Reid delays healthcare vote, change you can believe in

well fuck it, there goes our healthcare....

FUCKING GOD DAMNIT!!

WASHINGTON — Senate Democratic leaders on Thursday abandoned plans for a vote on health care before Congress' August recess, dealing a blow to President Barack Obama's ambitious timetable to revamp the nation's $2.4 trillion system of medical care.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., delivered the official pronouncement, saying, "It's better to have a product based on quality and thoughtfulness rather than try to jam something through."

His words were a near-echo of Republicans who have criticized what they have called a rush to act on complex legislation that affects every American.

Obama shrugged off the delay.

"That's OK, I just want people to keep on working," Obama told a town hall meeting in Cleveland. "I want it done by the end of the year. I want it done by the fall."

Reid said the Senate Finance Committee will act on its portion of the bill before lawmakers' monthlong break. Reid then will merge that bill with separate legislation passed by the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee earlier this month.

The process will be difficult since Finance, led by Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., is seeking a bipartisan deal while the health committee bill was passed by Democrats on a party-line vote.

Obama had pushed for votes in the House and Senate before August to ensure that lawmakers had enough time to meld the two bills into comprehensive legislation by December — before the start of a politically charged congressional election year.

Obama has made nearly daily appeals for the overhaul in the past two weeks and has summoned more than a dozen lawmakers to the White House to make his case. At stake is a massive remaking of the system. So is Obama's credibility.

At the town hall, Obama likened his health care effort to the race to put a man on the moon 40 years ago, saying some dismissed President John F. Kennedy's effort as "foolish, even impossible" and were proven wrong.

"Reform may be coming too soon for some in Washington, but it's not soon enough for the American people," Obama said.

Reid said the decision to delay a vote was made Wednesday night in hopes of getting a final bill that can win at least 60 votes in the Senate.

He said he had listened to requests from senior Republicans working with Baucus to allow more time for a compromise to emerge.

"I don't think it's unreasonable," he said.

Some Democrats are frustrated with the pace of fulfilling Obama's goal of expanding coverage to Americans who lack it and containing rising costs.

"The Finance Committee keeps dragging their feet and dragging their feet and dragging their feet. It's time for them to fish or cut bait," Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, said in a conference call with Iowa reporters.

But at the same time, nine freshman Senate Democrats, largely from swing states, sent a letter to Baucus urging him to keep working toward a bipartisan solution.

In the House, Democratic leaders are struggling to win over rebellious moderates and conservative rank-and-file party members who are demanding changes to their version of the legislation. The dispute has forced Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., to postpone work on the bill for three straight days while he negotiates.

Waxman's committee is the last of three House panels trying to finish the $1.5 trillion, 10-year legislation that would create a government-run plan to compete with private insurance, increase taxes on the wealthy and require employers and individuals to get health insurance.

Many of the provisions of the legislation wouldn't take effect until 2013 — after the next presidential election.

Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., the third-ranking House Democrat, said a Thursday morning, 90-minute meeting of the leadership was particularly contentious. He said lawmakers should abandon plans for their monthlong break if the House hasn't passed a health care bill.

"We must stay here and get this thing done," he said at a news conference. "I feel very strongly about that. ... I think it will affect our standing with the American people if we don't do this."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., didn't rule out going into August to get the bill done but said it might not be necessary.

"I'm not afraid of August. It's a month," Pelosi said. "What I am interested in is the sooner the better to pass health care for the American people."

"We will take the bill to the floor when it is ready, and when it is ready we will have the votes to pass it," Pelosi added. She stood by — but didn't repeat — a claim she made Wednesday that she has the necessary votes now.

Underscoring the deep divisions among Democrats was concern among members of the Congressional Black Caucus that Obama and the leadership were making too many concessions to the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrats.

Leaders of the Black Caucus said they had requested a meeting with Obama.

"We felt it was important that more than one voice be heard," said Donna Christensen, the congressional delegate for the U.S. Virgin Islands who is leading the caucus' health care efforts. "When we hear phrases like 'squeezing more savings out of the system' ... we're concerned that what may be taken out will be provisions that are critical to our communities."

