Ignore KenTX and Boycott( AKA:HughEverett ,HansLanda, LaredoLarry, Tom Jefferson...et al)

Dear TYT Blogger and Friend, This message is a joint communiqué from Hubble and MRFred in regard to the future of the TYT Forum.

Update [2010-3-2 11:49:59 by MRFred]::New Members

As a TYT member and Forum user I think you will agree that we have a unique experience in the ever expanding Internet, one where we can discuss topics of the day in an intimate and friendly environment while having direct contact with the media on the national stage.

We also believe that you will agree that we ( Hubble and MRFred, and others) have, without exception, advocate and believe in a free and open forum where all members are welcome to express their opinions and ideas with lively debate and friendly disagreements often interspersed with healthy doses of humor.

That being said, we have both reluctantly reached the conclusion that KenTx /Hugh Everett (and his numerous "sockpuppets") constant attacks on members, our beliefs and the very moral fiber of the progressive movement have reached the point of being a hindrance to the growth of TYT.

The increasingly shrill and insulting blogs and comments by KenTx /Hugh Everett are proof that he is not here for "discussion" rather his purpose is a dark and insidious combination of ideology and personal issues better resolved on a different venue. Ken/Hugh's abuse of newer members who don't have the understanding or patience (that some of the older members have) for Ken/Hugh's abrasive, insulting and self serving post's has reached the point where many members have abandoned the forum completely while others are reluctant to post out of fear of a personal attack, or , more disturbingly, indifference for the Forum.

In light of our respect for an open forum it is with deep regret that we are seeking the cooperation of the more “seasoned” members of TYT to join with us in a boycott of responding to posts by Ken/Hugh.

Some have made arguments that we need Ken to "practice" debating conservatives, we need him for the entertainment value and so forth. I can assure you that you are not debating when you engage Ken\Hugh. You are simply providing a opportunity for thread hijacking, off topic responses , personal attacks and diverting the thread to the old "liberals this, liberal that"mantra of rigid ideologues.

Of course ,Ken is free to blog as usual, however we think you will see as more an more users boycott his blogs, Ken will become louder and more outrageous as he attempts to entice users into his web of deceit, insults and disturbed ego gratification.

The boycott is a simple one. Forward this message to likeminded TYT users. If you wish, Add your name to the letter. When a new user, or a veteran responds to a Ken/Hugh post, send them a personal message, a copy of this message or link them to this letter that will be posted on a Open Thread blog at:

 http://www.theyoungtu rks.com/story/2009/9/3/9351 6/69489/Diary/KenTX-Hugh-Ev erett-Boycott

Any member who sees a post by Ken/Hugh is encouraged to respond with this message.

Note: We are not associated with Take Back TYT, Take back TYT is an example of the very vendettas that have resulted from KenTx /Hugh Everett constant badgering and threats.

Warmest regards .

 Russ & Hubble

 

Alias withheld by request or support boycott ( name preference not given)

  • 178 members
Asked specifically to have name placed on the letter
  1. 1xx3xy
  2. Alloy
  3. Arribalaschivas91
  4. bgpblaze
  5. callisto
  6. CD ( Chinese Democracy)
  7. chefwindu
  8. dallasguy1979
  9. Das Gimp
  10. david655555
  11. Diamonte
  12. EveningStarNM
  13. EvilJak
  14. finerbiner
  15. gatekeeper50 ("excluding video of feces applied to kens posts")
  16. guttermutt
  17. ilovecenk99
  18. Hubble 
  19. JamieH
  20. Jianxzhi
  21. jarett
  22. hazmat
  23. imanygirl
  24. jpp001
  25. katlover131
  26. kingbane
  27. LadyFriend
  28. LastAngryMan2
  29. law3dog
  30. nmaks
  31. OccamsRazor
  32. 0f course
  33. OldGerman
  34. OneHitKill
  35. publius
  36. pam
  37. ProgTruth
  38. R Freda ( MRFred/SockPuppetFred)
  39. rebel2rebel
  40. RobRob
  41. RoeWeazy
  42. RNinNYC
  43. saad
  44. savanasathre
  45. SnowTiger
  46. susanfrom
  47. Thornleylv
  48. TJD
  49. tuna
  50. Wifflum
  51. wyotransplnt
  52. Young but not Dumb
  53. YourHero
  54. Qwerty

___________________________ ___

* Name withheld by request out of desire to avoid retaliation in their blogs or no preference given. Names are not published without specific permission of the respondent.)

___________________________ ____________

 From Hubble and MRFred 1/20/09

When we announced the boycott the first response was how we were restricting the freedom of speech, we were censoring KenTX / Hugh Everett or attempting to establish a web based version of the fairness doctrine.

Freedom of speech does not guarantee an audience nor, as our conservative friends often point out, a platform. We are graciously provided a platform by TYT, they can also take it away if they choose. After that, it's up to the TYT member.

More often than not, the solution proposed by KenTX / Hugh Everett to complaints about Fox and "conservative" pundits is to simply not read the offensive material, turn the channel or close your ears.

Very true, we agree. The lack of comments on KenTX / Hugh Everett blogs proves our point. Other things you should know are:
   

* If you choose to engage KenTX \ Huge Everett in" debate" that is, of course, your privilege.

 

* We are making no attempt ban "conservatives", KenTX \ Huge Everett from TYT. First KenTX \ Huge Everett is  not a real conservatives on. Second people are banned from TYT for poor behavior, not politics.
   

*We engage users who honestly represent their views and are truly representative of the conservative point of view, unsavory or otherwise honestly.
   

*KenTX / Hugh Everett now demands an audience and threatens to disrupt any attempt to provide tools and choices to users to tailor their TYT experience to meet their needs. This will be done through the use of sock puppets and surrogates. He has switched back to his alias of KenTX and has used at least 5 sock puppets to date to circumvent the boycott.

Don't be fooled.

Freedom of choice is a simple concept. One that cuts both ways with impunity. That fact infuriates so called "conservatives":

    * We choose not to play the game any longer.

    * We choose not to dignify the bait and switch tactics, personal attacks and insults employed by KenTX / Hugh Everett in his blogs.
    * We choose not to participate in enabling KenTX / Hugh Everett personality issues, "personal information" red herrings and attempts to influence the debate with superfluous personal information.

    * We choose not to listen to claim of bribes through (fictitious) "donations" to TYT , exaggerated claims of "insider" influence over the TYT programming staff and duplicitous offers of personal favors and friendship.

In short, we choose to boycott, (ignore) KenTX / Hugh Everett.

This is why:

"I have purposely avoided responding to or engaging ken or bobo in any of their various antics or guises. I don't find it to be at all constructive. Sadly, I've also been participating in the forums less and less because a tone of civility and intelligent exchange seems to be completely optional. It's one thing to say, "I disagree" and explain why, it's also junior high to throw in "asshat."  I don't see myself engaging in much of anything in the forums any longer, and I do think that is sad. Thank you for your efforts and I wish them well."

Signed: The TYT kenTX\HughEverett Boycott Team

 

NEW NEW NEW Update [2010-2-17 10:5:4 by MRFred]:

 

Post you favorite KenTX quotes, prognostications, prevarications and misinformation here!

 

Why We Boycott KenTX: KENTX Credibilty Watch

Why We Boycott KenTX: KENTX Credibilty WatchPart II

 

 

Post you favorite KenTX quotes, prognostications, prevarications and misinformation here!

 



< Cenk Needs Some Special Sunglasses | Obama Crumbling On Health Care? >

Poll


Votes: 14
Results | Other Polls
 Display:
But I dont find it disgusting

LOL @ donuts


by Chinese Democracy on 09/03/2009 11:23:58 AM EST

Rush will never recover from this one!

by OldGerman on 09/03/2009 01:08:37 PM EST

a towel over the aroused member serves to hide the act and absorb the results.

by gatekeeper50 on 09/03/2009 01:40:00 PM EST

You have always been a trend setter...may we add you to the list?

by Sock Puppet Fred on 12/04/2009 10:20:01 PM EST

[ Parent ]
let them talk to each other..  they arent fun

I responded to something up there a while ago  but whatever it was had been deleted.

anyway

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 12/04/2009 11:34:20 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I can boycott ken, Hugh, I  don't like him anyway, So I am with ya there.
But remember that there are some more r's and libs around here that put people down for no real reason, Other than to make them feel better about themselfs.
They may think its funny but it hurts someone the same way ken does.
No names but they are here

by tuna on 12/07/2009 06:17:53 AM EST

This letter, Buy just commeting or in another way, Thanks star

by tuna on 12/07/2009 06:21:03 AM EST

You can put my name on it, too.

This is the second happiest day of my life.

by OneHitKill on 12/14/2009 01:56:47 AM EST

[ Parent ]
[UPDATE] Jarett joins the boycott.

by MRFred on 12/15/2009 08:22:18 AM EST

[UPDATE] Hugh Everet switches back to KenTX

 More sock puppets to follow !

by MRFred on 12/16/2009 07:57:58 AM EST

In this day and age the term "boycott" has a negative connotation. We attribute this to the attacks by the right wing on unions, NAACP, student groups and other groups of protesters that have successfully used boycotts in the past. This is supremely ironic because the Christian right and other conservative groups employ the same tactics, interspersed with a shooting or two, sanitized by the flag and blessed by the Bible.

The difference is that we are not looking for a divine blessing or claiming the patriotic high ground in this effort.

When we began the boycott, we did not do so out of malice.

As a group we have routinely defended KenTX \ Hugh Everett's right to blog on TYT. We did so because it was the right thing to do and with a hope that KenTX \ Hugh Everett would reciprocate by finally living up to his oft repeated  credo of "open and free debate".

Sadly, after several years, that has never happened in a meaningful way. Finally, after a series of insulting and demeaning political and personal attacks it has become readily apparent to all that his sole purpose for participating in the TYT Forum is to ridicule and demean TYT members for the principles they believe in.

More racist drivel<  For example, the latest "blog", http://www.theyoungturks.co m/story/2009/12/16/42035/16 9 is an prime example of why we boycott KenTX\Hugh Everett. The photo of Joe Lieberman in black face is only meant to do one thing: incite comments for a flame war and a new trolling opportunity.

KenTX / Hugh Everett's favorite straw men for situations like this are freedom of speech, censorship and the fairness doctrine.

When a blog complains about Limbaugh, Hannity or Beck, with a certainty of the sunrise there will be a post about "liberals" desire to  limit freedom of speech, impose censorship and reinstate the fairness doctrine. More often than not, the solution proposed is to simply not read the offensive material, turn the channel or close your ears.

When we announced the boycott the first response was how we were restricting the freedom of speech, we were censoring  KenTX / Hugh Everett or attempting to establish a web based version of the fairness doctrine.


Freedom of speech does not guarantee an audience nor, as our conservative friends often point out, a platform. We are graciously provided a platform by TYT, they can also take it away if they choose. After that, its up to the TYT member.

More often than not, the solution proposed by KenTX / Hugh Everett to complaints about Fox and "conservative" pundits is to simply not read the offensive material, turn the channel or close your ears. Very true, we agree. The lack of comments on KenTX / Hugh Everett blogs proves our point.

