, the nuclear terrorism threat, illegal immigration, education, manufacturing competitiveness, and the environment/climate) and also solve all social ills and restore the Constitution within 6 months.  But a) he is going in the wrong direction on a lot of these issues (handling the banks terribly, inexplicable decisions about the 4th amendment, gay rights, transparency, etc.), b) he seems very reluctant to push hard for almost any Progressive policies (EFCA, single payer health care, drug legalization, cutting the defense budget), c) he has once-in-a-political-lifetim e grass-roots and (mostly) media support AND a friendly Congress AND a decrepit opposition party, and so the clock is ticking very loudly, and d) most presidents get most of their big legislation done in the first year.  It is too distracting (usually) to try for something big during the run-up midterms and re-election season and then permanent lame-duck status.  So these weeks right now matter a ton more than the prospect of him finally getting to something big in March of 2012 or August of 2014 (assuming he is re-elected, which is likely).  6 months is an 8th of his entire first term, and he should be zipping along, giving us some inkling that he will be a good president, that he will do the right thing a year from now when he really _has_ had plenty of time to affect some change if he wants to.

  In addition, Washington is a slow-moving place--yes.  But Obama has the ability to executive-order many things he has not yet.  He could INSTANTLY affect some of the social issues.  He could INSTANTLY change military policy (he is the Commander in Chief).  He could instantly usher in greater transparency, or lean on the DOJ to prosecute torture, etc.  Do I wish Obama would "be more like Bush" when it came to unilaterally pushing through an agenda specifically designed to negate and remedy Bush's mistakes?  Absolutely!  The alternative is that those remedies die a slow, compromised, grandstanded, cowardly death on Harry Reid's desk every single time.  If you believe that Obama's judgment is generally good, why NOT want for him to occasionally use a stroke of the pen to improve the country immediately?

Star Trek the Next Generation was a pretty lousy show in the first season, as were Cheers and the Simpsons.  (Please, no complaints--I have a right to my opinion.)  A few shows take a while to hit their stride, and almost no show is "great" after 13 episodes.  But if you watch the first five episodes of a show and it just isn't compelling in any way, the odds that it will grow into genius are 1 in 1000.  You don't often say "well, let's watch for 4 years and then judge."--you have a pretty good idea from what you have seen thus far.  The seeds have to be of good quality to grow a good tree even if it takes a few years for us to see the tree.

by Milltycoon on 07/02/2009 04:43:35 PM EST

I think that most people voted for Obama we're under the very well crafted but thinly supported ideal that he was somehow different than anyone else who wanted to be president - I don't think he was expected to cure the worlds ills in 6 months, but he could be doing a lot more than he has been - The main reasons that the majority of people voted Obama was 1) He wasn't named Bush and 2) He wasn't a creepy old pedophile type who reminded everyone that he served in Vietnam... Obama better do some thing pretty spectacular while he can in the next 6-8 months, or he's gonna be in a lot of trouble come the midterms in 2010... :)

by bobo1 on 07/02/2009 04:56:49 PM EST

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Maybe your "colon parenthesis smile" is just habit, although sometimes you make a frown.  But what you seem to be saying is "Unless Obama does something really good, i.e. really helping the country, we will get to your smiling result = the public voting out the failed Democratic agenda."  Would you rather have another year of misery and failed policies than see Obama succeed in doing some helpful to the country?  Would you rather see 3 and a half more years of terrible governance and the country continuing to destruct just so you can be "really :)" and possibly get a Conservative into the White House?

Part of the reason this country fails to get better leadership is that no one adheres to the results of elections.  Campaign season starts the day after the election ends.  Republicans did not for one second get behind this president on any issue, even to try to compromise to bills that you are happier with.  You just want to criticize EVERYTHING, vote against everything, urge boycotts, and then ":)" if/when he fails.  I wasn't aware, Bobo, that the new Conservative "patriotism" means hoping for chaos and ruin for America (and actively trying to effect it) in order to try to get back into power and govern as well as Bush and DeLay and Lott did in systematically decaying the government, the environment, the economy, the military, the Constitution, the DOJ, and our international reputation.