The black caucus wants to make sure that any overhaul retains core provisions such as a public health insurance option that guarantees coverage for everyone.

"We don't want to see them negotiated or eroded away," said Rep. Danny Davis, D-Ill.

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Associated Press writers Erica Werner, Ben Evans and Ken Thomas contributed to this report.

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Why isn't there a serious effort to replace Reid? I know he won't be replaced with a die-hard progressive, but how about a STRONG moderate? Someone with a spine?

Is Reid well liked within the party? I guess he's good because he allows the corporate Dems to keep on killing good bills, which is how most of them seem to want it.

by Tom Hanc on 07/23/2009 04:47:43 PM EST

Even if he's replaced by a Republican, his loss can only be good for the Democrats.  He's certainly not doing us any good now.

by EveningStarNM on 07/23/2009 05:12:06 PM EST

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Those senators are going to be coming home, and they'll be meeting with their constituents.  Make sure you are there, sitting in the front row, to demand an explanation about why we can't have a strong public option.  The crowd will be behind you -- in more ways than one.

by EveningStarNM on 07/23/2009 05:13:38 PM EST

That's frustrating.  Does anyone have a link to the article cenk discussed the other day about the disproportionality of media coverage on the public option (e.g., news networks spent a lot of time discussing the AMA not supporting Obama's plan, but then very little time covering the story of them changing their minds)?  I think how this is being covered is a big reason for the delays.

by katz on 07/23/2009 04:20:24 PM EST

NOT!!!!!!! .... Expect this from the biggest invertebrate in the Senate .. come 2010 .. can't wait to see him lose his seat .... Durbin or Feingold should take over as Majority Leader ....

Although I have my issues with Pelosi .. at least she gets things done in the House ... that's why the GOP detest her  .... something tells me the GOP wouldn't really focus on challenging Reid come 2010 ... Why?? .. they see him doing more damage to the Democrats Agenda with him in the Senate than a Repub replacing him ..

A Proud Progressive!!!

by teron678 on 07/23/2009 04:28:26 PM EST

They would be wonderful majority leaders.  That would make me so happy!

But I don't think either of them stand a chance of getting elected to the post.  The majority of Senate Democrats are puppets who have gotten too comfortable sucking on the corporate teat.  They don't want to rock the boat.  <SARCASM>And they certainly can't risk making the Repugnantcans more unhappy than they already are!</SARCASM>

by EveningStarNM on 07/24/2009 06:12:08 AM EST

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to hear this.

I just spent 3 hours on the phone dealing with healthcare issues. But mostly resolved; and no money involved.

There are definitely problems with Canadian healthcare...but I have to say...compared to what many Americans deal with...I am now thanking the gods each and every day that my family, with it's long list of pre-existing issues...is living here in Canada.

On CNN this a.m., John Robarts interviewed the father of the kid rescued from the burning vehicle...he asked if they had healthcare to pay for the ensuing long-term treatment of the child...the answer? No.

The father looked mightily worried.

Yeah. For FUCK's sake is right. I am so sorry. I will never ever take our system for granted again.

by opiman000 on 07/23/2009 05:19:00 PM EST

If Reid, Pelosi, the super majority in the Senate, a large majority in the House, AND a very popular president Obama can't do anything on this heavily favored issue, what the HELL can they do?

Are we doomed to be dominated by slimy corporations, their lobbyists, and an excessively compliant media forever? Have we become powerless? 

by toosinbeymen on 07/23/2009 06:08:26 PM EST

At the town hall, Obama likened his health care effort to the race to put a man on the moon 40 years ago, saying some dismissed President John F. Kennedy's effort as "foolish, even impossible" and were proven wrong.

I'm afraid this will not be as easy as the moon landing because you can't just build a movie set in the desert of Arizona and present blurred slow mo recordings as proof that the health care legislation has passed! OR CAN YOU?

jk, scnr

by eborujion on 07/23/2009 06:55:05 PM EST

"Liberal Media" advocating the resignation of Reid as Majority Leader?  I cannot determine when I have ever heard this as a general media outcry, and Reid has been at his job for more than 4 years now (although, of course, the job became more powerful 2 and a half years ago).  The media cannot possibly like the fact that Democratic bills and ethics reform and oversight responsibilities all die on Reid's desk.  He doesn't grant the media unprecedented access, and he CERTAINLY isn't media-savvy or charismatic.  Why do they not blame him for any of this?