Other things you should know are:

    * If you choose to engage KenTX \ Huge Everett in" debate" that is, of course, your privilege.

    * We have no ability to delete or change posts or otherwise shun those who do choose to post and play with KenTX \ Huge Everett. Enjoy, God bless and go forward.

   * We are making no attempt ban "conservatives", KenTX \ Huge Everett from TYT. First KenTX \ Huge Everett is  not a real conservatives on. Second people are banned from TYT for poor behavior, not politics.

   *We engage users who honestly represent their views and are truly representative of the conservative point of view, unsavory or otherwise..honestly.

   *KenTX / Hugh Everett now demands an audience and threatens to disrupt any attempt to provide tools and choices to users to tailor their TYT experience to meet their needs. This will be done through the use of sock puppets and surrogates. He has already switched back to his alias of KenTX. Don't be fooled.

Freedom of choice is a simple concept. One that cuts both ways with impunity. That fact infuriates so called "conservatives":

    * We choose not to play the game any longer.

    * We choose not to dignify the bait and switch tactics, personal attacks and insults employed by KenTX / Hugh Everett in his blogs.

    * We choose not to participate in enabling KenTX / Hugh Everett personality issues , "personal information" red herrings and attempts to influence the debate with superfluous personal information.

    *  We choose not to listen to claim of  bribes through (fictitious) "donations" to TYT , exaggerated claims of "insider" influence over the TYT programing staff and duplicitous offers of personal favors and friendship.

In short, we choose to boycott, (ignore) KenTX / Hugh Everett. 

 

Signed: The TYT kenTX\HughEverett Boycott

by Sock Puppet Fred on 12/16/2009 09:21:31 AM EST

12 new boycott members today.

by MRFred on 12/17/2009 03:31:13 PM EST

The KenTX/Hugh Everett Boycott is the best thing to hit my web browser all year. It also works on TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTwb a. It's like the two of them held hands and jumped off a skyscraper into a boiling lake. No muss, no fuss.

by OneHitKill on 12/19/2009 10:35:38 AM EST

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 12/20/2009 08:49:48 AM EST

[ Parent ]
But aren't we all just one poster?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 12/20/2009 09:37:28 PM EST

[ Parent ]

You are my sock puppet because I have been here longer.

That is how Ken's paranoid logic works.

by z1p101 on 01/02/2010 12:19:44 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I'll write that down so I don't forget it again.  But does that mean that Robrob is me, too?

by EveningStarNM on 01/02/2010 12:43:38 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You're both my sockpuppets because I've been here longer than you two.

BUT THERE'S MORE!

I'm not sure but I believe OHK has been here longer than me but not by much, so I must be his sockpuppet, but TYT started the entire forum......which means we're all sockpuppets of TYT.
 
WELCOME TO THE MATRIX.

or is it

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/02/2010 08:07:11 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Check your PMs.

by EveningStarNM on 12/22/2009 07:36:39 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I have not used any sockpuppets since Dave made the ratings system meaningless.  I will go even further: I will not use any sockpuppets here.

As far as I know, all of those usernames that you posted are newcomers who are less likely to come back because of you.

But if it makes you feel better to think that there are not almost 150 people who think you are a detriment to this community, then go ahead.

by EveningStarNM on 12/22/2009 09:15:46 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I am not a sock puppet. However if you waant me to I will introduce you to my meat puppet, I used to like Ken dolls when i was little and maybe we could be really good friends

by stonemaster on 01/29/2010 02:56:33 AM EST

[ Parent ]

Originally to Dan

You know that 9-11 was an inside job.I assume you have some real killer quotes to prove it.

On the other hand a few random "sinister" quotes from a think tank, academia and others proves tha global warming is a hoax.

Ok..got it.

The driving theme of the quotes are overpopulation, over consumption and depletion of resources, dependence on fossil fuels.

Are these not problems? Or more conspiracies?

BTW by now you've received the de rigueur "Welcome To The Forum" message from KenTX.  In the message he probably mistakenly assumes you're a conservative of some type.

Be advises that Ken is the local conservative troll, serial exaggerator and sock puppeteer .  I am sure he has regaled you with tales of how he kicks our asses blah blah blah.

I can't see Kens posts because I use scripts to redact them from my web browser. Does that mean I'm scared or a pussy? No..it means I choose to spend my remaining time on the planet doing something constructive, not playing whack a mole with a 10 year old.

Ken lives for the flame war. Research his old blogs.  

Perhaps he has described his multiple and ever increasing inventory of "advanced degrees", all summa cum laude of course, his oil wells, cattle ranch.

He lives and is from Texas where he claims he went to the most impoverished high school in Appalachia(???). At that high school he pulled himself up by his Texas boot straps to graduate with honors and...it changes so much I cant remember.

Maybe he discussed his relations to the Lone Ranger, his family being holders of original Spanish land grants in Texas, his wealth, his investment acumen and ability to time markets where he sells off his vast "holdings" ( just before the current run up) assuming the market will tank to prove" Obama will fail".

He always has a relative or friend that somehow knows more, does it better as a "conservative" in regard to any particular subject you may be discussing. No matter where you have livedor what you have done, he's been there, lived there or owns something there.

Did he discuss his insider status at TYT, or his involvement in national Republican politics? Even his gardener makes $120,000. I know his name, where he lives, his inventory of wealth..everything is bigger and better in Texas and , chances are, Ken has something to do with it.

How do I know this? Not because of a desire to know , rather, because he volunteers said "information"and repeats it over and over and over again in a ersatz Tourett's  of conservative ego gratification.

He's the most interesting man in the world. He doesn't drink beer often, but when he does he drinks  Milwalkees Finest because everything he posts is total bullshit.

If he has "kicked our asses" he has done it in terms of brute repetition, not in the rhetorical sense; repeating the same GOP and Limbaugh talking point over and over and over, no matter how many times it is refuted, ad naseum, ad infinitum until we reached a point of boredom and exasperation.

 Ken has nothing new or interesting to say. We have read it all before, read it all again and again and again looking for a sliver of originality and thought.

The fact is we just don't care anymore.

He simply,is a nuisance and impediment to discussion. He's mad simply because we aren't paying attention to him any more.

Hence the boycott

Welcome.

by Sock Puppet Fred on 12/22/2009 09:11:16 AM EST

AKA I want to join... consider it my Christmas present to you guys. :D

But yeah, I only joined recently but I have noticed those chaps (Or should I just say chap) are not helping anyone or anything in any way.

They are simply trolling these forums.

by Evil Jak on 12/25/2009 02:37:42 AM EST

And I hope you have a Happy Christmas!

by EveningStarNM on 12/25/2009 10:12:54 AM EST

[ Parent ]
New members added.

by MRFred on 12/29/2009 11:27:52 AM EST

This thread makes trolls go like this:

by OneHitKill on 01/01/2010 11:34:55 PM EST

I've heard the blue marlin are great catches...

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 01/02/2010 01:07:51 AM EST

Like I keep saying, pull up the website for my Dad's company. Then you will find out how ridiculous Robrob really is. I'm letting the Blue Marlin run. I'm feeding him line. by Hugh Everett on 08/23/2009 11:43:30 PM EST

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 01/02/2010 06:49:02 PM EST

[ Parent ]
the never ending story.

by Sock Puppet Fred on 01/02/2010 09:43:54 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I'm against banning people as much as the next guy but trolls are no fun.

by nmaks on 01/02/2010 10:13:31 PM EST

[ Parent ]
We're just ignoring him.  It works, too.  I'm a lot happier since I've decide to quit reading his junk.  Of coures, on the occasions that I accidentally read a comment of his, as soon as I see his name, it just rolls right off my back.  "Oh, that's just Ken," I say to myself.  And then <poof!> he's gone.

by EveningStarNM on 01/03/2010 08:50:05 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Ignoring him is ten times better than banning him anyway. If he were banned, his victim fantasy would be fulfilled. The policy of ignoring and/or blocking his nonsense on a personal basis, on the other hand, is deliciously anticlimactic. He'll take months to die. He's the new Terri Schiavo.

by OneHitKill on 01/04/2010 10:30:16 PM EST

[ Parent ]
He's the new Terri Schiavo.

Sometimes a sentence is worth a thousand pictures.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/06/2010 08:26:49 PM EST

[ Parent ]
when it has a thousand words in it.

by richardshort2001 on 02/05/2010 02:44:35 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I'm sorry. I just violated the terms of the boycott by addressing Hans Landa, known sock puppet of Ken. As penance, I am bumping this thread. It won't happen again (and by that I mean, I won't address Ken again....but I might bump this thread again).

by OneHitKill on 01/04/2010 06:38:08 PM EST

have been strong not responding to turd blossom, not easy :)

by callisto on 01/04/2010 07:03:59 PM EST

I haven't, to my recollection, rubbed elbows with Ken. But I know what he's about and I've read some of his stuff and support this boycott 100%.

by Jianxzhi on 01/06/2010 05:47:44 AM EST

¡HOLA PAVOS!
I just wanted to mention that I have seen a fair amount of non-boycotting from boycotters (myself included). It's really hard but please help me stay strong if anyone sees me cheat. I've done well but sometimes the temptation is strong......sad, really.

PS....Madrid has been freaking AWESOME!!! Off to Granada tomorrow!! ¡Adiós por ahora, pavos! ¡Hasta pronto!

by LadyFriend on 01/06/2010 11:02:34 AM EST

I've seen some other people post comments under Ken's articles and I've felt compelled to respond to them.  It's a nasty, dirty habit, I know.  But I was able to quit smoking, so I should be able to quit this.

It's just that when I quit smoking, I went through a brief period when I wanted to kill kittens.  Fortunately, my friends protected any kittens that happened to wander by.  But I'm hesitant to risk the welfare of innocent kitties again.

by EveningStarNM on 01/07/2010 03:40:04 AM EST

[ Parent ]
He's baiting you and laughing when you take the bait.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/09/2010 08:52:00 PM EST

[ Parent ]
After running into KenTX on a recent blog, I was unaware of who he was; EveningStarNM filled me in on his ways, and linked me to this blog. Being more informed than I was previously, consider me in. :)

by Diamonte on 01/17/2010 07:39:25 PM EST

At this rate the entire internet will be in on the boycott!

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 01/18/2010 07:35:59 PM EST

[ Parent ]
It must be pretty lonely out there...

by Sock Puppet Fred on 01/19/2010 01:50:10 PM EST

[ Parent ]

KenTX sock puppets:

Hans Landa

TomJefferson

SallySocialist

HughEverett

Possible Sockpuppets

WestyPegler

LaredoLarry

by MRFred on 01/19/2010 10:30:37 PM EST

it's hard to keep up with the sockpuppets. Here I was responding to Larry.. and now I'm finding out it's Ken?? Geez!

by ilovecenk99 on 01/24/2010 11:14:31 PM EST

[ Parent ]

I received a note about Kens baseless accusations. So , I suspending my scripting removing kens posts from my browser to set the record straight.

Ken is the sock puppet master on TYT. That is also one of the reasons we are boycotting his posts and blogs. Last count ken had employed over 20 sockpuppets to date. Ken has also threatened to use an "army" of sock puppets to circumvent the boycott.

