07/02/2009 06:12:11 PM EST

Reverse Racism 2: Bobo - The New Racism

posted by LimelightVP

"Blacks must be assimilated.... Resistance is futile."
                          -Bobocutos
                           Borg Leader

This started out as a response to Bobo's stupidity, but it got so long I had no choice but to go ahead and make this it's own topic. Basically this all started with another blog on the page called "Reverse Racism", the writer making the argument that Jamie Foxx saying at the BET Awards that Michael Jackson was part of the black community and was on loan to the world was totally reverse racism and whatnot. Ridiculous, but not my main beef.

The Problem started when Bobo decided to respond to someone else's comments and talk about how mean it was of black people to keep acknowledging their black and that racism exists...

http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2009/7/2/95041/6 9011/7#7

Read it for yourself so you can see the context, but otherwise know these comments are in response to what he had to say:

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Let me further translate for Bobo, who could make his racism sound totally reasonable if not for those like me with a finely tuned bullsh*t detector.....

"Wha, wha, wha, wha wha!!! Stop reminding us that for years, in one form of another, the system that subjugated, degraded, minimized and disrespected you people was set up by white America and for a very long time allowed to continue either through their active participation or through their apathy. Wha, wha, wha, wha, wha..."

(I could point out now that many, many in white America also help tear down that system, but since bobo is a republican, therefore not into the whole "fact based" thing, I'll just move on with the translation.....)

"Wha, wha, wha, wha, wha... stop trying to say you're different and that your experience living in this country as an African American can be burdensome. Though.... when you think about it... How the f*ck would I know? I've never walked a step in your shoes so truthfully who the hell am I to say it isn't true when clearly I don't have the means to either know or ever find out? Wait, that was logical thought! Oh crap, must return to Republican roots! Wha, wha, wha, wha, wha.... Ahhhhhh, that's better."

Chris, Yasmine... just ignore him. He doesn't know how his "logical and reasoned" argument reveals his own ignorance and bigotry. Here, I'll show you by answering a few of his questions...

I want you to imagine having a "White History Month" taught at your childrens schools, smattered all over the TV and Video stations and grilled down your throat everytime you turn on your computer...

Yeah, here's the thing Bobo. I don't have to imagine that. Have you ever seen the history channel and others do a history on Africa? Maybe a few times... probably in February, you know, for some strange reason.... Otherwise you're unlikely to hear word one about the subject.

Morever, as far as teaching white history... Genius, have you never seen a World History text book? Aside from a stray paragraph here or there you'll never hear anything about Africa in them... until of course Europeans arrive, conquer and decimate the continent that is. Otherwise it's all Europe and the America's. Newsflash, other than Black History month it's ALL white history.

For example, CNN produced a show a while back called "Black in America". Now they are coming out with "Black in America 2" - Where's "White in America", Chris? Where's the equality?

Man...you are extraordinarily dense. Where's the equality? I'm going to go out on a limb and say.... THAT'S WHAT THE F*CK THEY WANTED TO KNOW!!! Where is the damn equality? Yeah, again, I totally know that "giving us" (as I'm sure is your estimation) a black President was throwing us a bone and all and was, of course, the end of racism in America. The only problem is,well... you know... it wasn't.

Shockingly the world didn't change overnight. As a matter of fact not only have we seen an increase of right wing extremism, but racist organizations like Stormfront and others have seen their memberships rise. Several people have already been arrested for plotting to harm the President and it's barely been in for 6 months. And none who threaten say he shouldn't be president because of his party, they say it's because of his race. But, I mean other than that racism is totally gonzo.

I dont like this seperation any more than you do Chris - I am a firm believer in the ideals of Dr. King and "The Dream" that he had. Dr. king did not want Black history Month. Dr. King did not want the Ebony or Essence or Jet awards. Dr. king wanted all of us to be UNITED under one banner, children playing together and being unified, not seperated and building hate by purposefully segregating their thoughts and beliefs...

Do me and the rest of the world a favor and don't ever do Dr. King the dishonor of quoting him ever again. So.... Dr. King would have objected to Jet Magazine? Really? Wow, well that makes this picture kind of odd...

http://www.flickr.com/photo s/vieilles_annonces/2039568 720/

Dr. King didn't have a problem with anything exclusively aimed at black people. Dr. King had ZERO problem with the "Negro Community" being empowered and independent. He simply wanted it's citizen to get the same respect as any other American citizen in spite of their differences from the majority. If he wanted them to be good little boys and girls and just go about being super duper nice until white folks liked them he wouldn't have organized boycotts and protests so the world could see them flex their olitical and financial muscle.