You are very happy to agree with a Liberal point of view that also happens to be disappointed with Obama, but you know that is disingenuous.  You know that we think Obama should be a Progressive, not just an object of scorn like you consider him, and that we are not looking for the same kind of goals from him as you are.  So spare me the "I only agree with Liberals when they challenge their own party" BS.  You only like how it looks politically to see conflict among your adversaries.

I wrote in a blog post a couple of months ago how Conservatives can get back into power.  1.  Be more honest, 2.  Be more competent, 3. Be nicer.  Seems like a simple recipe.  More gloating and ":)"'s salivating about Obama failures does none of those things, and there is no WAY mainstream America will look to a bunch of bitter lunatics who do nothing but hope for us all to fail for the next 3 years.
 

by Milltycoon on 07/02/2009 06:37:01 PM EST

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Just to irritate Spencer and Tom - but seriously, I hope Obama fails in his attempt to take over the private sector in lieu of some Soviet style control machine - its bad enough that the corporations have all this control now, just wait and see what happens when we put idiots like John Conyers, Nancy Pelosi, Rahm Emmanuel and Charlie Wrangel in charge of businesses!!! I don't like where we are headed, Millty... I don't like seeing my country weak and exposed and getting worse. As of yet, Obama isn't making it better. He was supposed to make things better - he lied to all of us, even to the "Obamabots"... :)

by bobo1 on 07/02/2009 08:31:54 PM EST

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now I try to be as calm as possible but I don't have patience for people who are fucking stupid.  You my friend, are a dumbass...

let me break it down for you, since that's what you need...

Percentage of American corporate and business assets not held by the United States government is about $39.2 trillion... that estimates at 99.79% of the private sector.  The percentage of American corporate businesses and assets recently nationalized by the United States government estimates at $82.3 billion which is 0.21%

Again, you're a fucking dumbass...  I suggest reading a book... maybe start with "the little engine that could" and then work your way up to adult level.  I'm guessing you didn't vote for him did you? STFU!  

by Erauprcwa on 07/02/2009 11:37:23 PM EST

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I guess you did vote for him - thats why you are so pissed.... 

 :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 10:26:53 AM EST

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You wonder why people treat you like you're full of baloney when even your emoticons are disingenuous?

by bfaul on 07/03/2009 11:23:19 AM EST

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My job here is to make people think and feel uncomfortable in their faulty beliefs, especially fence sitting Liberals - I'm only sorry there's only 2-3 of us who stir any real discussion/emotion here that doesn't end in "All Hail Obama Caesar"... :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 11:42:00 AM EST

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Link one thread here that ends remotely like that!

As long as you don't even watch the show and/or know what real progressives think and say, please: fuck off!

by eborujion on 07/03/2009 11:57:30 AM EST

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It sounds like you are having a real case of "buyers remorse" when it comes to Obama, and you are just looking for someone to lash out at... I'm sorry he's not the Messiah you were hoping for - I would say I told you so, but that would just be pouring salt in your tender wounds... I will allow you to continue to lash out at me, the white man, if you wish, but please remember I am not the cause of your suffering... :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 12:50:46 PM EST

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where is the link I asked for?

by eborujion on 07/03/2009 01:16:24 PM EST

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you only hear about the "messiah complex" from Republicans...  it's like they have to tell themselves to dislike another human being because they can't accept that maybe he's better than who they had running.

by Erauprcwa on 07/03/2009 01:37:34 PM EST

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I don't think there have been many presidencies that have begun by facing so many large emergencies as this one.  I think that he is postponing some of the "smaller" issues (I put quotes around the word smaller because they aren't small to people directly affected) because they may dilute the public's limited attention away from the more urgent, acute issues that affect everyone.   Fundamental change takes time, and I think he is merely being careful.   Sometimes it feels like he's being much too ginger, but it's early yet and I am taking a wait and see attitude.  I think he's trying to turn the train without derailing it, which is probably a lesson he took from the Jimmy Carter years.  My guess is that he will get less and less accommodating to the opposition as time moves on if things don't start to happen.