1. I posted an update about KenTX sock puppets here . In that post I informed the TYT community of KenTX use of two sock puppets ; Hans Landa and Westy Pegler. Ken replied as follows:

Don't forget my other sockpuppets.

SallySocialist
CanCan
The closest I’ve been to Nantucket Island is an old Patti Page song. (She is a distant cousin.)
 

Of course Ken embellished his reply with another fiction embellishing his already exaggerated resume.

 2. " if you go back and look at Larry's comments, you'll see that I'm usually the target of his attacks.."

Ken's LaredoLarry sockpuppet employs a trick Ken has used in the past of creating sock puppets to "harrass" him.

He usually attributes these sock puppets to me.  He goes into my old blogs and uses old comments paraphrased to capture my writing style. he often goes as far as posting around the same time I log on to TYT in the mornings. Obsessive don't you think? Invariably the sock puppets provide Ken a protagonist and allows ken to expound on Kens favorite subject; Ken. 

Use of a "stalker" sockpuppets also gives Ken cover to re-spin his various claims about his wealth, education, relatives, oil wells, cattle ranches, "friends", like this little gem. The sockpuppet ruse also allows ken to claim he is the injured party.

3.  " Fred even employs the same badly photoshopped mustaches."

This comment refers to LaredoLarry's use of this picture in his profile. Of course if Ken had the skills to check these things he would know that this photo comes from  on line costume  company http://www.partypants.co.uk . the other photo:http://simplesweet.fi les.wordpress.com.  PhotoShoping photos on other web servers and using those servers as the referrer for a live link (to use on TYT) is even beyond my capability not that I would waste the time.

 

4. LaredoLarry follows Kens pattern of behavior to the smallest detail. Ken uses photos to bolster his fantasy ego, for example this photo from the movie "There Will Be blood" he uses on his account profile. Ken fancies himself as a oil tycoon, wildcat driller ect.

 

 

 

 

This photo he used in his "Hugh Everett" profile. Hugh Everett was physicist that shares the same ideas about creation that Ken often refers to in his blogs.

You will not all the characters ken uses sport mustaches. Ken probably wears or mustache , or wishes he could grow one.

 

 

Ken always includes little"clues" in his characters. It makes him feel like he has pulled something over on the TYT community. This is the photo he used in his "LoredoLarry" The LoredoLarry photo is a web store photo of a "Mexican Bandit" costume. Ken often post flame baiting blogs about immigrants then claims a distant Mexican heritage as justification.

In closing don't fall for the lies. Ken is the sock puppet king at TYT.

 

 

 

by MRFred on 01/23/2010 01:03:32 PM EST

...was Whipped Topping.  Not only was it a rather ingenious play on words, but he had a lot of people fooled into thinking that Whipped really disliked Ken...

...and if there's one thing that Ken enjoys more than any other, it's when a lot of people believe his lies.

by EveningStarNM on 01/23/2010 01:27:09 PM EST

[ Parent ]

i never thougt of that but yeah...look at this. I was scanning through comments of whipped topping:http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2009/7/18/14822/ 2827?pid=11#15

In that comment Ken talks about parallel universes!

"if string theory is correct it could be from an alternate universe. Its from Hawaii..but not our Hawaii.

 In that universe the Lions won the Superbowl and Palin is the #1 Porn star in the US of North America that includes  what we call Canada.

Luckily Texas is still part of Mexico."

 

His Hugh Everet character: "Hugh Everett III (November 11, 1930 – July 19, 1982) was an American physicist who first proposed the many-worlds interpretation (MWI) of quantum physics, which he called his "relative state" formulation" Namely parallel universes.

See..little clues.

I ask you, who has that kind of time?

by MRFred on 01/23/2010 02:17:19 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Really? He had me fooled. Then again, he talked a lot of shit and never delivered on it...something at which Ken excelled. In a private (well, it used to be private) message to me, Whipped Topping said:

My name is Mark Tendagrossa and I am a staffer at TYTs ISP, ProData. I work with TYT periodically on the back end of the show and have been listening since the beginning.

My personal email is [withheld by the OneHilKill privacy police]

I'd be happy to share other "private" messages from him with the forum if it will help us get to the bottom of this mystery. He sent me quite a few of them.

by OneHitKill on 01/25/2010 02:16:51 AM EST

[ Parent ]
"Mark Tendagrossa" would be fired immediately if his employer found out.

"Tenda grossa" is Italian for "big tent", and the word "Tendagrossa" (with no space) doesn't appear anywhere else on the internet than in your comment that I can find, which would be strange if it was a legitimate family name.

Unfortunately, I can't find the article where Ken forgot which ID he had logged in as when he was posting under the "Hugh Everett" and "Whipped Topping" nicknames.  It seems to have been deleted.

But I would thoroughly enjoy reading any PMs that you got from "Mark Tendagrossa".  If there is a network admin for TYT's service provider doing what that message indicates, then for TYT's sake I would try to put that person in prison.
I enjoy helping people to experience the consequences of their actions, especially when they're in my profession.

by EveningStarNM on 01/25/2010 09:01:00 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Ken forgets that he's logged in as Whipped Topping when he writes a comment from Hugh Everett's point of view.

See his comment in that thread "It is a simple plan".

I'd saved that link in my Favorites.

by EveningStarNM on 01/25/2010 10:50:57 AM EST

[ Parent ]
A man with 423 advanced degrees in every science known to man can't grasp the simple concept of dynamic IP addresses. Sad really, a man who is an expert on climate, all forms of energy, economics, politics, and theology just can't grasp the simple concept that an IP address doesn't stay the same all the time.

We've finally found something he evidently doesn't hold and advanced degree in.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/25/2010 08:07:59 PM EST

[ Parent ]

the IP should be held accountable for the actions of its owner. We should stop rewarding bad behavior or the IP'S will continue to breed. Personally, I think Ken has been at the CIDR again .


So here it is Ken, big man, the owner of my IP address is listed as follows:

lightspeed.dybhtx.sbcglobal .net

AT&T Internet Services

2701 N. Central Expwy 

Richardson,TX,75080 US

NetRange: 99.0.0.0 - 99.127.255.255

CIDR: 99.0.0.0/9

My IP is one of 44,107,264  IP adresses controlled by ATT and available to its subscribers.

Now that I have shown you mine, what about you? Give me your IP and I'll give you my exact IP.

by MRFred on 01/26/2010 10:55:17 AM EST

[ Parent ]
a different IP address proves nothing

1) you could be using a VPN

2) you always claim to be on your blackberry right? If you are connecting to a WiFi hotspot your IP address will be different for each WiFi zone you connect to.

3) you could be using different computers in different locations

So really getting dave to post IP addresses is pointless, it doesn't prove anything.

Much more convincing is when you log in as a sock puppet and forget. I can't believe you messed up that bad.

So now everyone knows you were Whipped Topping. So why do you keep up this act that it wasn't you?

What is worse is the implications, you created a whole persona just to insult yourself, there is something seriously messed up about that.

by 0f course on 01/30/2010 11:42:01 AM EST

[ Parent ]

that KeNUTx has posted some non sequitur response to a simple demand, one he made by the way.

He is reluctant to give up his IP as expected.

It is clear that Kens plan was to provide "evidence" that he is being harassed ,systematic anti-conservative bias blah blah blah.

He is the only user with the time and access and knowledge of the blog history to pull such a stunt. If you look at the bog in its entirety, Ken by far is the largest user.

When I asked Tim about removing sockpuppets as was done before, he said, "Its not a huge priority.As far as I know, I'm the ONLY person who doesn't use sock puppets. " Basically with the newfound diversity on the forum, Kens sock-puppet attack to derail the boycott and provide a flame baiting foils as a vehicle for future personal attacks is of no consequence .

If you look at his post history Ken gleefully and proudly touts Republican dirty tricks against Democratic and progressive candidates. One would be justified to ask; Why would his behavior on TYT be any different?

Now that Kens plan of deception and subterfuge has been revealed , and it was rather clever in some respects, perhaps we can get back to the full time job of ignoring his drivel.

I'm sure ken is quite busy planing his "End Of Liberism " party with his shift mates at the refinery.

by Sock Puppet Fred on 01/27/2010 10:28:31 AM EST

[ Parent ]
The best Defense is a good Offense. Pity that he's playing Chuck and Duck which is a horrible Offense.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/28/2010 09:50:51 AM EST

[ Parent ]

didn't work for Dallas or the Longhorns.

I read that the Texas players all bow to "tower' and pray 5 times a day after the BCS game.

 

by MRFred on 01/28/2010 09:59:14 AM EST

[ Parent ]

"The Tower"

The Tower 

Is a Sacred Monument!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/29/2010 12:55:38 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Damn...what's really embarrassing is that, back when he outed himself, I noticed. But six months later, I'd completely forgotten about it. That's a powerful testament to just how little impact Ken's nonsense had on me. In a year, I doubt I'll remember him at all.

by OneHitKill on 01/26/2010 08:01:16 PM EST

[ Parent ]
But I didn't want to say anything :)

by EveningStarNM on 01/26/2010 08:21:47 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I missed that outing. But you're right, the fake last name is a dead giveaway.

by OneHitKill on 01/25/2010 08:15:00 PM EST

[ Parent ]

I'm sorry to have to join but based on my observations I have to agree with you. It's not that I care about his being abusive. I try not to encourage people that I believe may be suffering from a mental illness. Not because I don't want to talk to them (I do this all the time as I have a lot of contact with mentally ill individuals) but because I fear that these types of forums can contribute to their problems. This is especially true for paranoia but also other types where extreme attention seeking is part of their problem.

I don't join a boycott lightly, nor am I trying to be mean and insulting. I hope Ken will seek help, he seems to be a very troubled individual who has nothing better to do than bother people online. Get help please, Ken. And best wishes.

by susanfrom on 01/23/2010 01:35:32 PM EST

Hows that working for ya...The user in question has revealed an actual name associated with with the blog name.  I have no idea if they synonymous or the person behind the  alias picked that name out of a hat or knows the real person in some way.

I'm not saying the person is mentally ill. I'm not qualified to make that determination. the pattern of behavior is indeed disturbing and strange.  In the past I have warned the user that revealing personal information on the public web is foolhardy and dangerous. That fact does not deter him/her.

I can only conclude that the TYT user does not share those concerns because its not his / her information that is being revealed. If I am right, the real owner of the name is probably unaware that  his name and personal history being used in this manner.

Either way ,what one does in anonymity is a direct reflection on the public persona of that individual.

The user in question came to TYT about the same time G W Bush was ascendant in his presidency, post 9-11. His "Texan" persona reflects the desire to be "superior" by association relying on current events to bolster the fantasy.

Obviously, the person of interest has significant family issues. Family and the embellishment of family "accomplishments" and wealth is a common thread in his/her posts. To me that indicates a troubled and disappointing childhood.  The user is also severely homophobic, probably out of self loathing or some other traumatic childhood event.

The overtly racist comments and hate speech indicates transference of his intense resentment for being associated with that socioeconomic group throughout his childhood. He/she was probably bused to a school of upper or upper middle class origins adding to his sense of inferiority. His/her hate directed at the poor and disadvantaged indicate a poor, deprived upbringing with little happiness, an abusive, probably alcoholic father and a distant uninvolved mother and resentment for his wealthy classmates.