While I have a funny feeling Dr. King wouldn't have particularly cared for BET itself based on it's crappy and inane programming that sometimes feeds into ugly stereotypes, however he would always have been in favor of what the BET, Essence, NAACP Image and numerous award shows are meant to do. Putting POSITIVE images of African Americans doing positive things in the media to combat the ugly, bigoted stereotypes that exist to this day.

So, in conclusion, before you open your mouth again, why don't you do this... Ponder why you have such a problem with "Black" award shows. Most could care less, just another award show with more nifty fake gold statues. So why for you is it some sort of declaration of hate for America and white folks everywhere? Why is it that black history month bugs you? For most it's just an acknowledgment of the facts that were and still are often skipped over, not some kind of personal attack or insult. Why is it you resent the idea that a community can be unique or different from yours? Why is that so threatening?

Actually, don't bother answering. I already know why, but here's the thing. I know it'll be a hard concept for you to understand, but I'll state it anyway with the hopes that one day it'll sink in....

I don't have to forget who I am, where I come from or the history that brought me to be who, what and where I am just to make you more comfortable with me. More importantly pride in who I am does not mean I suddenly hate who you are. Acknowledging our differences isn't building a wall, talking about and acknowledging them openly is actually breaking down walls. Why? Because your more likely to fear what you don't know, rather than what you do. Here it is in a nutshell....

Equality and assimilation are NOT the same thing.

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Is it okay then,... (none / 0)
...if we have a White Entertainment Television Awards show?

How about a White History Month?

What part of having a color-blind society is so difficult for you to grasp?  I know that blacks can tolerate a bit more direct, unprotected sunlight than whites can.  I know that blacks get sickle-cell anemia.  Other than that, the only way we're going to get beyond the issue of skin color is to actually ignore it.

The way to solve any disparities that may exist between predominantly black and predominantly white communities is to address the disparities in the distribution of services, such as education and other tax-funded programs, to different geographical areas on a per-population basis.  Sure, that would mean your skin color wouldn't matter anymore in the eyes of the law, but if that's not what you want then you're complaining to the wrong person.

Are you worried that not enough blacks are mentioned in our history text books?  You might be right.  I'm sure that until we actually achieve color blindness that some remedial measures will be needed.  We might need members of different communities to collaborate on writing our history books.

Are you concerned that blacks won't be proportionally represented in student populations at universities?  You might be right.  But the solution is not to admit students with lower test scores just because they're black..  Instead, we must make sure the tests used to admit them have no unnecessarily discriminatory cultural references in them, and that students in predominantly black communities receive the same education as students in predominantly white communities.

Eventually, we might end up with "predominantly mixed" communities.

If you want to celebrate a culture, on the other hand, I'm all for it.  But you'll have to stop discriminating on the basis of race in all matters in order to get my respect.

by EveningStarNM on 07/02/2009 06:37:19 PM EST

this isn't how affirmative action works (none / 0)
"But the solution is not to admit students with lower test scores just because they're black"

Believe me, you have to get high scores as a black person to use affirmative action, it just means the schools will actually look at your test scores.  Most of the blacks that get into white schools are not at the "bottoms" of their classes at all, and if anything, the blacks that make it into college and graduate are at a much higher academic standard than the "average" student.  There are just tons of blacks that never make it into college because they don't try.  Affirmative action will NEVER help those people because they don't want to help themselves.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/02/2009 07:29:52 PM EST

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Agree and Disagree (none / 0)
"Most of the blacks that get into white schools are not at the "bottoms" of their classes at all."

We sometimes hear people say that blacks -- or women, or hispanics, or name-your-minority-here -- have to be better than whites to get ahead.  While I don't have any objective data to support that, my purely anecdotal experience is that it's true.  But the racist right uses it as a talking point that "oh, those poor self-pitying minorities are so abused because they have to actually work to get ahead!"  For that reason alone, I'm willing to assume that minorites do, in fact, have to be better than whites to get ahead.  But then I already despise the right, and when they get racist, well...