Many predicted last autumn that we were headed for a depression, and it certainly looked that way for a while.   While a lot of the decisions he has made have seemed like they didn't go far enough, or have gone too far putting us into greater debt, or were too easy on the banks, etc. he can at least make a case that the economy has not collapsed.   It could still happen, and even if it doesn't we may never know if it would have or not, but that's the way it is when you avoid a catastrophe, you can never get full credit because you can never know for sure what would have happened taking a different path.  The same thing will be true of problems like global warming.   If we avoid the worst effects you will never see a day when the critics stop their frantic griping and congratulate those who acted for averting a crisis, they will claim the crisis would never have occurred in the first place.  If it proves catastrophic I suppose those who saw it coming will be small able to say, "I told you so", but that will be small comfort.  C'est la vie.

I think that a man expected to solve so many titanic problems deserves a certain amount of patience.  There are reasons that these issues have been kicked from presidency to presidency without being addressed.  Changing that is very unlikely to happen overnight and with the pantywaist Democratic majority that we have out there it won't be easy even taking it slowly. In any case I think it's way too soon to draw any conclusions. 

by bfaul on 07/02/2009 04:56:50 PM EST

you took everything I said and displayed it better than I did... that's the essence at which I was trying to tap into.  

Your first paragraph was spot on.  I more or less was talking about these social issues that we have going on in the country like gay marriage and all.  The economy is up for debate and a big one at that.  but that was perfect and that's exactly how I see it... does this mean we give Obama a pass on everything? no, but I would like to use some common sense and historical background with some of these issues to decide whether or not Obama is not doing ANYTHING or he's being careful, notice during these first six months he's tried to stay away from issues like torture, gay marriage, immigration, etc... not because they're not important but because they distract from the bigger problem and that's the economy.

The Global Warming reference you made was PERFECT and a great way to sum up Obama's presidency thus far, when things are going good he won't receive credit because people don't realize that if he did nothing it might have been worse, but we will never know that.  lol, I'm gonna have to use that now:-)

by Erauprcwa on 07/02/2009 05:59:19 PM EST

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we've seen in many elections where candidates are treated like cult figures. It's mostly new voters who came out for Ross Perot,  Millionaire Flat-Taxer steve Forbes, and the most recent "cult-of-personality&q uot; Ron Paul.

That said, to imply that the majority of Democrats are enamored with Barack Obama just isn't true. Just look at the numbers because he almost didn't win the nomination. The fact is that Bush and Cheney were so corrupt, so incompetent and such an embarassment that anyone who ran against then would be a breath of fresh air.

I for one have some issues with President Obama.  

by Jimdish255 on 07/02/2009 06:07:28 PM EST

"I for one have some issues with President Obama."

as you should...
I mean nobody should be in 100% total agreement with their elected official. There are of coarse issues that I disagree with Obama on or thinks he should be stronger but I will not come out and say, I'm disappointed or Obama is a failure...

Because of GWB/DICK, you are right, Republicans were screwed no matter what and it helped Obama that the Republican party was spiraling out of control and John McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate, Plus the economy helped.  But, I can't stress that I had these feelings during the campaign. and somebody I think it was mrfred made a good point that nobody knows what the right thing to do about the economy right now.  What Obama is doing may be the right thing to do... I mean the economy hasn't collapsed thus far it was said a couple months ago back in November that we were on the brink of another Depression...  I'm still waiting:-/  but we've seen signs, not great signs, but good signs considering the times that the economy is turning around and consumer spending has increased.

From all the people who criticize Obama (Republicans) I have yet to see a valid plan for bringing us out of the problems that we face.  I read their proposals and from an economic standpoint it makes the economy MORE unstable and WILL lead us to greater deficits and on the verge of collapse.  

by Erauprcwa on 07/02/2009 11:47:16 PM EST

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Reported by Fox News (so take it whatever way you want) reported that people in the African American community were disappointed with Obama for not saying anything about Michael Jackson's death. They showed Obama during an interview giving his feelings on MJ and his death.