He/she has made several comments about the obese and his workout ethic, most likely due to his poor body image and weight issues.

Every new thread provides the user with an opportunity to create a web based fantasy world were he\she is the center of the universe, successful and rich. This explains why he/she gravitates toward conservative politics. On TYT he can claim to be one of the elite.

The user is most likely a male, 35-55 of mixed heritage, of lower social and economic class unmarried and incapable of maintaining a long term relationship.

He works in a hourly wage job, a job that provides him with access to a computer and ,most importantly, time. Jobs like a security guard , watchman or some shift work would be most likely.

"The resemblance of the profile to persons living or dead is purely coincidental "

by MRFred on 01/23/2010 03:40:10 PM EST

[ Parent ]
everytime I asked what are you doing up at this hour?  Like 3 am Houston time.. the answer always was   getting ready to go work out

so I have no problem with the scenario  

My guess is..  his Dr put him in the obese weight classification

He works at an oil based company around Houston as a night watchman.


by Chinese Democracy on 01/23/2010 04:07:07 PM EST

[ Parent ]

they are

my proofing sucks...

by MRFred on 01/24/2010 09:37:40 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I just nearly peed my pants at the Dr. Phil pix. Such a tool.

by LadyFriend on 01/24/2010 01:23:13 PM EST

[ Parent ]
7 new members

by MRFred on 01/24/2010 11:01:34 AM EST

All of this is speculation of course. The other explanation is he/she is so arrogant he thinks it cant happen to him/her, in other words, an idiot.

As they say : The Internet is serious business.

Well, not really.

There is a certain level of trust in any social media. Well adjusted people will discuss part of there personal lives as a matter of course.The people who use every opportunity to work in a personal reference are the ones you have to watch.

Its funny that a society that seems to be fixated on privacy can't keep its mouth shut about personal information. I am always amazed at the number of people who do not realize that millions of Internet users have the potential to read the material they post on the web. If you want to have a private conversation..do it in PRIVATE, and don't text or leave voice mail either...right Tiger?

The scariest place in the world( information assurance wise) to me is Facebook.

People put pictures of the kids, addresses, telephone numbers health conditions, you name it...it's insane. The controls are easily hacked,what a nightmare. What a goldmine for thieves and identity pirates.

Twitter is another one..."Hey Im at XYZ right now!." Meanwhile a van backs up to your house and takes all your stuff...

Consultants tell me that clients who are  serious about security and have proprietary information to protect block Facebook,AIM,IRC MySpace, Twitter ect.. and web based emails at their businesses.

Employees who work from the road do it with locked down VM ACE desktops ,  tunneling in to the corporate net through a boundry layer, a DMZ, then to CITRIX Meta frame , loading desktops based on job position.Internal employees use Citrix as well through a boundary layer. All locked down of course.

Touchy feely  companies who want employees to have access to these service can do so through "kiosk" applications separate from the internal network if they want to spend the cash.

Crazy world. I wonder what the next big social app is going to be?

by MRFred on 01/24/2010 12:44:48 PM EST

They can't have any fun.  There are days when I absolutely enjoy my work.

by EveningStarNM on 01/24/2010 02:05:03 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Your the guy who runs through through the office looking for unlocked desktops I'll bet.

by MRFred on 01/24/2010 03:14:47 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I'm especially reviled for my password policy.

Oooo!  I get a warm, tingly feeling just thinking about it!

by EveningStarNM on 01/24/2010 05:25:23 PM EST

[ Parent ]
of couse he should be shot, I mean boycotted, but really shouldn't we use words like love and kindness and togetherness. Maybe he cant help it he is from Texas you know.  Maybe someone should show him he err of his ways. Maybe a gang assfuck would help him get in touch with his feminie side and he would see the world from a different perspective.  No??? yea you're right ... just a thought

by stonemaster on 01/29/2010 02:51:49 AM EST

 

Hubs told me to look at this so I did...

No other user on TYT seems to have this problem. What is that?

It's not that your a conservative rather it is because your a dishonest and insufferable asshole. A jerk. A buffoon.

Period.

You have suggested each and every activity on your list to an individual ,TYT as a whole or "liberals" in general...more than once. Albeit not as crudely perhaps, but  the meaning was clear. Most were deleted by Dave.It took a couple of seconds but I found these:

 

The weakest guy in all of Texas would have no challenge kicking the ass of the toughest guy in all of New Jersey.That pretty much holds for all of "New England", or whatever you call that rat colony that you live in.

Now, if you will simply join him in Canada, you can get your Retrovir and Ganciclovir cocktail for free.
 

It means he is an equal opportunity cocksucker, regardless of race, creed, or color. It also means his latest boyfriend is Chinese. When he hooks up with a Palestinian, his sig will be in Arabic. 

Nice. you threaten the blogger then make fun of people with HIV inferring the user has HIV. Your posts are full of this stuff. It wont be long until the old f lammer is back. That's your purpose.

If your not insulting people, your sock puppets are.

What you can take away from this is that TYT has passed you by.

Get over it.



by MRFred on 01/29/2010 11:01:26 AM EST

[ Parent ]

Ken has always been self absorbed with the hit count on the blogs he post. In fact he has repeatedly boasted of his blogs often hitting over 100 comments.

We asked people to join us starting on December 3, 2009. Since that time Kenny's blogs have averaged a mere 17.7 comments. Down considerably from his previous offerings, and a sizable percentage of that average comes from his own sock puppets.

For the month of January his blogs have averaged an even more pathetic 10 comments per blog and again that's including his own sock puppet comments.

It must be hard for someone who's entire self worth was wrapped around the hit count on his post to see the numbers slipping away, while the number of post and new blog entries continue to escalate.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/30/2010 01:02:39 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I'm sure that Ken is spewing the principled opposition bull. That changes daily as well, his "purpose" changes faster than the weather.

Fact is Ken sole purpose here this to start flame wars and arguments where he can spin a new tale about his wealth and resume, insult or degrade his opponent and generally hijack threads, duck substantive discussion with rote repetition of talking points, ridicule, half truths and lies. He enjoys demeaning his opponents. He is in the Internet vernacular a troll, pure and simple.

Of course, its all about ken. "you just hate me because Im a conservative bull" is amusing. Even now he hides behind his politics. He simply has an irrational hate of those who expose his rich man fantasy for what it is, a fairy tale. Why don't other conservatives have this problem one has to ask. You don't see bobo or the new TWBA having this issue. We had one conservative who was honest about his hate, doominator, he was asked to leave after several weeks of insults, profanity. Ken doesn't have the integrity for that

by MRFred on 01/30/2010 09:19:46 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You guys are so funny. Creating a blog which tells people not to respond to anything Ken writes and in this blog responding to Ken is so republican. (republican is a new adjective I invented, I guess everybody can figure out the meaning.;))

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 01/30/2010 05:26:45 AM EST

[ Parent ]
"Creating a blog which tells asks people not to respond to anything Ken writes"

And your point?

by MRFred on 01/30/2010 08:36:00 AM EST

[ Parent ]
If you can't get the irony I can't help you.

You create a blog to ask people not to respond to Ken.
Ken posts in this blog.
You reply.

You really don't get the irony?

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 01/30/2010 09:13:33 AM EST

[ Parent ]
that your grasp of the obvious, and your celebration of your sudden appreciation of literary devices amuses you.

Yes, yes, yes, I appreciate the irony. I also , on occasion, will not let particularly virulent untruths go unanswered.

So now that you have pointed out the irony, don't you think its ironic that you have addressed irony at least three separate occasions were one would suffice? Ironic, isn't it?

by MRFred on 01/30/2010 09:27:00 AM EST

[ Parent ]

This is a true story, with minor name changes.

 

When I was a teenager I had the misfortune to have the acquaintance of a young man named Raymond. Raymond was one of those people that just had the ability to piss everyone off without trying. Most of us tolerated Raymond, but none of us actually were friends with him, he just happened to hang out at the same places we did.

 

One Saturday we had gathered at the local teen hangout and Raymond in his usual manner managed to piss off a friend of mine named Thomas. Now Thomas was a gentle giant and it took a lot to piss him off, but Raymond finally managed it. Thomas tried to get Raymond to go away but Raymond kept running his mouth until Thomas had enough and turned around and knocked Raymond to the ground. Most people would have had enough intelligence to give up at that point, but Raymond jumped back up and declared “YOU CAN’T EVEN DO THAT TO RAYMOND!” at which point Thomas hauled off and knocked Raymond to the ground again. One would think that Raymond would get the message but no, he jumped back up and again declared “YOU CAN’T EVEN DO THAT TO RAYMOND!” this continued over and over for several minutes with Thomas knocking Raymond to the ground, Raymond jumping back up and declaring “YOU CAN’T EVEN DO THAT TO RAYMOND!” until finally Thomas just said fuck it and walked over to were everyone was standing watching this scene play out and said “That fucker is retarded and I really don’t want to hurt him.” Meanwhile Raymond who’s face looked like a the punching bag it had been used for and who hadn’t landed a single punch strutted around like he had just won the heavyweight championship.

 

Now the point of this story is this; some people have questioned the boycott of a certain member of this forum and all his sock puppets.

 

 He repeatedly post statements like the following “If 300 liberals can’t easily defeat a lone conservative clown in a leading lefty political forum, then Democrats have a big LOGIC problem. Your arguments don't make sense.”

 

As any member of the forum who has been here awhile knows, he has repeatedly been defeated on so many issues so many times  that you would think he would move on, but no, like Raymond he keeps jumping back up with the same lies, talking points, and stupid analogies that have been proven wrong over and over and over that it has become apparent that he isn’t interested in debate or discussion, he is here to disrupt or he really is retarded.

 

 This is why we have decided to be like Thomas and walk away from someone who appears to be retarded because he can’t recognize when he’s had his ass kicked even when everyone else does. If he wants to continue to strut around like the “Rainman” repeating the same phrases over and over then we will not ask that he be banished or censored, we will merely continue to try to ignore him and hope that others will join the nearly 200 others who have decided to do the same.

 

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/30/2010 10:29:36 AM EST

[ Parent ]
"Now the point of this story is this; some people have questioned the boycott of a certain member of this forum and all his sock puppets."

One line from a Nine Inch Nails song:

"Nothing can stop me now, 'cause I don't care anymore."

Think about it.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 01/30/2010 11:02:05 AM EST

[ Parent ]

 

You can do better than that.

You're like a fundamentalist Baptist Preacher, who takes one line of Scripture out of context to try and make his point while disregarding the entire text.

I expect such silliness from Kenny, but you have actually posted some thought provoking comments, so I tend to expect better than.

Speaking of Nine Inch Nails, Kenny has more of the philosophy of

Got money's not looking for the cure.
Got money's not concerned with the sick amongst the pure.
Got money let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised.
Got money's not one to choose....
you know who you are.