"There are just tons of blacks that never make it into college because they don't try.  Affirmative action will NEVER help those people because they don't want to help themselves."

I'm not so sure that "they don't want to help themselves".  The problem with long-term oppression is that an oppressed population comes to believe that there is nothing they can do to help themselves, so it's no use even trying.  Is it any surprise that some people feel so beaten down that they have simply surrendered?  That many of them may have developed racial prejudices in response may be merely symptomatic of the greater problem.

But that racism makes solving the problem more difficult, and that's why I think it's important that we begin right now, today, to ignore skin color in all our affairs.  There are much better and more efficient ways to address the problems that remain from slavery: poverty and not enough education.

by EveningStarNM on 07/02/2009 08:14:08 PM EST

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One more thing (none / 0)
If we have an affirmative action program based on poverty or on the relative prosperity of a community in which a child was raised, I'm all for reserving a certain number of admissions to a university for such children even though they might have lower test scores than others.  First of all, if a kid that was raised in a ghetto wants to try to make it in higher education, we already know that kid is motivated.  Second, we have to consider that the lack of opportunity that kid faced in getting an adequate education was not his or her fault.  And because of those two factors, it's reasonable to assume that, with a little remedial help, the kid can make the grade.

I think it's important that we give any kid who wants a chance to succeed the opportunity to do so.  It doesn't matter what race the kid is.

Here's a stimulus program that Obama should consider: let's build more universities.

by EveningStarNM on 07/02/2009 11:07:08 PM EST

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Obama proposed need based AA (none / 0)
and that was one of the main reasons I think he is a unifier.  Personally, i do think some blacks have let a stereotype dictate their thinking about themselves, and they are weak.  They can overcome that mental oppression, because they imposed it on themselves.  Those are NOT the blacks that graduate from college, and if you look at college scores from blacks, the white-black test gap starts to disappear.  It's in lower level education because inner city kids are forced to go to school, and no body makes them go on to college.  Many of them wouldn't make it/deserve a college degree because they aren't willing to put in the work.  I personally KNOW that a GED can get a person to a PHD, so there is literally no excuse but personal motivation.  It's the same for blacks and whites.  There are studies that show a black child raised in a white house will score the same as a white child raised in the same white house.  Obviously there are cultural biases on tests, but I am talking about lazy people of all colors.  I will not let a generation of young black men off the hook because they didn't feel like they didn't have the right "role model".  I don't believe for a second that the "oppressed population" will give up, because if that were true blacks wouldn't have gotten this far today.  What I'm saying is, we have to realize that some people are fucking stupid and lazy, black, white, etc...I'm not saying the CHILDREN are the stupid ones, but the teenage, undisciplined, self-imposed ignorant youth.  These are not ALL black youth, and probably pan out like the bell curve.  I'm saying these AREN'T the kids that seek out the colleges, so they're not the ones that use affirmative action for college.  That's why the blacks using affirmative action aren't the blacks who have the low test scores.  That's what I was trying to clarify.

I think we should always be building more universities, but what Obama really needs to do is make a deal with MTV, BET, Nickelodeon, Disney, and any other child TV network so that children's entertainment is more positive.  Have you watched Disney lately?  It's basically an instruction manual on how to hate your family, and become a self-righteous snitch.  I DARE you to watch a Disney tv show that doesn't include needless family degredation.  Disney has made parents trust their label so much they have stopped watching.  If Disney isn't advertising it's newest line of toys to a kid through a "cartoon", it's teaching the kids how to rebel and run away to their grandparents when their single dad comes down on them too hard with rules...it's really fucking up America's youth.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/03/2009 12:46:08 AM EST

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As an old dead white guy once said... (none / 0)
"Thou doth protesteth too loudly" - William Shakespere... A couple days back and I already have a post named after me (again). I must have hit it right around the mark to get you all riled up like that! Let me ask you a question, Limelight... When is enough enough? What will it take for you to be satisfied with who or what you are in order not to need to be recognized simply by your race/ethnicity? When will you learn that if you don't have to assimilate, or become white, in order to be an American. Why isn't enough just to be an American? :)

by bobo1 on 07/02/2009 06:37:21 PM EST

Quote abuse (4.00 / 4)
"Thou doth protesteth too loudly [sic]" - William Shakespere

"That's because thou dost bullshit too muchly." - OneHitKill

Bobo, take a look at your own record. There is a reason you have become known around here as "The Racism Guy."

by OneHitKill on 07/02/2009 07:05:13 PM EST

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Im not too worried about it, Jesse... (none / 1)
I don't feel I'm a racist - I'm just telling it as I see it, and have yet to find many here that can answer simple questions about race without going into page long diatribes or having their feelings explode on the keyboards - these issues can't be fixed by ignoring them and not talking about them, so let's talk about them - shall we? :)

by bobo1 on 07/02/2009 07:11:17 PM EST

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Why talk about anything with you? (none / 0)
What is the point?

