09/12/2009 12:31:07 PM EST

Confused Conservatives on Health Care

posted by yturks

So let me get this straight. Freedom-loving conservatives who want the government out of our personal lives will like and accept government MANDATES/REQUIREMENTS that everybody buy health insurance, but will not accept giving people the CHOICE to join a public plan.  Does not make sense.

David

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Well (none / 0)

I guess you have to draw the distinction between Republicans in Congress Vs. average Joe Reupublican.

Your post applies to the former, but the latter will (I assume) continue to scream about socialism, marxism, communist, fascism, Hitler and Nazis (etc.) regardless of what 'reform' is passed. They've been trained to react that way by right wing zealots.

by Tom Hanc on 09/12/2009 01:49:29 PM EST

I think its confused leebs (none / 0)
Im hearing alot of rethugs saying mandated insurance is not right. Yes ,I know the concept was introduced and passed by the leader of the rethuglicans, Mitt Romney, but on a national level rethugs are denouncing everything Obama has proposed, and the mandated insurance is climbing to the top of the list.

I hate to agree with the rethugs on anything, but mandated insurance is not something I am happy with and will oppose strongly. On a national level, the only person Ive seen endorse that idea is Obama.

by Smokin on 09/12/2009 03:45:56 PM EST

No it does not make sense (none / 0)
Neither does the conservative argument that Obama will  give illegal aliens health care by offering them "amnesty"

If illegal aliens got "amenesty"    they would become legal citizens

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 09/12/2009 08:49:41 PM EST

LOL (none / 0)

Typical ..

Obama/Democrats say "UP"

Ken & his Ilk say "Down"

A Proud Progressive!!!

by teron678 on 09/12/2009 09:55:27 PM EST

They arent pleased there is a (none / 1)
Black man in the White House either

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 09/13/2009 12:26:52 AM EST

Health insurance (none / 0)
Providers dont protect anything but their bottom line

Thats going to change

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 09/13/2009 12:28:04 AM EST

Conservatives are not pleased (none / 0)
"that ObamaCare compels them to purchase health insurance."

But apparently they are OK with mandatory auto insurance?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 09/13/2009 01:40:59 AM EST

So to be clear (none / 0)
You are perfectly OK with mandatory health care insurance, just not the subsidy?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 09/13/2009 01:13:36 PM EST

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Party of "No" (none / 0)
"I'm not OK with mandatory insurance, and I'm not OK with subsidized insurance."

So how long have you been protesting manditory auto insurance?

When poor people get sick, they receive free health care that everyone else helps pay for."

Two words; preventative maintenance. Keep them from having to go to an ER in the first place and save money all at once.

"People with health insurance have HUGE deductibles."

Wow, sounds like you need a better plan. Let me know if you want some recomendations.

"My educated guess..."

Would this be based on your graduate degree in chemistry?

"Barack Obama is destroying the economy..."

One word; "W"

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 09/13/2009 05:28:48 PM EST

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party of "no, thanks" (none / 0)
Wow, sounds like you need a better plan. Let me know if you want some recomendations.


My health insurance has a $2,500 annual deductible. That's why the plan is so affordable. What is your recommendation?


If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's "free."

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTwba on 09/18/2009 07:17:05 AM EST

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Offer accepted (none / 0)
Let me know if you want some recomendations.


Fire away. Let's hear your words of wisdom.


If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's "free."

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTwba on 10/01/2009 03:41:22 PM EST

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Little runaway (none / 0)
I thought so.


If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's "free."

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTwba on 10/01/2009 10:20:07 PM EST

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Gee, in a hurry? (none / 0)
I didn't realize there was a time limit on responding to your occasional posts.

Maybe you have to leave for another week to another place without internet access?

Not that I was talking to you but;

"People with health insurance have HUGE deductibles."

"$2500"

Well that's just crazy high. You're both just gambling on your and your families' health to save a couple bucks.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 10/01/2009 10:40:53 PM EST

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Gee and Tee with a twist of lime (none / 0)
I didn't realize there was a time limit on responding to your occasional posts.


Only whiny little bitches who complain about my frequent absences are subject to a time limit.


Maybe you have to leave for another week to another place without internet access?


There was internet access everywhere. I chose to spend a week with my girlfriend and without a computer or crackberry. A piece of tail is more important than debating Obama's butt boys.


Well that's just crazy high. You're both just gambling on your and your families' health to save a couple bucks.