 

 But I have thought about it, I you don't appear to understand I'm not trying to stop anyone I'm just not going to play his silly games.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/30/2010 11:14:31 AM EST

[ Parent ]

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 02/01/2010 06:30:51 AM EST

[ Parent ]
...that you are not an honest person.  That's all that I need to know about you.

by EveningStarNM on 01/30/2010 02:00:07 PM EST

[ Parent ]
No it isn't, just redundant. Not even Alanis Morissette would confuse that with irony.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 01/30/2010 10:59:07 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You have mastered redundancy as well. Your last 4 posts prove that.

by MRFred on 01/30/2010 12:02:49 PM EST

[ Parent ]

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 01/31/2010 04:30:18 AM EST

[ Parent ]
"Why did I start ignoring your posts? Because it 's just a waste of time"

Riddle me this, if I'm being ignored then why is he responding?


Now that's irony!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/31/2010 08:00:17 AM EST

[ Parent ]
...of how boring provocation only for the sake of provocation can be.

by EveningStarNM on 01/31/2010 08:04:13 AM EST

[ Parent ]

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 02/01/2010 06:35:18 AM EST

[ Parent ]
There's one thing that's more satisfying than responding to a troll's provocations, and that's not even reading them in the first place. Since the boycott started, I've scarcely so much as laid eyes on a post by Ken's sock puppets.

Have you noticed the difference? I used to make posts like this. Yikes...them's fightin' words!

Now I'm all sweetness and light*.

* the type that causes tooth decay and melts your eyes

by OneHitKill on 02/01/2010 10:41:28 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Sadly, I haven't needed high-topped boots for a decade -- until now, that is.

by EveningStarNM on 02/02/2010 02:26:54 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You have threatened lots of people with those same or similar things.  And even though you want to focus on that word "liberal", no one's animosity for you has anything to do with your pseudo-conservatism or your faux libertarianism, because you are neither.

True conservatives and libertarians actually do care about their country and about their fellow citizens.  You care about neither.  In fact, you have demonstrated time and time again that you are incapable of caring about anyone at all, but that is typical of psychopaths.

Although nothing that anyone has said ever to you has actually affected you because you are incapable of normal human feelings, you understand that you have earned our animosity.  In fact, you count on it so that you can use people's anger against them, such as with this "poor me" post of yours.

And there's one more thing that you can count on, Ken: you will continue to grow weaker and weaker in your influence in this community, until you completely disappear from our awareness regardless of what you do or say.  That's the inevitable result of your behavior.

You have become inconsequential, Ken.  No one cares what you think about anything, and no one cares about your criticisms.  In fact, there is probably only one person here who genuinely cares anything about you at all.  It's just too bad that you're incapable of returning the sentiment.  You can't even fake it convincingly.

So please feel free to continue complaining.  Who knows?  There's sure to be an unaware newcomer around here who will buy into your shit...

...for a little while.

by EveningStarNM on 01/29/2010 05:53:54 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I genuinely care about all people and I think you didn't mean me when you said that only one person cares about Ken.

Am I the only one amused of people responding to Ken in a thread that is dedicated to make people stop responding to Ken?

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 01/30/2010 05:30:38 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I'm so easily satisfied.:)

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 01/30/2010 09:14:25 AM EST

[ Parent ]
As one of the people on the "Boycott Ken" list, I want to clarify MY views.

I am tired of all the posts about the trolls, and boycotting the trolls and ignoring the trolls, etc... I am tired of the "intrigue" around all the various sock-puppets.

I find it irritating that the posts that get the most replies are either:

  1. about this very subject (i.e. "let's boycott KenTX)
  2. posted by one of the regular trolls
  3. start with a normal post but are they hijacked by a big war about trolls.

You know, it's sad that there are a lot of posts by normal people about good solid topics that don't get a lot of replies.

I think the ultimate anti-KenTX movement should involve feeding the posts of regular people versus ignoring the trolls. It's no fun for a newbie to come to TYT and make a post about something important to them and just to be ignored while the regulars simply continue to only be motivated by this incestual infighting.  It gets old and boring after a while.

This "ignoring the trolls" strategy needs to be augmented by making an effort to cull positive dialog.

Just my two cents.

by ilovecenk99 on 02/02/2010 12:41:53 AM EST

Instead of the negative approach of boycotting the trolls it would be nice to see people supporting thoughtful posts.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 02/02/2010 02:51:41 AM EST

[ Parent ]

And you contribution to this effort will be what exactly?

Practice what you preach.


by MRFred on 02/02/2010 09:00:33 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I nearly always respond to blogs or posts of members like Landbeyond and Thothlike, because they often bring new issues on the table, and I try to contribute to most posts that bring up something new. That will not keep me from responding to Ken and bobo, because they, at least, post with a little sense of humour, which many liberals here don't.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 02/03/2010 09:30:01 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I have a great sense of humor and I dont find either one of them funny witty or interesting


by Chinese Democracy on 02/06/2010 07:22:10 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Show me a list of great conservative comics

:-)

You say stupid things... whats the matter getting bored? Need a little attention?  


by Chinese Democracy on 02/06/2010 07:23:53 PM EST

[ Parent ]
if Ken or Bobo isn't really Cenk or one of the producers just trying to instigate debate, drive up traffic and make conservatives look stupid? Maybe that's why they never go away?

I have definitely wondered about that....

by ilovecenk99 on 02/06/2010 09:03:59 PM EST

[ Parent ]
The idea never crossed my mind until you mentioned it.  I will now discard it.

by EveningStarNM on 02/06/2010 10:38:52 PM EST

[ Parent ]

Thats why we formalized the "ignore" idea with a boycott, to give it more structure and serve as a reminder.

Ken was the obvious first to be ignored because his proclivity to troll, hijack threads and in general be an ass.

We are discussing expanding the boycott to other trolls.

Only the user community can make an effort to encourage positive dialog. It begins with eliminating the negative and with support of the TYT operators, that to date, has not been forthcoming.

The operators need to establish and enforce rules of conduct, providing user tools such as a server based "ignore" function, a rating system, "one man, one blog" and the ability for users to own their blog space.

Ultimately, only the user community can create and respond to positive dialog. Ken and his crew have survived here so long by playing on the desire to take a swing at the "enemy", bluster and bullying. As a result he has hijacked the entire Forum as a platform for his personal ego gratification.He thinks he owns the place. No longer.

by MRFred on 02/02/2010 08:58:46 AM EST

[ Parent ]
and I try to abide... however, sometimes it's extremely tempting... another question - are we boycotting all the conservative idiots who post here from time to time, or just sockpuppets of Ken? What about Bobo or Bobo1?

It's just hard to keep track.

Plus, even if we got rid of Ken, probably another douchebag will stumble upon the site and replace him, no?

More and more, I think the administrators of the site should just implement controls to limit him to just one user id.

by ilovecenk99 on 02/02/2010 06:58:14 PM EST

[ Parent ]
conservatives, idiots or otherwise, are in endless supply on political forums. Ken, if that's his real name, is the only "conservative" at TYT that has this problem. He's is simply a foul mouthed, mean spirited jerk.

by MRFred on 02/06/2010 02:57:10 PM EST

[ Parent ]
It is very unbecoming of someone with your intelligence and experience.

I would think that an old salty like you would need Ken, Twba and me to liven this otherwise droll and dismal spirited place up.

Have you noticed how many more non-sockpuppet conservatives are showing up here on the forum? The tides are turning against your failed ideology once again - the nation has had its taste of Obama style Liberalism and they have soundly rejected it...

;)

by bobo1 on 02/06/2010 05:52:40 PM EST

[ Parent ]
...then we might consider you as having some value to the community.  But you are simply to shallow and emotionally damaged.

by EveningStarNM on 02/06/2010 10:42:01 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Pot calling kettle black alert!!!

As a self admitted recovering alcoholic and former patient of various mental institutions, you have no room to talk...

by bobo1 on 02/06/2010 10:46:38 PM EST

[ Parent ]
...I am a recovered alcoholic.  And who knows?  One day you might be able to say that you've recovered from your crippling mental disorders -- but only if you start getting help for them soon.

by EveningStarNM on 02/06/2010 11:14:57 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Bobo's go to play seems to be the "drugs" pitch low and inside?

As someone recently pointed out "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".

His hero Mr. Limprod is a drug addict. The President he spent 8 years defending was a admitted drunk. Yet he loves to throw out druggie at the drop of a hat.

Could it be the recurring case of Kettle meets Pot?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 02/13/2010 09:16:25 AM EST

[ Parent ]
He's also big on mental illness.  He likes to accuse people of being off their medications.  He may be one of those who thinks that he doesn't need his, even though everyone around him wishes that he would take them.

by EveningStarNM on 02/13/2010 12:37:36 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Now everytime someone post a Glenn Beck or a Rush Limbaugh quote or reference we can refer back to this little jewel  from you and post the warning that you have supplied.
 
As we all know little Glenny is a self admitted recovering alcoholic and drug addict, former patient at a mental institute, so he really has no room to talk. Not to mention Rush who is a recovering drug addict who was a patient in rehab.

I feel better knowing we never again have to read their lunatic rantings again, and I'd like to thank you for supporting this policy.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 02/07/2010 06:16:24 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I dont know how many conservatives are showing up on this site..

enlighten me

is it less than 3?

since your brand of extremism makes up a small percentage of the population. Im not to worried about tides turning.

The more the regressives pander to the birthers  and the climate change deniers  the worse it is for them.

Obama is not a liberal  and if you think he is you are totally ignorant.


by Chinese Democracy on 03/02/2010 12:18:40 PM EST

[ Parent ]
doesnt believe in rules

I wonder what his feeling are about traffic lights?


by Chinese Democracy on 02/16/2010 11:07:48 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Ken has often sucked newcomers who are unaware of his psychopathy into a conversation which ends with him spewing vile insults and driving them away.  I would rather that those newcomers stay and meet others in our community, but Ken posts deliberately inflammatory articles in order to snare the unwary.

I sometimes post requests in his articles for people to join the boycott.  I give reasons why it's a good idea and I post a link to more information.  I would like newcomers to know what they're in store for if they engage with Ken.

If you don't like it, I don't care.  I'm not twisting your arm to read my comments, and someone else might consider those warnings to be a service.

by EveningStarNM on 02/02/2010 06:23:50 PM EST

[ Parent ]
100% when it comes to personal inflammatory attacks on new users.. it's really intimidating and could drive them away...

by ilovecenk99 on 02/06/2010 09:01:20 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Okay, so I'm reading this book right now which is written by the guy who created oppodepot.com which is a political site created to collect opposition "rumors" on various political candidates. What's interesting is that he really created this site as a social experiment (incidentally, he was the same guy who created "flashmobs").

Anyway, during this social experiment he specifically tried three angles. First he ran a test period where he ran negative stories about both sides (Dems and Repubs) equally. Then he ran a test period where he ran negative stories only about the GOP. Finally, he did a test period where he ran only negative stories about the Democrats.   The results for the bipartisan mudslinging test period were off the charts - and the site was very successful. However, once the site began running negative stories about only one party, the traffic deeply declined. It seems that the only time the site was booming was when BOTH sides were engaged.

Therefore, if the ultimate goal of the TYT forum is traffic, hype, hits and activity then this forum needs to remain balanced... There are many sites where progressives can go to interact with other progressives... however, they probably won't be as popular as a site where you've got a lot the opposing side there.  Sometimes I even think that perhaps the reason the administrators won't get rid of some of the trolls (who shall remain nameless) is because they know that this back/forth increases participation and followers.

