08/06/2009 06:55:51 PM EST

Beat your Conservative friends to the punch

posted by MedfordTim


I avoid listening to Rush as much as possible but I have a friend who is a regular listener. This morning he emailed me asking for a link to a photo of the lady holding a swastika sign at a "town hall" get together, which I did. That got me to wondering what was going to be next. Lo and behold, the new logo reminds Rush of Nazi symbology. So, in a pre-emptive strike, I sent my friend the following:

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Rush says the new "Obama Health logo" reminds him of 1942. 1942 Germany, that is. He even has a morph on his home page showing how he makes the comparison, as he says, "...you will find that the "Obama health care" logo is damn close to a Nazi swastika logo...eagle and everything, spread wings... "


Now, what does it say about Rush that he immediately thinks of Nazi imagery instead of, say, the National Recivery Act posters of the 30's & 40's here in America - or, for that matter, why doesn't he make the comparison to the OTHER "NRA", the National Rifle Association - both of which have "eagle and everything, spread wings" (Both of which you can see here) I don't know if he's an NRA member or not, but I DO know the National Rifle Association hosted Rush Limbaugh as keynote speaker at their 1993 Annual Meeting in Nashville - you'd think he would have noticed the logo...maybe even say how it reminded him of Nazi symbols...

Why does Rush hate America so?

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Sigh (none / 0)

Wouldn't it be nice if the right had constructive and relevant criticism of Obama that could help shape the debate in a productive way?

You know, instead of birther and 'deather' BS, ignorant cries of socialism and now, pathetic comparisons to Nazi Germany.

by Tom Hanc on 08/06/2009 07:29:22 PM EST

perhaps this is too obvious (none / 1)
but you failed to mention that Obama's logo bears the most striking resemblance of all to the traditional medical logo

in fact...they're identical for all I can tell. It shows two snakes wound around a staff with wings. Maybe someone with a medical background can explain the significance. Either way, its a silly question, whether Rush hates America. He knows what the medical logo is (there's probably one printed on his Oxycontin bottle). He just doesn't think his audience is bright enough to know the difference.

by hazmat on 08/06/2009 07:35:56 PM EST

True dat (none / 0)

I'll save it for my reply to his comeback. Thanks.

The "Why does Rush..." line is just a poke in the ribs, not a serious question.

by MedfordTim on 08/06/2009 07:41:38 PM EST

[ Parent ]
"why does rush..." (none / 0)
I know. Its a silly, but good, very good question. ;-)

by hazmat on 08/06/2009 07:44:22 PM EST

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My new strategy (none / 0)

Ask him why his beloved Rush never talks about special interest money corrupting both parties. Ask him why Rush doesn't ever talking about campaign finance reform?

Why does Rush want unions giving money to politicians? If a a baseball manager gives money to an umpire before the game it's bribery. If a defendant's attorney gives money to his judge before the case, it's bribery.

If special interest give money to politicians it's...legal?

 

by Tom Hanc on 08/06/2009 07:46:29 PM EST

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Perspective (none / 0)

Remember, this is a guy who thinks World Net Daily is a more credible source than the "propaganda" on MSNBC...

by MedfordTim on 08/06/2009 07:49:56 PM EST

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Exactly (none / 0)

That's why you need to know why Rush thinks it's ok for Unions to give politicians money. Doesn't Rush think outside groups shouldn't be allowed to give politicians money?

It's the union angle that makes it work (for this clown), even though the corporate money has done 90% of the damage and is far more relevant.

 

by Tom Hanc on 08/06/2009 07:52:34 PM EST

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Oh, Hugh.... (none / 0)

200 years? Really?

Don't EVER volunteer to teach history, okay?

by MedfordTim on 08/06/2009 09:42:42 PM EST

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FYI (none / 0)

I don't want Republicans OR Democrats taking ANY money from anyone other than plain old American voters, period.

Teddy Roosevelt's 1907 law preventing corporations from giving a penny to politicians is long gone. Look at the number of registered lobbyists before Reagan took office compared to when he left (or today) to see just how bad it is.

There is no good argument against public funding of elections. There are bad arguments though, which I'm sure you'll share...then again even you wouldn't argue something that stupid.

by Tom Hanc on 08/06/2009 09:45:46 PM EST

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Ohhh, the irony... (none / 0)
Originally the rod of Asclepios, the greek god of healing, was used (and is still used around the world). It is a staff with only 1 snake and without wings. Apparently some U.S. military guys confused it with the Caduceus, the symbol for the God Hermes (whose constituents were merchants, liars and thieves). I guess one snake just did not do it for them :).