You are either

A  an ignorant asshole for real

B  playing an ignorant asshole to bait people

I will tell tiny hi

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 07/02/2009 08:58:33 PM EST

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hahaha (none / 0)

"That's because thou dost bullshit too muchly."

 

I'm not going to get involved, but I just want to say that this probably the funniest thing I've seen on a thread so far.

by stevewatto on 08/09/2009 04:51:06 PM EST

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Congrats (none / 1)

You know you have arrived when you get a blog all about YOU YOU YOU. Its all about you.

I am disappointed...it took two whole days after you got back for you to piss in someones Wheaties. Your slipping

I missed all the stuff Limelight was talking about. Geez you sound like a racist prick. I am not sure what getting all bothered about Black History Month, Latino History Month, or any of the hundreds of other 'days' that recognize one group or another accomplishes.

What will it take for you to be satisfied with who or what you are in order not to need to be recognized simply by your race/ethnicity

Our country recognizes people, either positively or negatively, for there race/ethnicity all the time. Italians are criminals, mafia, Irish...drunks,Latinos...il legals and gang bangers. Asians are sneaky and smart. Blacks are violent criminals, rappers or play sports. White folks live in the burbs have funny non threatening black and gay friends. Mean evil businessmen  industrialists and poluters are always old white men.

I know these things because I see them on the TV. So do the kids .

Our country is chock full of organizations, clubs, magazines, TV shows, cable channels churches , commercial products that are based on race/ethnicity. Why should blacks be any different?

Whites have there own identity holiday and organization...it happens every Sunday and is called NASCAR, or is that only for white rednecks?

 

by MRFred on 07/02/2009 11:18:24 PM EST

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I know that I'm treading on dangerous ground (none / 0)
"I am not sure what getting all bothered about Black History Month, Latino History Month, or any of the hundreds of other 'days' that recognize one group or another accomplishes."

Some of those "months" are racist, but some focus on culture.  Latino History Month, for instance, is an open invitation for several indian nations and people with several different skin colors to participate.

For Black History Month, you get honors only if you're black.  That would seem to justify the existence of a White History Month, and as a person with lily white skin, I can't think of a worse reason to celebrate.

The problem is that we pay attention to skin color.  Black History Month focuses that attention just as much as a White History Month or a Red History Month or a Yellow History Month.  They focus on race rather than culture.

We need to start ignoring race in all of our affairs, and that includes dumping Black History Month, which I understood but always thought was a bad idea.  If there's some way to celebrate the accomplishments of people whose ancestors lived in Africa and whose cultural heritage comes from Africa, then maybe we could do that.  In fact, I would be all for it because I enjoy most African music.  We could even call it African Heritage Month.

See?  That wasn't so difficult, was it?  It does the same thing but ignores race, and that's how we start becoming color blind.

by EveningStarNM on 07/02/2009 11:43:04 PM EST

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I think your missing the point (5.00 / 1)

Black History Month, Latino History month...draw opposition from conservatives because they represent political empowerment. When these groups are empowered and active conservatives loose power, pure and simple. When you buy in to the myth of "we are all Americans" what you are in effect saying is the only way to be American is to emulate the white culture..that's the 'code" pushed by conservatives. I'm surprised you buy into that crap.

Race is culture, it is an integral part of a cultural identity, inseparable. They go hand in hand so you cant force a color blind society...it will take years and is happening as we speak.. Discrimination laws only get the ball rolling..it forces the groups to work together. 

A color blind society will happen primarily in the bedroom.  Latinos and Blacks Asians integrating with the White culture by marriage or vice versa..children and most of all....language and education. We will have a bilingual society by default no matter how people try an fight it.