I'm African American and I could care less what Obama thought about Michael Jackson.  

This goes back to what I was talking about. Why do we care about what Obama thinks about these pop culture issues?  I mean, the media has an agenda and that's to get ratings, obviously.  But are we as a country the citizens so invested into knowing every single detail about what our President (Obama) thinks and feels?  In some ways I feel Obama is being forced into some of these stupid useless "news" reports on giving his opinion on Michael Jackson's death,  giving his choices for March Madness on his bracket, Obama swatting a fly, what kind of Dog Obama gets... hypoallergenic.  and so on...  

I have never seen a President in my lifetime and through my learning about American history who has had THIS much attention on some useless issues.  I think I'm getting to the point where it's too much Obama kind of like right now, TOO much Michael Jackson...  ALL day news coverage on Michael Jackson on EVERY news network.  I didn't realize the Iranian conflict and all the other problems in the country have been taken over by gossip "news" and more information about Mark Sanford (his story is interesting but it's getting to the point where it's TOO much)

What ever happened to journalism in this country?  It's like all news organizations today have turned into TMZ or People magazine.  

by Erauprcwa on 07/02/2009 06:09:05 PM EST

I'll admit that I did fall for the Obama is the Messiah storyline a little bit. It felt romantic (in the ideal sense, not the love sense) to have this good looking, intelligent, thoughtful man of principle who was going to sweep away all the bad caused by Bush and the Conservatives for the last eight years. I have been a Democrat literally since I was five years old, and I have been a Liberal since I was 15. I'm 35 now, but in all that time I had never fallen in love with a candidate the way I did with Obama. I desperately wanted, and perhaps needed, him to be a man of strong convictions who would defeat brainless Conservatism at every turn.

Unfortunately, in the six months he has been in office I have seen him capitulate too many times to the Conservative line of thinking in the guise of "bipartisanship". I don't WANT bipartisanship if it means capitulation. I want bipartisanship if it means that Obama was successful in convincing some Conservatives that they were HORRIBLY wrong and need to allow Liberals to push our agendas forward. If an idea is a good idea, you should be able to convince a logical person to see your side and hopefully sway them. The fact that this isn't what goes on in Washington seems indicative of a host of problems with our government (lack of intellect of elected officials, corruption, blind competitiveness of the two political sides).

And, I don't expect Obama to fix everything in six months. But what I do expect is that he will, on a consistent basis, show that he is living up to the standards that he convinced us that he believed in, such as transparency in government. He has regularly sided with those who want to continue to keep the truth hidden from the population, such as the torture photos, and not being interested in pursuing the criminal acts of Bush and Cheney.

We NEED a fully transparent government if we are to ever be able to fully trust it, and its claim that it has our best interests in mind. Part of the reason people are skeptical of things like the stimulus plan and healthcare reform is because we don't have clear evidence that the government is trying to do what is best for the people on the street. Transparency and a  willingness to go after Bush and Cheney to show that NO ONE is above the law would go a long way to gaining the people's trust.

by aperry on 07/17/2009 11:35:57 PM EST

It was a failed attempt.  We do have dumb politicians that really are about making money and playing politics.  I hope Eric Holder really pushes for an investigation on torture and the CIA mess that's going on now.  

Obama's walking a tough line right now, so many eyes on him, it doesn't help that the media has more access or there eyes on Obama more than they've had on ANY other President since the Kennedy's, which means if Obama sneezes wrong, everyone and their grandmother will know.  

It seems this healthcare debate is riding tough trying to get done before the August recess.  but your statement "And, I don't expect Obama to fix everything in six months. But what I do expect is that he will, on a consistent basis, show that he is living up to the standards that he convinced us that he believed in, such as transparency in government. He has regularly sided with those who want to continue to keep the truth hidden from the population, such as the torture photos, and not being interested in pursuing the criminal acts of Bush and Cheney."  was perfect, I think that's what we all, sane minded individuals want from Obama.

by Erauprcwa on 07/18/2009 12:07:19 AM EST

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