I don't know... just a thought...

by ilovecenk99 on 02/03/2010 06:46:43 PM EST

When we have some real conservatives join the forum I look foward to debating them.

I and others have just come to the conclusion that trying to have a discussion with individuals who repeat the same talking points, post the same stupid photoshopped photo's, have an over inflated since of their own importance and insist on regailing the forum with their imagined exploits and accomplishments which taken as a whole make them the most educated, most successful, most athelitic, most sexual person to have ever walked the planet.

In other words we are tired of dealing with either a compulsive liar or a very delusional individual who obviously needs to adjust his meds.

Personally I think he has a Jesus Complex, after all he does say he is here to convert the young "My goal is to convert young liberals from voting Democrat, to voting Republican or Libertarian." 
Here note the title and the comment

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 02/03/2010 08:27:38 PM EST

[ Parent ]
"My goal is to convert young liberals from voting Democrat, to voting Republican or Libertarian. In order to accomplish this, I need to make them feel ashamed and embarrassed about ever having voted Democrat. I need to make them feel revulsion and disgust for the Democrat Party."

I dont really care what his goal or motives are.

He is a hate filled loathsome creature that doesnt deserve my time .


by Chinese Democracy on 02/04/2010 01:00:44 PM EST

[ Parent ]
is the back and forth.

The subject of the boycott thinks so too, as long as you are the "back" and he is the "forth". As soon as the subject is bested or the subject of a mild joke, out comes the knives, either in that thread, or in other threads, where the insults fly.

I have yet, after years of trying, to have a conversation about serious issues with the boycott subject simply because that is not his goal. He will not honestly discuss anything. Period. When you engage him and concede even the littlest point, out comes the victory dance replete with insults. So the debate he claims to crave is in reality an Internet version of the Charlie Brown and Lucy football trick.

Every thread is a tired rehash of GOP/ pundit talking points, dishonestly presented in such a way to belittle and ridicule the participants or hijack the conversation into a flame contest. The "I'm rich and you're a loser" theme permeates his post. The obvious reason he participates is a heretofore undisclosed need to reinforce his self esteem at the expense of others. .

Like I said about we don't care if your conservative. Every system, mechanical, economic or political needs some form of restraint ,from the left or right, or the reaction will become uncontrolled with catastrophic consequences.

Politically, conservatives provide that function. We need them, they need us. Without the back and forth, no progress will be made.

In regard to the boycott subject, Its tiresome and we aren't playing anymore.

by MRFred on 02/04/2010 10:41:05 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You make a compelling argument.

 I'm on the fence about this boycott. On the one hand It's pretty obvious that Ken will never concede any ground on any matter...ever. And therefore engaging him in debate in the first place is fairly pointless(although sometimes fun). On the other hand does it create more traffic to TYT? having people who post idiotic controversial comments probably does create more traffic.....

by 0f course on 02/04/2010 07:44:38 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Nobody might be able to convince Ken, but maybe that shouldn't be the aim. He posts something, somebody does some research and posts "proof" of the truth and open minded people might have learned something.

He is like the (unaware) advocatus diaboli that makes us aware of the right-wing talking points and how to debunk them.

And sometimes it is entertaining to argue with him, even though he will never agree on something. Still, behaviour like that is not limited to the conservatrolls on this site. There are very few instances where people here really consider the arguments of the others and try to reach a synthesis. Mostly it is about showing that your position is true.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 02/05/2010 02:20:50 AM EST

[ Parent ]

I'm sure that in the body of this website  we have been given, by the grace of God and the Founders, a self serving explanation why the troll posts here. The explanation usually go like this

1. Convert young men to (?) conservatism.

2. Show liberals the "truth".

3. Exercise constitutional right of free speech.

4. Express the conservative point of view.

5. Propogate GOP propaganda.

The real reason is simple, our friend is a small, small man in a big, big world. Terrorizing TYT with grandiose personal nonsense , insults, demeaning opponents , making openly racist, misogynistic comments is his way of getting what he doesn't get at home: attention. In this way he is a "big man" in a small world he believes he can dominate, the world of TYT. For him, TYT is an escape, a substitute for the reality of deep and disappointing personal failures in the real world.

He thinks he is in control with his fabrications, tall tales and "undebatable" conservative 'logic' none of which contains one original though other than paraphrasing the conservative talking point of the week. You will notice in the selected bits ( of thousands) of conservative opinion that the pervasive theme is "manhood" and "achievement", things that our friend obviously has issues with, hence his need to remind the reader of his self described superiority. Below are just a few of the "conservative" opinions we are treated to here at TYT.

___________________________ ___________________

"The "explanation:"

--Most of the participants on this board have 0.0 contact with conservatives. I fill an important role by providing the other side of the story that you would otherwise never hear.

And here is the other side we would never hear:

---I want to have no contact with liberals. They want to legislate and adjudicate me into submission. I've been fighting liberal domination for 30 years. They want to tell me what car to drive, and how much of my money I can keep, and whether I can own a gun, and who my doctor will be, and what I can do with my land, and who I can rent my house to. I have absolutely no fear of the Religios Right, even though I'm not a religious guy. Its liberals who want to control my life.

---Let's see Democrats lay out the truth for the American people."Hello non-producing, non-achieving, lower economic-rung, mentally deficient, losers of America. We love you, because there are so damn many of you, and you get us elected!

---This forum is full of stupid participants, but you are well beyond stupid.

---You're a bunch of weakling, unaccomplished cowards who hide among the masses waiting to receive the bounty of the labor and accomplishments of far more worthy men.

----Liberals are rapidly becoming extinct as a species. When you add up the effects of widespread abortion, long prison sentences, gay urban lifestyle, and elimination of welfare, liberals are simply not reproducing at the rate of conservatives.That's why the Democrat Party is hell bent on wide open borders and American citizenship for Mexicans.

---Hey dumbass, there's a 4% unemployment rate out there. Get yourself a job, and then get yourself some health insurance. Then shut up.

---Because liberals would never vote. On the weekends, they are too busy smoking crack, drinking malt liquor, and fucking each other up the ass to be bothered to vote.

---The reason it's so easy for me to defeat liberals in this forum is because you people are fucking stupid. I'm talking about low down, mentally retarded stupid."

---Dave the Moderator was just being nice to Tiny the Homo. He didn't know how to tell him that Ken The Texans pays a lot of money to post in the ForumHe should have answered like this:Gay Guy go bye bye?Well, bye bye Gay Guy

---Unfortunately the groom (or bride?) died of a perforated colon. But that might be better than the slow, agonizing death associated with "Horse AIDS".

---AIDS is killing you and yours; not me and mine.

---The dude is gay, so it's gotta be Tiny. All the other gay guys in the world have already died of AIDS. Scientists are studying Tiny to find out how he is managing to survive.

---You must be the last remaining Darrin Stephens, the one who managed to avoid succumbing to AIDS. darrins

America has known about AIDS since 1982. If you didn't contract the disease from sharing a dirty hypodermic needle or allowing another man to inseminate your lower intestinal tract, then it is certainly not your fault, and I apologize.

---KenTX Drug Company just invented a sure fire cure for AIDS. Forget about the millions I pay for R&D and torts lawyers. I want to charge Leeberal $3000 per pill because my drug is the only thing that will work, and he needs it or he will die. I think I deserve the Noble Prize, billions of dollars in confiscatory windfall profits, and the eternal gratitude of turd burglers worldwide.

---Just remember that whenever you see a post from a pro-gay participant with a name like Tiny Demon, Leeberal, ZaKK, neon, XxX, Beyondhiv, Dylan, Eva Destruction, they're all the same guy.Remember the Chinese proverb:"If you wait by the river long enough, you will see the body of your enemy float by ."Eventually, he will succumb to AIDS.

---Democrats are working very hard to get the vote for ex-convicts, but my plan will solve this problem. I will eliminate future convicts, drug addicts, retards, and Democrat voters in one fell swoop. Catch em when they're sperm, and they're much easier to flush.

---We successfully demonized the word "liberal" until it became so reviled that not even liberals wanted to be labeled as liberals. We're currently doing the same thing to the words "Democrat" and socialist".

---Are you mentally retarded, or mentally ill, or both? You remind me of Democrat Mark Ritchie, a guy who keeps changing his story because he doesn't even know what the truth it.

---Democrats are aborting themselves into extinction, while Republican families are veritable baby factories. So the cumulative effect of widespread abortion, gay marriage, long prison sentences, and welfare reform is a steady decline in the population of moochers, democrats and assorted socialists.

---Bill Clinton will forever be known as a rapist and a sexual predator because he raised my taxes.

---Listen to me Zippy. Besides being a fucking abject loser, you are also mentally retarded. You are not worth a warm bucket of piss. You are a waste of space and oxygen.

---Give the money to people on the left side of the curve, who are the drug-addled, drunk, lazy, shiftless, mental-retards.

---50% of all Americans have an IQ lower than 100. So we are supposed to rob achievers of their incentive to produce and grow the economy, by taking away their money and giving it to lazy, substance-abusing, mentally-retarded people.

---It's pretty easy to demonstrate that highly intelligent couples generally produce highly intelligent offspring, while mentally retarded people generally produce mentally retarded offspring. That's why the IQ curve is determinative for various factors such as upward mobility and financial success.

---We'll have to increase taxes by trillions of dollars to pay for all this shit, and this will create an incredible drag on the economy, and force many of you to lose your jobs. But that's the fucking point, retards! Our goal is to make everyone of you dependent upon the Federal Government for your very subsistence.

---We will have a very happy subset of America ( blacks), representing 12% of the population. There will be a proud and vociferous reaction, kind of like the aftermath of a Detroit Pistons Championship victory.The other 88% of Americans will be dismayed and troubled.

---Well OK. It's like talking to a "Mentally Retarded" six year old.Liberals want to sit on their fukking asses and complain about the budget deficit, the trade deficit, the unemployment rate, and the price of gasoline at the pump. If you worthless sons of bitches will kindly get the fukk out of the way, and let the real men handle the problem, we might be able to get some work done.

---After the Crabcake Primaries, some of Hillary's base is being eroded by Obama: white women, old people, mentally retarded people, even some of the Hispanics.

---The reason it's so easy for me to defeat liberals is because you people are fucking stupid. I'm talking about low down, mentally retarded stupid. That's why you're sitting around trying to figure out how to increase other people's taxes, so you can redistribute income to mentally retarded people, thereby propagating and increasing the number of Democrat voters.