  Reid caved on Joe Lieberman.  He caved on any number of 4th amendment issues.  He caved on Roland Burris.  He doesn't seem to be liked by ANYONE on either side of the aisle other than (maybe?) just enough politicians on the Hill to get backroom deals done which squash progress.  Why would even THESE Conservative Democrats like Reid--doesn't a universally disdained do-nothing Senate increase the likelihood that the Senators will lose upcoming elections?   And he is obviously no friend of the Republicans (unlike Lieberman)--they trash him every chance they get, and he never gets any Republican votes on these issues.

Republicans at this point are probably rabid and fatalistic enough at this point to actually, literally filibuster all legislation that comes through the Senate.  They have nothing to lose--anyone who still votes Republican is going to vote Republican REGARDLESS of what these clowns do--they can't damage their brand anymore (not by being obstructionist, anyway).  But a strong Democratic Senate Majority Leader would have said from Day 1:  "Go ahead!  Filibuster everything if you dare.  We'll run your dramatic interpretation of Marcel Proust on a constant loop for the American people.  And when you stop, we WILL pass these bills with 51 votes.  We are the MAJORITY!"  A good leader would say to the 7 or 8 ConservaDems who disagree with the legislation "Go ahead!  We'll pass the bills, and you can then go tell your Conservative constituents that you didn't vote for the bills we passed.  Your hands were tied by that mean Senate Majority that didn't let you kill the bill.  And then DARE THOSE PEOPLE to vote instead for the lunatic Conservative jackass who'll have no more power than you do and who has shown he has no ideas and cannot govern.  And if we lose your seat to that Republican, who cares?  We've already lost YOUR vote on these issues, so now we'll just lose his."

Harry Reid is a major reason that Obama's poll numbers are dropping.  He is a major reason that Democrats stand a chance of getting hammered in the mid-terms and beyond.  He is a major reason that a small handful of Republicans and DINO's continue to have lockdown control over the government and the debate.  This is the last straw.  Why don't the at least 40 Democrats who are on board with this Health Care Reform platform demand his replacement?  They can do it without him losing his seat in 2010 to some Conservative Ensign apologist as Michael Steele dances in the streets over having unseated the Majority Leader. 

by Milltycoon on 07/24/2009 01:05:28 AM EST

...it just makes me feel nauseous.

Reid is afraid he's going to lose his election, so he's running to the right just as far and as fast as he can.  I still don't understand how that creep got elected majority leader.  He would make a fabulous Repugnantcan.

by EveningStarNM on 07/24/2009 01:16:26 AM EST

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Did you not read my post before cherry-picking one line so you could trash Liberal policies?

My post was about how Conservative Democrats ARE blocking this legislation.  Ergo, they are joining with Republicans to "silently filibuster".  We don't have 60 votes when Lieberman is a guaranteed vote for the Republicans.  Or when Nelson or Bayh or Baucus or Landreiu or Tester or McCaskill or Specter are LIKELY votes for the Republicans.  Or when Kennedy and Byrd are too sick to vote consistently, or when Franken was held up by the Minnesota courts for 8 months.  There hasn't been anything resembling 60 votes on even party-line issues thus far.

So yes, Hugh, when Democrats refuse to support bills that the rest of their party are supporting, that means that the Republicans essentially HAVE 41 Senators.  Harry Reid, as my post clearly pointed out, should force those not interested in pushing these bills to ACTIVELY filibuster, not "silently" filibuster.  

My post was not one that blamed the 40 Republican Senators for the failure of this bill.  I expect them to be useless hypocritical scum who would rather stay in power than see America get better.  I DID blame a Democrat for this.  I DO NOT NEED TO BE CONDESCENDED TO BY YOU.  Enjoy the fact that it is the Democrats' fault currently that the country will not be getting badly needed reform, and take your f*cking disingenuous insults to another thread. 

by Milltycoon on 07/24/2009 07:41:18 AM EST

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