So basically the widespread symbol for medicine used in the USA is actually a symbol for trade and deceit! Go figure! ;)

by eborujion on 08/06/2009 07:53:39 PM EST

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It wasn't confusion (none / 0)
Heh

Doctors just wanted a cool staff with wings, hoping that women might mistake them for a pilot ;)

by RedPossum on 08/06/2009 07:58:04 PM EST

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Well then, it's settled... (none / 0)

Medicine is evil.  Yes, medicine on a whole.  The logo is too similar to something the Nazi's used.  Plus, the snakes.  Come on.  Didn't any of you read the bible?  Snakes are evil.  They move with no legs.  That's all I'm sayin'.  Pure evil.

Rush is right.

by Spencer on 08/06/2009 08:09:06 PM EST

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Didn't Hitler eat food? (none / 0)
I think he also breathed in air. Maybe Rush's listeners will stop eating and...

by Tom Hanc on 08/06/2009 08:17:32 PM EST

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Actually predates Rome - back to ancient Egypt (none / 0)
The Caduceus was the magic wand of the god Hermes. It was an olive staff twined with fillets, which were gradually converted to wings and serpents. Hermes, or Mercury, was the messenger of Jove. Among his numerous attributes, one of the most important was that of conducting disembodied spirits to the other world, and, on necessary occasions, of bringing them back. He was the guide of souls, and the restorer of the dead to life.


Thus, Horace, in addressing him, says:

Unspotted spirits you consign
To blissful seats and joys divine,
And powerful with your golden wand
The light unburied crowd command.
Vergil also alludes to this attribute of the magic wand
when he is describing the flight of
Mercury on his way to bear Jove's warning message to Aeneas:
His wand he takes ; with this pale ghost he calls
From Pluto's realms, or sends to Tartarus' shore.


And Statius, imitating this passage, makes the same allusion in his Thebaid (1, 314), thus translated by Lewis:

He grasps the wand which draws from hollow graves,
Or drives the trembling shades to Stygian waves ;
With magic power seals the watchful eye
In slumbers soft or causes sleep to fly.

The history of this Caduceus, or magic wand, will lead us to its symbolism. Mercury, who had invented the lyre, making it out of the shell of the tortoise, exchanged it with Apollo for the latter's magical wand. This wand was simply an olive branch around which were placed two fillets of ribbon. Afterward, when Mercury was in Arcadia, he encountered two serpents engaged in deadly combat. These he separated with his wand; hence the olive wand became the symbol of peace, and the two fillets were replaced by the two serpents, thus giving to the Caduceus its well-known form of a staff, around which two serpents are entwined.


Such is the legend; but we may readily see that in the olive, as the symbol of immortality, borne as the attribute of Mercury, the giver of life to the dead, we have a more ancient and profounder symbolism. The serpents, symbols also of immortality, are appropriately united with the olive wand. The legend also accounts for a later and secondary symbolism-that of peace.


The Caduceus then-the original meaning of which word is a herald's staff-as the attribute of a life-restoring God, is in its primary. meaning the symbol of immortality; so in Freemasonry the rod of the Senior Deacon, or the Master of Ceremonies, is but an analogue or representation of the Hermean Caduceus. This officer, as leading the aspirant through the forms of initiation into his new birth or Masonic regeneration, and teaching him in the solemn ceremonies of the Third Degree the lesson of eternal life, may well use the magic wand as a representation of it, which was the attribute of that ancient deity who brought the dead into life.

- Source: Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry

by gatekeeper50 on 08/06/2009 11:15:41 PM EST

[ Parent ]
The evils of Oxycontin abuse (none / 0)
"...you will find that the "Obama health care" logo is damn close to a Nazi swastika logo...eagle and everything, spread wings... "

I'm waiting to see what excuse the RWnuts will come up with to try and defend the leader of their party.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 08/06/2009 09:05:13 PM EST

Are you calling our military doctors Nazis? (none / 0)

;-)

by MedfordTim on 08/06/2009 09:45:11 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Nazi Union Busters (none / 0)
Didn't Hitler bust up unions? Uh oh...

by Tom Hanc on 08/06/2009 09:46:41 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I also seem to recall (none / 0)
That hitler's military policy was expansionism...

by birdboy1 on 08/06/2009 10:15:21 PM EST

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Oh really? (none / 0)
I must have missed it when he invaded poland.

by birdboy1 on 08/07/2009 09:11:23 AM EST

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Glad you showed up. (none / 0)
"...you will find that the "Obama health care" logo is damn close to a Nazi swastika logo...eagle and everything, spread wings... "

So, is the leader of your party an uninformed dolt, his audience uninformed dolts, or both?