---Liberals like ProfRich and desertpair and ihavenofuckingclue are complete imbeciles on the subject of energy. What I mean by that is that these three individuals are totally mentally retarded when it comes to issues such as producing oil or converting energy from one form to another. And yet they continue talking about energy, as if they have something worthwhile to say on the subject. Who pioneered offshore drilling technology? George Herbert Walker Bush. Who ran the largest oil service business in the world? Dick Cheney. Who is the only person in this forum with any experience in the oil business? KenTX ( and juebawl) Liberals are making ridiculous statements about it taking 20-30 years to bring in oil from a goddam production tract. Which one of you stupid assed sons of bitches has ever drilled a well?
What the fuck do you people know about oil? NOTHING! I drilled three wells on my land, and I was receiving royalty checks in less than a year. The AMERICAN OIL, produced on my land, was shipped to Texas refineries.The AMERICAN OIL, produced on my land, created many good paying jobs for roughnecks, routstabouts, drillers, truckers, refinery workers, and the like. The AMERICAN OIL produced on my land created significant tax revenue for the state of Texas and the U.S. Treasury. The AMERICAN OIL, produced on my land, helped reduce the dependency of this country on oil imported from the Middle East.

---The Democrat Party is like the blind, retarded hog that finally lucked out and stumbled across a fucking acorn. You got very lucky, and you might even win an election. Big deal .

---They never did a damn thing with the tiny piece of geography called "Palestine" when they lived there. Rather than leave, and go somewhere and build a new life for themselves, they stubbornly squat in the sand like camels.The UN needs to take up a collection from developed nations, and relocate these mentally retarded zoo animals to a fucking nature preserve. They are a waste of space and oxygen. /b>

---Then the mystery will be over, and we wil learn that the true identity of the puppet master is Mentally Retarded Fred.;'


by MRFred on 02/06/2010 02:42:20 PM EST

Rob as you know, Since I arrived at the Forum I was accused of either being a sock puppet of using a sock puppet. In fact Kens MO is accuss opponents of being sock puppets, he does it all the time.

Affter all he still accuses you of being me or Tim.

He also creates "alter egos" when the heat is on to divert attention form his miscreant ways. LBJdem magically appeared when KenTX annouced he was leaving.

---My choice of topics and words were inappropriate and embarrassing, and this is the reason I am leaving the forum.  11/26/2006 KenTX

---I've been stalked and threatened!But wait a minute. This is an internet forum, where everyone is using a nic, and most of the characters are phony sock puppets of anonymous participants.So it really doesn't matter. Never mind. LBJdem AKA KenTX

---We are now all immune from prosecution and litigation.Let the fun begin!by LBJdem on 12/13/2006 

Hugh Everett was a "nice" Ken but as usual his hatred for all thing TYT gave it away. He created socks puppets to defeat the rating system, he created sock puppets to prove persecution of "conservatives". He harbors a persistent persecution complex in addition to his other forms of aberrant behavior.

Here Ken accuses Medford Tim of using sock puppets:

---Timbo, I'm sure you've noticed that an unknown forum participant has invented several sock puppet characters who communicate in the contrived voices militant gays.If this was your comic bit, it was very funny.Are you ready to confess? KenTX 11/18/2006

Here he accuses me of using sock puppet, the first on many:

The last time I debunked this many fallacies, the opposing forum participant simply threw up his hands, surrendered, and walked away in defeat, with his head hanging low in shame. We never heard from him again. I kinda miss that guy. His name was DenverAdam, and today, he would have been rooting for the Broncos to bitch slap the Rams. Sometimes we called him Speedo but his real name was Mr…HEY WAIT A MINUTE!KenTX on 09/10/2006

Here he accuses new users of being a sock puppet

---What a clever head fake. We were all fooled by that move. As if a newbie would implore the gallery.Why don't you try to give different voices to your sock puppets? They all sound distinctly similar. At least this one hasn't referenced homosexuality yet. KenTX 11/23/2006 KenTX on 06/09/2008

---I have liberated dan pearce, and his sock puppet, Cmatrix. KenTX on 12/30/2008

---That I exposed another one of your sock puppets. Here's a hint for your future nics. Don't make them care about gay rights. Its a dead giveaway, because only about one in a million people care about stuff like that. C-ya! 

---There are two long term veterans of the forum who are playing silly little bullshit games. They are employing an array of sock puppets to harrass any participant who expresses opinions to the right of Dennis Kucinich.LBJdem on 12/21/2006

---Sock puppets are easy to identify. They are non-stop inflammatory, and they never volunteer personal information about themselves LBJdem on 12/21/2006

Here he accuses me of being Tims sock puppet and reveals he has discovered a new tactic, one he currently uses:

---When you start conversing with your own sock puppet, you're taking it one step too far.
MRFred has been around a long time, but I don't think Tim has ever actually communicated with him before.It's a nice diversionary tactic though. I'm surprised you didn't think of it before.  KenTX on 12/29/2006

Here Ken accuses OneHitKill of being a MRFred sock puppet

---I was under the impressesion that MRFred showed up around the same time I did."JesseJace disappeared around the same time you showed up.For a while, I was relieved with this good fortune

And again

---My simple comment rendered this "Mr Fretz" blog completely hapless, feckless, and useless. I walk away with smug satisfaction, and utter destruction in my wake.KenTX on 08/16/2008

And again

---OK. Its over. Very funny. Who was the owner of that sock puppet? Fred? Tim? Dub, did you get an IP on that guy?

And Again

Whenever a "new participant" stalks me around the forum, looking for a fight, they end up receiving the same treatment that Billy Bob Thorton got in this scene.

Consider it my little welcome gift basket for the new guy.After Robrob is exposed as a sock puppet of a long time forum member, this will be even more sweet. KenTX on 08/19/2008

And Again

---Robrob is a sock puppet of one of our forum regulars. The purpose of a sock puppet is to mask one's identity when they are engaging in unsavory activity.His true identity will be revealed to the forum in the near future. His raison d'être is to stalk my posts. KenTX on 02/16/2009

And Again

---I have been labled a "liar" by Robrob, a guy who has done nothing but lie since he first appeared as a phony sock puppet. Its time to expose the lies and the phony identities.KenTX on 02/17/2009

And Again

---I'm afraid he really is gone man, gone. I hope he returns under his old nic, so we can go back to engaging in polite , friendly debate. This is preferable to his malicious sock puppet who constantly stalks, harrasses, and insults.KenTX on 03/27/2009

And Again 

There's nothing more credible than a one post sock puppet with a goofy, obviously made up name. bKenTX on 04/15/2009
- Is this by a Troll?? Block <strong>There's nothing more credible</strong> - Is this by a Troll?? Block <strong>one post sock puppet</strong>

Here Ken announce he is in fact the one who run users off

---I don’t care if you’re a newby or just another sock puppet, you are about to receive a rude initiation on how things work in this forum. When you try to challenge me, and waste my time, you better get your facts in order.

---Twba kills threads. I kill nics. By the time I am finished with your dumb ass, you will either leave with your tail between your legs, or start posting incognito, under a new nic. Ahhh, sounds like another Jesse sock puppet! Either word, weiner or wiener, applies to liberals. KenTX on 03/07/2007

Here ken announces his true thoughts on using sock puppets:

----But this guy has goobers like zippy and DesertedBrain so tied in knots that maybe we should employ more sock puppets, just to liven up the place.Sock puppets can say stuff that upstanding members of the community (like you and me) are unable to say.

---I have made very limited use of sock puppets in the past, but I'm starting to reconsider my position on this issue, just like Obama is doing on drilling for oil. KenTX on 08/14/2008

---i've noticed that the most annoying participants are always the same people who are least able to handle personal criticsm. This comes in mighty handy from time to time.to the forum. I have nothing to hide KenTX on 08/18/2008

Here the user Whipped Topping, who Ken accuses of being my sock puppet lays out his strategy, KenTXs strtegy, to prove conservative "persecution".

---Read this My tyt mentor told me to imitate mrfred among others. I would put Kenhughlbjleeb-whoever, AKA Kenny LogIns.No I'm not mrfred. Kenhughlbjleeb-whoever, AKA Kenny LogIns sez everyone is mrfred.No Im not a sock puppet  All I wanted to do was to enjoy the show and have a friendly discussion.Thats all the regulars wanted to do That's all the newbee's wanted. Kenhughlbjleeb-whoever makes damn sure that isn't going to happen.

I left for a while after Kenhughlbjleeb-whoever attacked me and insulted my military service demanding I prove I served. I said who needs to PAY for this shit . I have decided Kenhughlbjleeb-whoever was  not going to run me off. A sockpuppet is like a lump of clay. It can take any shape you want it to. mrfred? Sure. It is sooooo easy ,his writing style is unique.It is also easy to imitate Kenhughlbjleeb-whoever, his lying style is uniqueSemper Fi Whipped Topping on 07/13/2009


So what to make of the small sample of KenTX'isms?

Ken has used and continues to use sock puppets, he has laid out the strategy of their deployment in bit and pieces in his posts. hHs constant accusal's of me perpatrating sock puppet attacks and tricks is right from his play book, used to discredit me and scare off users who challenge him for his deceptive posts.

He is an admirer of Swiftboating, this campaign is an example.

by MRFred on 02/16/2010 09:28:46 AM EST

Forum users.

Kens admiration for dirty tricks and smears is well documented. Is it any surprise he clings to the sad old "MrFred" did it rant?

 
---Whenever you post the words "Kerry" or "Swiftboat", I'll be prepared with an automatic response. I'll simply cut and paste these beautiful ads. They shut down all debate on the subject.Hell, they shut down the entire Kerry Campaign.

---'-m just showing how to fight Democrat swift boating. This is the equivalent to the attacks on Bush's Texas Air National Guard service.

---You guys don't have what it takes to swiftboat. You're out of your league. You're out of your depth.
---Dems are trying to swift boat. They are trying very hard. They just don't have what it takes. Witness the Bush DUI story. Lame ass Dems.

 ---Kerry was dominating Bush in the Gallup Polls. Kerry continued to lead until August.
And then the swift boats appeared.

---I saw what the Swift boaters did with my money in 2004, and it was amazing. I like paying for quality negative advertisement.

---you're young, and stupid Compare the Reverand Wright thing with the Swift boat thing.Which issue do you think has more legs?
 
---Here Ken announces his status as an "insider" and his willingness to use dirty tricks

---“Ken acts like he's a member of the vast right wing conspiracy.  You're just an observer, not a participant.”

What the fuck do you know about me?
I’m an observer, a participant, and a contributor KenTX on 03/14/2008

 ---In 2004, when the Swift boat Veterans for Truth starting moving Kerry’s numbers downward, I immediately shifted campaign contributions from the GOP to the SBVFT.  As I recall, in July 2004, I set up an automated PayPal payment of $25 per day, and let it run until November. There is no limit in contributions to 527s. I considered it a dollar cost averaging investment that could be terminated in the event that the operation started showing poor returns. I let it run until November.It was people like me who sunk John Kerry’s swiftboat, not Karl Rove.

---It's a great argument. Here's how you can tell. The argument got John Kerry indicted and convicted in the court of public opinion. It totally sunk his swift boat. He is nothing more than a historical asterisk.

 
The best evidence :


I paid good money for the ads. Those evil SBVFT people? It was me! Sweet lil ol' Kenny T from Texas and Tennessee!If you guys have some good swiftboat dirt on McCain, let's hear it now

We're Republicans! We want to win at all cost!  KenTX on 03/03/2008

 
That sums it up. Nothing is too outlandish for Ken to try to discredit and silence the opposition.

by MRFred on 02/16/2010 09:35:36 AM EST

KenTX is quick to gather "evidence" Dont belive the misinformation.