Americans routinely pay off $25,000 car loans in 48 months, but a $2,500 annual deductible is a crazy high gamble on my health? Are you fucking serious? I can easily cover the deductible with my savings. High deductible health insurance is an excellent choice and most Americans should have it.


If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's "free."

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTwba on 10/02/2009 03:41:11 PM EST

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It's not about people who don't have assets (none / 0)

One major problem that Obama wants to solve here is the damage that is caused by medical bankruptcies. It is not the case that there's a heavenly father paying all the unpaid bills caused by the very expensive emergency treatment that becomes necessary because they can't afford a much cheaper and healthier treatment earlier.

Americans are already paying for these costs, and it's ridiculous to give somebody who is about to die a $200,000 treatment when you could have avoided that by giving him a $50,000 treatment much earlier.

by logischabbaubar on 09/14/2009 08:55:54 AM EST

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Roll with it (none / 0)
Twba, please take over here. I'm starting to lose patience, and I'm working very hard to remain polite.


Politeness is overrated. And you must feel like Sisyphus facing that rock every morning when you come here to discuss health care.


Obama has two choices: 1. Dial this shit way back. 2. Cram it down the throats of the American people.


Obama's choices are to sign or veto whatever piece of shit Congress excretes.


If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's "free."

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTwba on 09/18/2009 07:25:48 AM EST

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Un-ensure yourself (none / 0)
Conservatives are not pleased that ObamaCare compels them to purchase health insurance.

Yeah, and OneHitKill is not pleased that the inherent frailty of the human body compels him to visit the doctor once in a while. If the whole country were to perceive health insurance as optional (it is, but most people don't see it that way), it would spell trouble for private providers. Getting the entire nation to simultaneously drop their insurance, while not feasible, WOULD bring about change for the better. The only reason that's true now is because the only organizations that provide insurance in the US are doing so out of greed, not out of concern for anyone's health.

by OneHitKill on 09/13/2009 05:27:27 AM EST

Educate yourself (none / 0)
...the only organizations that provide insurance in the US are doing so out of greed, not out of concern for anyone's health.


It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.




If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's "free."

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTwba on 09/13/2009 01:36:20 PM EST

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Do or no not (none / 0)
Thanks, Yoda. So a health insurance company is the same as a bakery. Which means, if its product is no good, you should find another. And if there are no good bakeries around, maybe you should lay off the bread.

by OneHitKill on 09/13/2009 10:57:13 PM EST

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Yoda (none / 0)
Adam Smith


If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's "free."

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTwba on 09/18/2009 07:21:10 AM EST

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Another "makes no sense" for ya (none / 0)

My friend's wife - conservative with surprising streaks of liberal here and there was trying to convince me that Single Payer plans were no good because It Would Mean Government Takeover Of Health Care. Yes, I tried to explain it was more of an accounting change, but she didn't get it (which means I was unable to explain it well).

Then she asked if I remembered the Public Health clinics we had in California a couple of decades ago and wondered where they went? >couREAGANgh< I said, sure, used 'em myself - it was back when our county had a hospital and public health facilities, but those days are loooong gone.

So she asked me, "Why can't they start that back up? I'd rather see that than a governmant takeover like that single payer thing."

"But..but..." The utter irony overwhelmed me. "Don't you realize that would mean the government would be hiring doctors and nurses and running clinics and assigning patients to doctors - actually taking over health care?"

"Not as bad as what YOU were talking about!"

My head is still spinning.

by MedfordTim on 09/13/2009 11:47:36 AM EST

conservative universe (none / 0)
That was done decades ago, so it can't be as bad as something that was never tried before! Old is good, new is bad!

But your "accounting change" comparison was spot on. I would not know how to explain any other way...
money pooled differently? Difference piggy bank and banking institution? Fire extinguisher and fire department?

by eborujion on 09/13/2009 12:23:00 PM EST

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Damn Pesky Goverment (none / 0)

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 09/14/2009 08:39:44 AM EST

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A little more confidence... (none / 0)
in your people skills. I am sure you will be able to find enough doctors who are greedy assholes and who will be panting after your dollars if you pay cash for your medical expenses. I have heard of certain practices that perform extended prostate exams, if you pay the right amount. Maybe even with happy ending...

You have written in an earlier post that you have a huge deductible anyway, chances are you are being duped by your insurance company (or you fooled yourself, which is just as likely).

So, just do us a favor, become a cash patient and stop worrying what the decent people will do with their health care.

by eborujion on 09/14/2009 09:36:57 AM EST

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