The Rednecks of Santa Barbara?

What regional stereotypes do you have?

I have an issue America. I feel the South gets unfairly portrayed as the epicenter of racism in our country. After watching the July 20 episode of TYT I feel I’ve gained valuable insight into a possible explanation.

There are cultural differences between the South and the rest of the nation that make it easy for people in say, California, to marginalize southerners. I only use California as my example because my audience in this case is Californians (TYT specifically). My theory was given legs by Cenk on Monday. UCSB soccer player Eric Frimpong was seemingly the victim of racism in a clear failure of our court system when he was convicted on bullshit evidence. The jury in this case should have their asses kicked for convicting this kid. I am putting words in Cenks mouth but at roughly 01:35:40 in the July 20 episode it seems Cenk gave the jurors a pass on the grounds that they were basically good hearted people who simply didn’t relate to the black defendant and the court should have done a better job providing a jury of Eric’s peers. Balderdash. Can I presume then that the all white jury in the Jena 6 case were good hearted people who just didn’t relate to the black defendants? I know the two cases are not equivalent; I’m just trying to illustrate a point.

Do racists live in the south? For sure, but I bet if you really got to know the people in the elite gated communities and yacht clubs in self proclaimed progressive places like Santa Barbara, Cape Cod etc. you would find just as many racists as you would in small, economically depressed southern towns. In other words, racists are racists whether they live in a Santa Barbara mansion or a Louisiana trailer park. No difference in my eyes.

I apologize to Cenk for busting his balls, I don’t think he meant to condone the jury’s racism and I realize I took him out of context. I just think that people are slow to admit that something as ugly as racism is ubiquitous in our country and prefer to pretend that it is largely confined to the culturally anomalous south.

I guess this topic is important to me because I’m from the south and whenever I spend time on the east or west coast I always have to tolerate bizarre questions about what its like to live in Arkansas. There are many ridiculous regional stereotypes people hold. I recall TYT covering the Redneck Olympics from an episode last week. There are some people who believe that is a literal representation of most southerners. To summarize, judge the man not the zip code.


P.S- I just joined as a TYT member a few weeks ago and love having access to the all the audio and video on demand. The modest monthly fee is definitely worth it. Keep up the good work.

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I am from Canada...and I do not live in an overtly racist area. But there is racism indeed.

The same kind as you would find in the south, in California, or in my extended family's living room.

So I, for one, don't consider the south as the epicentre at all.

I consider Gross Stupidity, as the epicentre of racism. Whites suffer from Gross Stupidity the most, imo, however, of courrrrse other races also suffer from Gross Stupidity.

Men, at times, when dealing with women, also suffer from Gross Stupidity...see Taliban

If I could find Gross Stupidity, and kill it...I would...but it appears to be ubiquitous...and I am only one person, living near the edge of Gross Stupidity in a most alarming way...I teeter there...and could succumb (and have succumbed) at any time. I'm not really joking.

Racism is one of many things that drives me almost insanely angry...but I realize, it is really Gross Stupidity that is the Enemy and it is Legion. And again, I'm not really joking.

by opiman000 on 07/21/2009 06:38:51 PM EST

I am Irish and I grew up with the myth Ireland was a country devoid of racism and that we welcomed everyone no matter what their color, creed, beliefs (so long as they were white, conservative Catholics
;-)). Ireland had always been a poor country of emigrants so immigration was never a problem - until the early 1990s, when people started coming to Ireland to work. We then discovered that even we had our nasty little core of racism and xenophobia. Suddenly, we had people of color, who had previously been an occasional curiosity in an almost completely white country. And guess what? They came to take our jobs, undermine our religion, (insert xenophobic cliché here), etc. While the Irish are the butt of English jokes for being stupid, we actually pride ourselves on our levels of education, culture and general enlightenment. For use, racism was something that Americans, English, German, French people did (in fact anyone except us).