It will happen in the culture...restaurants, television. I suspect that in 50 years or so..assuming the earth isn't destroyed by the global warming "myth" it will be very difficult to tell who is who except for the hard core Republicans white bread motherfuckers..:)


 

by MRFred on 07/03/2009 11:05:28 AM EST

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The Republican white bread motherfuckers (none / 0)
will be holed up in caves in Idaho talking about a comeback.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 07/03/2009 11:14:51 AM EST

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African Heritage Month... (none / 0)
..., is "buying into" the idea that the only way to be American is to emulate "white culture"?

First of all, I'm not talking about "being American".  America is composed of many cultures, and it doesn't matter if the right wing doesn't want to acknowledge that.

Midwestern American culture*, which is the culture in which I was raised, is unique in the world, although it may dominate our country for now.  Yes, it's predominantly white because mostly whites live there, but there are a lot of blacks and even hispanics who identify themselves as members of that culture.  To not consider them as being members of that culture or to exclude them from membership in that culture because of their skin color, which is what you are doing, is racist.

When I go to LA, on the other hand, I sometimes feel like a fish out of water.  When I was younger I wondered why my cousins, who are third-generation residents of the area, were acting "black", until I learned that they weren't acting, and their skin color was irrelevant to what they thought was "normal" behavior.

Of course, my cousins who's families have lived in Alabama for seven generations are right-wing idiots lacking any ethics whatsoever, but that's a feature of that whites-only culture.  I despise their behavior as much as the behavior of people who seek to promote a blacks-only culture.

Equating culture with race is not only immoral, it's also a good way to get people killed.

I agree that there are many residents of this country who do not "feel like" Americans and that a universal feeling that "We are all Americans" might not be a realistic goal to strive for.  Hell, racial equality might not be a realistic goal.  But I'm not talking about being American.  I'm not talking about assimilating cultures, which happens no matter what we do -- I think that in a hundred years, my culture will be a minority culture on this continent.

I'm talking about reducing strife by ignoring skin color.

There are things that I don't like about some cultures.  Ludefisk, for instance, is an abomination unto God, and it's a wonder to me that more people don't get killed in crashes at polka dances.  But that has nothing to do with skin color.  Black polka dancers -- and I've seen them -- are just as dangerous as white polka dancers.

And I agree that Black History Month may have had an empowering effect for blacks, although I don't understand how people can think that power can be found in skin color when it is inherent, instead, in culture.

But just because the right wing, a predominantly but not exclusively white subculture, many of whose members are also members of other cultures, abuses a concept to create fear among its white members does not mean that the importance of culture over race should be ignored, or that race should not be ignored when identifying cultural membership.  A culture may be composed primarily of members of one race, but if you exclude considering others as members of that culture simply because of their race, you deprive them of their heritage, and of their choices about how and where they want to live.

That's racism.  I thought we'd generally agreed that racism is immoral.  If it is, then we need to stop focusing on skin color in all our affairs.

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* Not being a sociologist, I'm not sure that I've identified my culture correctly, but you get the idea.

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 12:23:09 PM EST

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Ok...with due respect, RTFP (5.00 / 1)
When you buy in to the myth of "we are all Americans" what you are in effect saying is the only way to be American is to emulate the white culture..that's the 'code" pushed by conservatives. I'm surprised you buy into that crap.

Bobo's objection is because race threatens him. Conservative objection is because minorities tend to vote Democratic threatening them. Attacking the patriotism of racial identity is a method of demonizing minority culture and attempting to create a narrative that conservative values, ie white and christian and European based are inherently "American"

Equating culture with race is not only immoral, it's also a good way to get people killed.

That's kind of silly to be honest with you and a bit over dramatic. Your attempting to deny the obvious and assign a negative connotation that doesn't exist.

No matter I don't see any of the identity politics as a problem because in my travels and residing outside the US I have been the minority; white, Christian or both. You go with the flow.

by MRFred on 07/03/2009 01:46:59 PM EST

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Equating culture with race (none / 0)
You're a smart man.  I think that concept is going to simmer in your mind for a while.

Sometimes we don't see it right away, but the illogic of it and the consequences of doing it are inescapable.  While it's very easy to make that equation, all you have to do is look out the window to see that it doesn't make sense to do.