Please, don't embarrass yourself and try to tell us you or Rush have never seen the medical caduceus symbol.

Similar to when Rush directly accused the administration of releasing an "unsearchable" PDF of the Stimulus Bill - that of course was entirely searchable.

"They have reformatted the bill. They've made it a PDF file when they posted it. Now, for those of you that don't use computers, basically what that means is that it cannot be keyword searched. A PDF file is essentially a picture of a page, and so you can read every page but you cannot keyword search it. It's not a text file as legislation normally is, as posted on these public websites. They don't want anybody knowing what's in this."

Cue KenTX's next sputtering excuse...

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 08/07/2009 12:53:20 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You had me, and lost me (none / 0)
Your comment on the logo is great, but to end with 'Why does Rush hate America so?' is weak.

I would speculate that Rush overreacts because his hatred for Obama blinds him... just like your rhetorical end question shows you have hatred for Rush.

by jimmyjames on 08/06/2009 11:13:51 PM EST

Obviously... (none / 0)

...you're not in on the joke.

by MedfordTim on 08/07/2009 12:17:06 AM EST

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nope (none / 0)
Why does Jimmy hate America?

We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.

by aidbo on 08/07/2009 03:56:57 AM EST

[ Parent ]
If you want to beat Conservatives... (none / 0)
You'll just have to come up with better ideas - as of yet all you guys play is the same tired old handbook moves. I have an idea - why don't you guys actually do what Americans WANT - there's a start! :)

by bobo1 on 08/06/2009 11:22:58 PM EST

Since the polls say that the Dems are (none / 0)
doing what 70-80% of Americans want, it is the same old, pathetic, disgusting troglodytes that represent the same 17% of Cheney ass-sniffers that don't realize Medicare, the VA, and military health care are government run; but cry for "their America" which we all know is decrepit, fat, antebellum-white and fading into oblivion and just don't see the whirlwind of change that's about to blow them into the dark recesses of total irrelevance.

by gatekeeper50 on 08/06/2009 11:49:46 PM EST

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In case it slipped your notice... (none / 0)

...Conservatives had their ASSES handed to them on a platter 9 mos ago.

We ALREADY know what people want - NO CONSERVATIVES.

by MedfordTim on 08/07/2009 12:19:37 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Nice try (none / 0)
But the subject is Rush Limbaugh's lying.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 08/07/2009 12:56:26 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Which Americans? (none / 0)
The birthers?

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 08/07/2009 03:38:17 PM EST

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Homeland Security (none / 0)
What I would like Obama or Congress to do to prove their anti-Nazi credentials is change the name of the Department of Homeland Security.  That still freaks me out and always will until the day they change the name.

David

by yturks on 08/07/2009 02:20:27 PM EST

and stop continuing (none / 0)
Some of Bush's policies.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 08/07/2009 03:39:03 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Beat me to it by 58 seconds... (none / 0)

Oh, you're goooood!

by MedfordTim on 08/07/2009 03:41:31 PM EST

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good point (none / 0)

...I bet they get to that, right after they shut down all the Bushie wiretapping and secrecy programs...

(THIS is the area I truly feel betrayed by Obama)

by MedfordTim on 08/07/2009 03:40:01 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I prefer the word Sudetenland (none / 0)
it has such  a festive ring to it.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 08/07/2009 05:42:28 PM EST

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What it says about Limbaugh (none / 0)
is that the Nazi imagery plays perfectly to his core listeners. Remember the people listening to Limbaugh are whack jobs  the birthers the tea party people. Racists .

He wants a pay check so he says what will stir them up the most.

On Limbaugh is it possible for a man his age to lose almost 100 lbs in 6 months without drugs? I have my doubts. I think he is a little wound up on methamphetamine lately.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

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