01/20/2010 09:09:42 AM EST

House should pass the Senate Bill

posted by do703

All or nearly all of the major differences between the House and Senate bills are financial in nature. 

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The House could pass the Senate bill with the promise from Senate Democrats to make the agreed upon changes later via reconciliation, e.g. only need 50 votes (Biden provides the tie breaker).  Is this not possible?  The House would have to trust their Senate colleagues to negotiate in good faith.

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anti-abortion amendment etc. (none / 0)
does anyone know whether there is a harsh anti-abortion measure installed in the senate bill as the stupak-amendment in the house version?


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by EauDeCologne on 01/20/2010 09:29:50 AM EST

almost (none / 0)
AFAIK it's not quite as harsh legally, but it would require women to pay for abortion coverage seperately from the rest of their health insurance, which would serve as a disincentive to get abortion coverage in the newly created "health insurance exchange".

by OldGerman on 01/20/2010 09:44:36 AM EST

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do703 (none / 0)
Are you that naive or just plain stupid?  Not judging just checking. 

First if Congress rams the bill through before Mr. Brown is sworn in we will lose even more of our thin footing than we have now.  That would be the death blow to Mr. Obama and the policies we elected him on.

Second you really expect Senators and Representatives to trust each other?  They don't trust their own mothers.  They are in Congress not on trust but greed and power.  This is true for both sides since the first Congress.

Can't blame the Republicans for this mess.  Harry and Nancy have bungled this up.  If they were CEO's of large publically traded companies they both would have been fired, sued for malfeasance and probably jailed after the SEC got through with them.

We came into power looking for sweeping change.  We've gotten a bucket load of SOS.  From Mr. Obama to all in Washington are to blame.  Democrats have shown in one very short year they are no different than Republicans when in power.

by northernlightsdemocrat on 01/20/2010 10:10:21 AM EST

Obama is his own ''death blow''. (none / 0)
Obama dealt the death blow to the policies that we elected him to implement.  I don't care what happens to him.  I care about the policies that I want.  He's not giving them to me, so I want him out.

Besides, this psuedo-reform bill makes things worse, not better.  It creates a health care finance system that is more broken than the one we've got.  We can't afford the system that we have now.  Our country spends more than any other industrialized country does on health care, yet we have worse outcomes.  This bill makes sure that it becomes even more expensive while still not providing universal, affordable coverage efficiently.  And with so many of its provisions possibly taking effect in the future -- if Republicans don't kill it when they get back in power -- then we might as well kill it now and hope that we have a chance to do it right later.

For now, however, Democrats have sealed their own fate by listening to the money rather than listening to the People.

by EveningStarNM on 01/20/2010 12:13:28 PM EST

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Childish flaming is not constructive to debate... (none / 0)
rather a sign of a weak mind.  I questioned whether this was a way of negotiating the outcome that was to be pre-Mass. election.  It is not what I would rather have happen.  Just a possibility.  Contribution to debate is welcome...childish name calling is worthless.  Grow up or get lost.

by do703 on 01/22/2010 09:10:08 AM EST

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The House could pass the Senate bill... (none / 0)

but that would be an unmittigated disaster.

Both chambers could also attempt to pass a one page bill simply stating that the enrolement age for Medicare is reduced to zero. They could leave the funding mechanisms for debate to a latter bill.

No need for provisions on pre-existing conditions or policy cancelations. Quick, simple, effective, and probably has the same chance of happening as of you finding one molecule of active ingredient in a solar system sized container of a homeopathic remedy.

by rolodex on 01/20/2010 11:07:45 AM EST

Perfect. (none / 0)

by EveningStarNM on 01/20/2010 12:14:01 PM EST

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If the house passes the Senate bill... (none / 0)
...then it locks us into a worse and more expensive system than we have now.  We can't afford the system that we have.  It's more expensive than any health care system in the world already, and the insurance and pharmaceutical companies have just raised their prices AGAIN.

The Senate bill must die.  The House bill must be improved, not weakened still further.  Otherwise, we should scrap it because we lose nothing in doing so.  It's main provisions don't take effect until after Republicans will have a chance to kill the whole thing anyway, and if Democrats start over and ram a better system down Republican's throats, then they'll have a chance to stay in power.

But as things are, Democrats are going to get killed in November precisely because they've failed to deliver a strong public health care finance system.

by EveningStarNM on 01/20/2010 12:30:27 PM EST

Kill the bill and blame it on the rethugs (none / 0)
Its time to cut our losses. Its time to hold those people who killed the spirit and the intent of the bill to be held accountable and the case be made to the american people why they need to vote for more liberal politicians.

We should not pass this bastardize BS, this insurance company wet dream bill, ......KILL IT. If there are some small good changes worth keeping in this bill then fine, weed them out and pass the bills separately, but lets not pretend this crap is real health reform or anything close to it anymore. I dont want to pretend any longer that we are fighting for something worth fighting for, that its worth fighting for just the tiny semblance of change in the right direction. One tiny step forward and two huge leaps back is NOT PROGRESS and is not getting any support from me. KILL THE BILL TODAY. Put those responsible for its death and its bastardization under the spot light like the blue dogs, Liberman, and all rethugs.

by Smokin on 01/20/2010 02:21:24 PM EST

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