Rwanda, for instance, was such a case.  The reason that people of opposing sides, neighbors, were able to sleep in each others' homes to save their lives was because they were of the same culture, despite what the instigators of the genocide wanted others to believe -- and believed themselves.

A bit "over dramatic", you say?  How many people have to die from that error in thinking before we can finally abandon it?

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 02:51:00 PM EST

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One other thing: (none / 0)
Does "going with the flow" mean changing your skin color or changing your behavior to comport with the local culture?  Would you be accepted in a different culture if you were the same race as the majority population but you still acted like an arrogant American?

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 03:10:01 PM EST

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nothing scares a conservative more (none / 0)
than a black man being the only one in the elevator when the door opens.

They operate on fear which progresses to paranoia

Limbaugh prays on that every day

If we dont do this this will happen

he never has an answer

he just pushes the fear button and holds it.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 07/03/2009 03:31:46 PM EST

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Not to get... (none / 0)
...really into this argument, because I am confident you and I will argue about many other things in the future and we should save some of that for my real hot button issues (and racial progress isn't really one of them), but just because people get riled up by your remarks does not by definition make them true or worthy (unless your point is to instigate fiery reactions rather than to shed light on an issue).   If I said that the Conservative Movement was the current American propaganda arm of Al Queda, and you objected to that and emotionally told me how wrong I was, that wouldn't mean "I must be right" just because you decided to tell me off.  Sometimes posts are just stupid/ignorant/galling/ hypocritical/insane and need to be denounced as such.  I blasted Governor Palin for her outrageously mean-spirited, disingenuous, victim-centric, arrogant, cynical and stupefyingly unqualified VP campaign.  You aren't going to tell me that because I figured that the most insulting, embarrassing, buffoonish national ticket campaign in modern American history deserved copious paragraphs of scorn and lament and derision, in reality she must have been right about everything she said and did.  Sometimes the absolute shamefulness of a politician like that demands virulent commentary.  Don't get into the ridiculous Conservative pundit habit of assuming that the world's reactions revolve around the points you make, and the winner is the one who causes the most people to be disgusted by you.

by Milltycoon on 07/03/2009 01:51:50 AM EST

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Two Views on Affirmative Action and Racism Stuff (none / 0)
You can have a Black History Month and AT THE SAME TIME explain to students why you need a Black History Month and how in a perfect world (one which we seek to approach) we won't need a BHM, but that for now it serves a helpful function.  You can even recognize that BHM is a bad idea in theory, but understand that it serves a useful function in the present.

Next, I am annoyed at these elitists who only talk about affirmative action as a program to get black kids with lower grades into schools.  Elitists went to college, so they obsess on that.

Do the elitists (liberal or otherwise) realize that there is a world outside of their own direct experiences?  There are civil service jobs at various levels all over the country in which there is a legacy and a present of not hiring minorities. (I presume the New Haven, CT fire department is one such place.)  If these departments don't hire black people, then a circumstance or needs-based affirmative action program won't do any good.  The whole POINT is to implement a race-based affirmative action program to get minorities into these positions.

David

by yturks on 07/03/2009 01:40:20 PM EST

Good and bad ideas (none / 0)
I absolutely agree that Black History Month served a valuable purpose, even though it was a flawed concept.  And I'm not saying that it doesn't serve a useful purpose today.  I'm just proposing that maybe it's time to move to a less racially focused celebration of that culture.  Maybe it's not yet time to do that, I don't know.  But someone has to make that proposal, and it might as well be me.

As for being an "elitist" and focusing on affirmative action in education rather than in all aspects of our lives, sure.  I will certainly give examples that are obvious to me, with which I have experience, and that are of value to me.  That doesn't mean, however, that I've ignored all of the other places that racial discrimination can occur.  It just means that I might not have the time to write about all of them.

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 03:01:00 PM EST

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And let's talk about... (none / 0)
...race-based affirmative action later.  But I'll probably just quote from the Constitution when we do.

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 03:21:35 PM EST

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elitism (none / 0)
Of course I'm kind of kidding when I threw out the elitism accusation, and in any case, I was referring more to Cenk than to EveningStarNM.

David

by yturks on 07/05/2009 03:58:53 AM EST

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Shucks (none / 0)
And here I was hoping that someone actually thought I might be elite in some way.

by EveningStarNM on 07/05/2009 07:17:06 AM EST

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