 Given the right circumstances, we are all bigoted to an extent, no matter how liberal we consider ourselves to be. Even the branding of southerners in the US as "rednecks" and racist is a form of racism. Who doesn't like to laugh at uneducated southern rednecks or hilbillies? They talk funny and have views that we enlightened folk sneer at. We disdain their way of being because they are different and, at the bottom of it all, we humans don't like "different" people. We are afraid of them. Being different from the established reigning norm is unacceptable or at least gives us the right to treat others with less respect than we would treat "our own".

by eworr on 07/22/2009 03:48:50 AM EST

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I have a vivid memory of starting school in Sweden in 1970 or so.

I had many many schoolyard fights over bigotry...

Not only was I relentlessly made fun of and called a Dumb American; but they did not seem to accept that I was Canadian and therefore (imo at the time) vastly different than the Americans.

muahahhaha....seriously, they never let up...they seemed to hate Americans...don't know if that has changed...

Of course this is not the same level or scope as say, visible minority racism...but it was a valuable life lesson for me...

And for the record, I don't laugh at people with Southern accents or assume they are stupid.

My mother had a 'southern' accent when she grew up in Sweden.  When she attended university in Stockholm...she was made fun of a lot for her hillbilly (swedish version) accent...

so...again...I was aware at an early age that people with southern accents can be highly intelligent...like my mother...

I dearly wish everyone could experience bigotry in such a way as to encourage empathy and understanding...(in a sing songy voice)...la la la la la...

by opiman000 on 07/22/2009 05:04:32 PM EST

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by C D on 07/22/2009 04:29:28 AM EST

I am a Black man and I have traveled to and lived in many different parts of the country and I agree that there are pockets of racism everywhere in America.  Everywhere.  And some of those pockets are large and in places you wouldn't expect.  When I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area, I found it to be one of the most racist and segregated places in America despite its liberal political bent. 

Seattle is to me the most open, least racist city in America, but yet nearby Portland is well-known for racist leanings. 

The Northeast is considered liberal, but Boston is certainly one of the 5 most racist major cities in the country. 

In every major American city, North, South, East or West, there are certain communities where minorities in that city know they won't be welcomed, as visitors or residents.  I saw the videos of those people in Ohio and Pennsylvania during the Palin rallies, and those people were obviously as virulently racist as anyone in the South. 

There are open-minded areas and closed-minded areas in every part of the country.  So racism is not only a Southern problem by any stretch.  It is a problem all around America, to varying degrees.  But I think the difference is, that in the South there are few if any areas where racism isn't a strong factor.  Even California has its racist pockets, but next door to those racist pockets, you've got very liberal open-minded areas. But in the South, next to one racist area, you've got another racist area.

The South is the only area of the country where, on a large scale, state and local governments are still endorsing and defending racist policies and acting like they don't understand what the problem is.  When you hear an appallingly racist public statement from a public official, 9 times out of 10, it's someone from the South. 

It seems to me that while people in other parts of the country fairly universally consider racism to be something unacceptable in polite company, even if they are racist.  By contrast, in the South there seems to still be a huge number of people comfortable with showing it openly, and that's why the South gets the rap it does. 

Also, the South has a greater percentage of people in smaller towns compared to the West and Northeast where most people tend to live in larger cities.  Small town residents are MORE likely  to be closed minded and racist in any part of the country, but because states like Arkansas, Mississippi, South Carolina and Alabama don't have any true metropolises, they are judged more by the residents of those smaller towns, as opposed to the West and Northeast where we think of LA before Santa Barbara when we think of California, and we think of NYC before Binghamton when we think of New York.

But I know it must be tough as a Southerner since, even in the South, I'm sure there are millions of people who are not racist, so I know it sucks to get painted with that broad brush because you live there.

by mdavidboyd on 07/22/2009 07:30:15 PM EST

I never thought of it that way but you just might be onto something with your small town vs. metropolis idea. I'll have to give that some serious thought.

by Mookie on 07/23/2009 11:13:12 AM EST

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