Unfortunately for KenTX , a group of unrelated quotes in a public forum proves nothing other than Ken is very clever to pick out usage from me( or other users )and use it in his  sock puppets.

It also proves lots of people read these posts, it is a PUBLIC forum.

Here Ken describes his strategy, generate outrage over "unfair attacks" in his defense of one John McCain:

---There were a million attacks on John McCain's age, and his cancer condition in this very forum. Nobody was outraged, because the target of the attack was a Republican. KenTX on 04/29/2009

---After all of the vicious attacks on John McCain, no Democrat is allowed to complain about ageism, ever again. Don't even try it. KenTX on 04/29/2009

This quote, in his own words , says it all. Ken will stop at nothing to "win". He forgot he was willing to toss McCain under the bus to "win"

---I paid good money for the ads. Those evil SBVFT people? It was me! Sweet lil ol' Kenny T from Texas and Tennessee!If you guys have some good swiftboat dirt on McCain, let's hear it now .

We're Republicans! We want to win at all cost!  KenTX on 03/03/2008

Here Ken backs away from a previous prediction with a bold face lie:

---I was wrong But not about Freddy Thompson. Any kind words I ever said about him were in jest. I'm sure I can find where I stated Thompson is a nice guy, but weak sauce KenTX on 11/15/2008

---The reason is because South Carolina is representative of the South, and the South votes as a solid block. And we know where the strength of the Republican party resides. The South will choose the nominee, and the most likely candidate is Fred Thompson. by KenTX on 04/16/2007

I don't get the joke, do you?

No lie is to big, no scheme to outrageous, anything to win.

Irrefutable

by MRFred on 02/16/2010 10:08:25 AM EST

Here Ken backs away fro the Tea party, the Teaparty he previously used as a blugeon to ridicule TYT memebers:

Glenn Beck created the monster, and now he's trying to reign it in before it consumes him, FoxNews, and the GOP.I'm telling you that Murdoch, Ailes, Beck (and maybe even the GOP) have people working on this thing, because it could take down the whole empire. by KenTX on 02/15/2010

Earlier the Tea Party was the GOP taking down the Democrats:

I'm actually going to the events and talking to the people on the ground. This groundswell of angry people has one uniting force. They want all Democrats voted out of office.by KenTX on 01/10/2010 

Dening the astroturf claim, (note in latest comment it was created by "Glen Beck and Fox"):

There was ZERO evidence of "astroturf" organization.

There were young couples with their children and older people, and all ages in between. I talked with many of the attendees and they were all angry about the Democrat health care proposals.If you want to point to "organization& amp; quot;, it is true that Tea Party groups on meetup.com published Doggett's schedule. But these guys have been protesting everything Obama since 15 April 2009.These protests are following all Democrat lawmakers, wherever they show up.

by Hugh Everett on 08/05/2009

That's what the Tea Party was all about. It was a grass roots movement to ask the question, "Who is going to pay for all of this shit?"Zippy, I'm just looking out for you man.

by KenTX on 04/22/2009

 

More lies. Irrefutable

by MRFred on 02/16/2010 10:25:31 AM EST

"I have purposely avoided responding to or engaging ken or bobo in any of their various antics or guises. I don't find it to be at all constructive. Sadly, I've also been participating in the forums less and less because a tone of civility and intelligent exchange seems to be completely optional. It's one thing to say, "I disagree" and explain why, it's also junior high to throw in "asshat."  I don't see myself engaging in much of anything in the forums any longer, and I do think that is sad. Thank you for your efforts and I wish them well."

 

by MRFred on 02/17/2010 09:57:29 AM EST

 

 

NEW NEW NEW [UPDATE]

 

Post you favorite KenTX quotes, prognostications, prevarications and misinformation here! Organized by subject.

Why We Boycott KenTX: KENTX Credibilty Watch

Why We Boycott KenTX: KENTX Credibilty WatchPart II

 

 

 


 2009 Winner!

 

 

 

 

 

by MRFred on 02/17/2010 10:08:26 AM EST

dallasguy1979

by MRFred on 02/17/2010 12:16:19 PM EST

We are debating weather to expand the boycott to include bobo after his latest purposeful race baiting exercise:

 

From Hubble and MRFred 2/28/10

The latest effort at coordinated trolling by KenTX and his side kick Bobo1 demonstrates why we boycott KenTX. It is summarized in the note to Hubble by a former TYT member

    "I have purposely avoided responding to or engaging ken or bobo in any of their various antics or guises. I don't find it to be at all constructive. Sadly, I've also been participating in the forums less and less because a tone of civility and intelligent exchange seems to be completely optional. It's one thing to say, "I disagree" and explain why, it's also junior high to throw in "asshat."  I don't see myself engaging in much of anything in the forums any longer, and I do think that is sad. Thank you for your efforts and I wish them well."

We will soon consider if we should add bobo1 to the boycott because of his purposeful use of race baiting to , in his words " irritate liberals.

If you think we should boycott bobo 1 as well please respond to MrFred or Hubble in the affirmative."

I personally think bobo demonstrates the worst of conservative "values" and makes a useful display the depravity associated with the far right fringe.

Please know when we announced the boycott the first response was how we were restricting the freedom of speech, we were censoring KenTX / Hugh Everett or attempting to establish a web based version of the fairness doctrine.

Freedom of speech does not guarantee an audience nor, as our conservative friends often point out, a platform. We are graciously provided a platform by TYT, they can also take it away if they choose. After that, it's up to the TYT member.

More often than not, the solution proposed by KenTX / Hugh Everett to complaints about Fox and "conservative" pundits is to simply not read the offensive material, turn the channel or close your ears.

Very true, we agree. The lack of comments on KenTX / Hugh Everett blogs proves our point. Other things you should know are:
   

* If you choose to engage KenTX \ Huge Everett in" debate" that is, of course, your privilege.

 

* We are making no attempt ban "conservatives", KenTX \ Huge Everett from TYT. First KenTX \ Huge Everett is  not a real conservatives on. Second people are banned from TYT for poor behavior, not politics.
   

*We engage users who honestly represent their views and are truly representative of the conservative point of view, unsavory or otherwise honestly.
   

*KenTX / Hugh Everett now demands an audience and threatens to disrupt any attempt to provide tools and choices to users to tailor their TYT experience to meet their needs. This will be done through the use of sock puppets and surrogates. He has switched back to his alias of KenTX and has used at least 5 sock puppets to date to circumvent the boycott.

Don't be fooled.

Freedom of choice is a simple concept. One that cuts both ways with impunity. That fact infuriates so called "conservatives":
    * We choose not to play the game any longer.

    * We choose not to dignify the bait and switch tactics, personal attacks and insults employed by KenTX / Hugh Everett in his blogs.
    * We choose not to participate in enabling KenTX / Hugh Everett personality issues, "personal information" red herrings and attempts to influence the debate with superfluous personal information.
    * We choose not to listen to claim of bribes through (fictitious) "donations" to TYT , exaggerated claims of "insider" influence over the TYT programming staff and duplicitous offers of personal favors and friendship.



Signed: The TYT kenTX\HughEverett Boycott Team

by MRFred on 02/28/2010 10:10:59 AM EST

and bash liberals  just like ken tool

there isnt any difference

except bobotaitz uses what he thinks are the persons real name to breed a false sense of familiarity.

Bobotaitz is the worst   he unashamedly racist..   a total homophobe   ( hopes I die of aids etc)  

The moderator has been private messaging him trying to get him to stop posting  homophobic shit  

At this point he should be IP banning him  not scolding him


by Chinese Democracy on 03/02/2010 12:26:20 PM EST

[ Parent ]

Its really funny. ha ha. "die from aids" ha ha

The other day Ken tool,told me he hoped I wasn't going to be around long. Nice. It was dleted.

Nothing like "debate" eh?

by MRFred on 03/02/2010 02:21:17 PM EST

[ Parent ]
You know what, I saw the title of the blog and the author and I didn't even read it.  Why bother... I knew it would be stupid.

However, I just read it out of curiosity since it has stimulated this blog over here.  

Bobo1 is a dork. He starts off the blog stating that the earthquake was bigger in magnitude and therefore deserves more press coverage. Then later claims that it's not about size at all (backpeddling begins).When everyone starts posting facts and figures comparing the two quakes and their death tolls, then he tries to make the point that even if one person died in Chile the media should make a huge deal out of it because 1 life, 2 lives, 100,000 lives, it should all be treated exactly the same in the media, correct?  

In the end, his straw man argument is completely destroyed but he's still flailing about, responding to everyone about how sick he is of seeing people with a certain skin tone (black) getting help and media coverage and the attention of the public.  So now it's apparent that this guy has a serious chip on his shoulder and it's not even worth trying to figure out his underlying issues.

The best thing is to not read his blogs. However, I will admit that reading everyone's replies was educational, interesting and even funny.  Especially the one about Bobo needing to get some new furniture for his dollhouse... definitely made me chuckle...

by ilovecenk99 on 02/28/2010 11:08:49 AM EST

The latest effort at coordinated trolling by KenTX and his side kick Bobo1 demonstrates why we boycott KenTX. It is summarized in the note to Hubble by a former TYT member

    "I have purposely avoided responding to or engaging ken or bobo in any of their various antics or guises. I don't find it to be at all constructive. Sadly, I've also been participating in the forums less and less because a tone of civility and intelligent exchange seems to be completely optional. It's one thing to say, "I disagree" and explain why, it's also junior high to throw in "asshat."  I don't see myself engaging in much of anything in the forums any longer, and I do think that is sad. Thank you for your efforts and I wish them well."

We will soon consider if we should add bobo1 to the boycott because of his purposeful use of race baiting to , in his words " irritate " liberals.

If you think we should boycott bobo 1 as well please respond to MrFred or Hubble in the affirmative.

I personally think bobo demonstrates the worst of conservative "values" and makes a useful display the depravity associated with the far right fringe.

The solution proposed by KenTX / Hugh Everett/bobo to complaints about Fox and "conservative" pundits is to simply not read the offensive material, turn the channel or close your ears.

Very true, we agree. Help us clean up the TYT Forum.

by MRFred on 03/02/2010 11:59:30 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I have no problem with boycotting a person on this forum. That's a matter of personal choice. But in my limited experience here, KenTX has not been the only person to initiate ad hominem attacks. I have received such attacks - from people I believe, from the nature of their posts, are liberals - simply because I am audacious enough to believe the federal government does not have the authority to require its citizens to buy health insurance. I engaged KenTX for the first time today. I will see how he responds. If he just attacks, I'll ignore him like many others because ad hominem attacks are boring. I'd like it if no one used them.

by Corpusless on 03/16/2010 12:46:03 PM EST

[ Parent ]
New members added

by MRFred on 03/05/2010 08:54:20 AM EST

New members added.

by MRFred on 03/09/2010 01:00:45 PM EST

Join us and ignore the insults

by MRFred on 03/10/2010 09:10:29 AM EST

The boycott subject claims his pupose here is to debate. We all know he is here to troll and harass.Thats why we boycott his posts.

Let's see if he puts his "fantasty" money where his mouth is.

I doubt it.

by MRFred on 03/16/2010 12:25:12 PM EST

 Display: