My Perspective on the Australian KFC Ad (Without the Yelling)

By Jayar Jackson
Can also be seen at www.jayarjackson.com

A discussion Ana Kasparian and I had on the show Monday about a stereotypically driven KFC ad out of Australia that we deemed racist, has sparked a whirlwind of disdain toward us and The Young Turks.  In the ad, an Australian cricket fan is uncomfortably watching the match in the midst of the raucous West Indies fans as they play their music and dance.  The Aussie is annoyed, bothered, and seems to be unable to enjoy the match due to the craziness that surrounds him.  Once he holds up a KFC bucket of fried chicken, the dark skinned "Windies" calm down from their elation to focus on the deliciousness of KFC's chicken.  The Aussie smiles and says, "Too easy" while referencing his previous question of how to get out of an uncomfortable situation.  

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    Due to the fact that Ms. Kasparian and I determined that this is first a stereotypical commercial that perpetuates the long standing point of view that Black people will do anything for fried chicken, and eventually ruled that it was racist, we've received countless emails, video responses, Australian newspaper stories, and interviews with an Australian television show to defend our point.

    Many of the irate emails followed a similar pattern that began by accusing us of being ignorant to the game of cricket and the lifestyle of people outside of the U.S.  Others pointed out that it wasn't meant to be seen by America, as it was leaked onto the internet.  Excuses that they are not aware of the racial overtones of such an ad were also contributed as reasons for the scene.  Some complained that we were attempting to degrade Australians, and assumed that we were calling them a racist nation.  

    Here are a couple of examples: I am australian, I couldn't stomach your report on the KFC add calling it racism...who are you to stand and judge our country?? what the??  have a look at your USA and I would assume you have a ton of work to do.. I am going to say that I have never heard such an immature response in my life on earth.... if you can say that our country is racist over that add, I would be safe to say 1) You have never been here to see that we are more multicultural than where you live 2) I would say you don't even have a passport and have never travelled..
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Just thought I'd send you a quick message to let you know how uninformed you are regarding the KFC advertisement.
I'll just touch on some points, you can do the maths, you seem like you have some intelligence.

  • Firstly, The USA seems to be the only country in the world with a problem regarding the advertisement.
  • Cricket is not an American past time. It is a past time and national sport for the country/ies the ad has been aired in. If you have ever taken the time to watch cricket, you would realise that this is an accurate depiction of the crowd in some African countries.
  • This advertisement was not aired in the USA.
  • There is no sense of superiority between the people in the crowd, you seem to be making this up.
  • BLACK PEOPLE EATING CHICKEN IS PART OF AMERICA'S RACIST HISTORY. NOT AUSTRALIA'S!

    Without the anger, misguided assumptions, or insults there are things I have to clear up.  I called the KFC ad racist; I never accused the country of Australia of being a racist nation.  I did not say that cricket doesn't have crowds like this. I said that fried chicken isn't the thing that calms the raucous crowds of darker skinned fans. I don't care about the depiction of the West Indies fans as loud, dancing spectators. When the chicken changed their moods, it inherently said things.

     Anytime food calms things down, those things are animals. When we want to award our dogs for doing the right trick like sitting down, we give them a treat. It depicts dark skinned people as savages, which is the basis for my problem with the commercial. I understand that my problem stems from the way America historically treated Black Americans.  Some also used to (and still do) say specifically that fried chicken is the one food that Black people just can't resist, like an animal.

     We still have many, many racists in this country and when an established corporation or entity like KFC puts a message out there that tells them that they're ancient thought process is right, I have to point out that it's wrong. We can't give credence to the mindset of a group of people we've been working to change for so many years.  Sometimes these people could be hiring for a job and if they have their stereotypes confirmed by pop culture, (commercials) they will subconsciously turn down Black applicants simply b/c they think somewhere in their mind that this person is a savage, just like many used to think.  No one wants a savage working for them that they can only calm down with a bucket of fried chicken.

     I also understand that this entire struggle happened in America, so I actually don't mind when people from other countries don't take it the way I do. I don't mind that the target audience probably enjoyed it.  I just hope that when people disagree with my point of view, that they understand that it's my point of view and that I will respect theirs, especially since it's different in all parts of the world.

    Sure, sometimes the term "racist" gets thrown around without merit.  The reason I sometimes don't relax on the racism thing is because sometimes people die over the racism thing here in America.  I just don't want to allow it to regain the life it once had.  If the KFC ad ran here, with football fans in the place of cricket fans, I'd be just as upset by it; actually more upset.  We have crazy football fans that are known to get unruly. So I get the reference, it's just that the chicken is where it crossed the line for me.  

    So again, I don't think Australia is the land of racists; I simply believe that this KFC ad is damaging to the perception of Black people.  

--JJJ

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I understand your point about black people and chicken in the US, Jayar.  It was and is a terrible stereotype indicative of racism.  In Australia, however, we didn't have that stereotype and, for us, this would be seen as giving something to a rowdy group for them to enjoy and cut down the noise.  We Australians have had problems with attacks on Indian students and are a little raw about some of the foreign media coverage over it.

In Australia, political correctness is abhorred as much as racism and intolerance of others.  I think that that, coupled with the sensitivity over the student issue, has probably contributed to the virulent reactions you guys received. People are expected to get on with their lives here and not whine when the going gets tough...that's why many migrants (myself included) find it tough to settle, but are rewarded with good times when we succeed!

All the best to you guys for 2010!

by BDunnigan73 on 01/07/2010 03:47:04 AM EST

It may come as a BIG surprise to 90% of  Americans that the world does not end at Mexico and Canada. This ad has nothing to do with Americans so just sit down and stop shouting before you hurt yourself. Has anyone bothered to ask the West Indian Cricket fans what they thought of the ad? If there is any outrage in the West Indies then perhaps, yes, KFC can apologise. Until then maybe Americans should mind their own business ..... or why not BAN fried chicken all together!

by BOKB4K on 01/07/2010 04:05:41 AM EST

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"It depicts dark skinned people as savages, which is the basis for my problem with the commercial."

Are you serious, Jayar? Are you really that stupid and racist? What, people having fun at a sporting contest is behaving like savages? Would you have said that if they were white people celebrating? You really are scum. You're self-righteous enough to claim the moral high ground on racism by default of any commonsense or logic, and yet you claim that the West Indian cricketers in the ad are acting like savages. What a disgrace you are. Your continued defence of your inane, ignorant comments on this ad just underlines the arrogance that American people are so detested for all around the world. Noone is disputing whether or not you said Australians are racist, what we care about is the arrogance with which you impose your own uneducated and flawed views on other people. If I was a West Indian I would be deeply offended by your implications that the proud people of those countries are savages. Shame on you.

by jaztech99 on 01/17/2010 08:40:51 PM EST

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There are 2 different ads, the one that he references savages is the Korean ad (which contains a mock up of tribal people), not the Australian one.

by BarneyMD on 01/18/2010 02:05:50 AM EST

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I beg to differ. The only ad Jayar referenced in his entire post was the Australian one.

by yoimjamie on 01/18/2010 02:17:47 AM EST

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One flesh one bone
One true religion
One voice one hope
One real decision

Gimme one light
Gimme one hope
Just gimme
One man one man
One bar one night
One day hey hey
Just gimme gimme gimme gimme
Fried chicken

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 01/07/2010 04:24:38 AM EST

Look at the percentages now and history past. The plight of the Aboriginal people is well documented. Australia is Racist.  The vast majority of incarcerated individuals in Austrailia are people of color. Austrailia is Racist. That being said it is safe to say the USA is Racist.  But then again most people are racist in some way. It stems from ignorance and most human being are ignorant.  Black Hole Sun anyone ???

by stonemaster on 01/07/2010 04:41:21 AM EST

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Australia is not racist as Australia is not a race. To imply Australia is a race usually indicates only whites can be Australian and therefore eliminates all others as being Australian.

The plight of the Aboriginal people is quite similiar to this issue. We never took the time to undertsand their perspective. We were, and are, entho centric like the Americans with the caveat ours does not extend so far lol.. If an Indigenous Australian dies young but lived the way they wanted and were happy that should be a success. Yet we only measure success from a capitalist/western viewpoint. So the fact they died young being away from the medical system is a fail in our eyes. For them to be successful they must integrate into urban life to be able to be schooled and have access to hospital. If we force that on them they may live longer but have been culturally raped in the process. Sometimes we should say "be happy"

by JaneThePain on 01/07/2010 07:28:45 AM EST

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I can't even tell you how much I appreciated and loved the first bit of your post. I am so sick and tired of Australian meaning white Australians and no one else... ugh.

 Also I had a reaction to the ad that was more in tune with white Australia's racism. I just felt like we should just take the chicken out of it entirely. I mean the chicken is mostly what seems to upset America, and yes I get it, believe me I was born in the states and it is a history we all carry with us no matter our race.

To me though the problem boils down to this: a white man pacifying a group of black people to make them behave in a way that he sees fit and proper. He is clearly annoyed in the ad (he is also a knob but thats beside the point) and although it could be read to be for a plethora of reasons, the image that made me uncomfortable actually came from a place that a white man controlling a group of non-white people to do what he wanted. It felt... wrong. And in ways that Australia has been a part of in her history.

It is a worldwide history that is not just American, think of the British Empire, these are wounds which are still fresh for many people. 

I don't think any of this was the intention but I see things through my perspective and so when I first saw it I thought of it as an ad that perpetuates the ideas of white people "civilizing" black people. 

Through fried chicken or bombing them to bring them peace it just feels wrong.

by aussiejassie on 01/07/2010 11:26:18 AM EST

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At the end of the day I think its just an ad about chicken. Not really worth an international incident. I know that all of us who live in Oz are annoyed by America always setting the tone... except thats what they do! They are the world power! And hey, at least they export all that yummy chicken.

Ten two, people, ten two.

by aussiejassie on 01/07/2010 11:31:26 AM EST

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of an add for CHICKEN???

You can't take the chicken out of the add for chicken. So, I guess some people would want to have black people taken out of all chicken adds to avoid racist overtones?

Or, blacks can only be in chicken adds if they're not really enjoying the chicken?  The whole debate is so crazy.

Obviously the add hit a major nerve in America.. having to do with some old worn-out racist joke that never made sense in the first place....

by ilovecenk99 on 01/07/2010 11:23:50 PM EST

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 You do realize that there is no such thing as a racist country, just racist people. To say that a country is racist, is also racist because you are stereotyping an entire nation of people. This becomes even more ridicules due to the fact that all countries have problems with racism. 

by Dex on 01/09/2010 09:16:31 AM EST

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To be honest, the biggest issue I have with this whole saga is the lack of trust it engenders regarding your coverage. I have watched TYT for several years now and whilst I would never unconditionally accept your commentary, the incredible, no *shocking* lack of ANY kind of research into this topic has completely ruined the good work you have done thus far. Offhand and without even breaking a sweat I can disregard "the basis for your problem with the commercial" by simply asking "Did you take even a cursory examination of the campaign before commenting on the ad?". Hold in your mind the concept of not seeing race or colour for a moment, of a truly post-racial mindset - the campaign features ads where white people are talking while he is trying to watch the cricket and he gives them "Toasted Pocketfuls" so he can enjoy the game in peace. I ask you, are you seriously expecting me to think that the food-giver is treating the white people as "animals" as "savages"? The answer of course is no. Now, and I know this is hard - keep that post racial utopia in the fore front of your mind. Forget the tit for tat nature a statement like that might seem like when given from someone trying to rationalise bad behaviour ie "if they can do it why can't we, if Italians can like pasta" etc. Given that the ad in no way treats the white people like savages, why when another ad in the campaign, completely colour blindly affords another race the exact same treatment as the whites does it become racist? Now remember this is an ad trying to show how great and tasty KFC is in a country where no friend chicken eating stereotypes exist and might I add, featuring no african americans that might at all make it in any way relevent, and that you'll stop what you're doing and eat it.. it's not *trying* to say ok we've shown whites eating chicken so now it's ok to show blacks. It's coming from a truly post-racial place. I've jumped ahead just because that was the crux of the argument and I'm sure everything has been outlined before, but to recap:

All fans from all countries have cheer squads, the Aussies, the Brits etc. This is not a question of being more civilised, it is a question of reality. It is *reality* that West Indies supporters bang steel drums at the cricket. The English play trumpets, if anything they might even be the worst - their Barmy Army is renowned. It just so happened that the West Indies were touring, if the English were it would have been them completely and utterly interchangeably.

The situation is awkward because like a Giants fan completely surrounded by Cowboys fans as they score a touchdown you're in a sea of opposing fans and not entirely impressed your team just failed. Australians TRULY see only people and teams here. There wouldn't be many Australians that would see that and think of race. It's not a question of not knowing it's racist, it's a question of it not *being* racist, WI supporters or the Barmy Army no one would notice the difference, although a few people culturally aware enough might think "oh in America they'd view this incorrectly from their cultural lens".

Once again I need to stress, this isn't a case of a country not knowing what they did was racist, like they have to be taught that what they did was universally wrong, this is a case of a highly specific set of circumstances in America distorting their perception of a completely harmless situation. It's like Saudi Arabia asking Chevrolet to cancel all of their TV ads in America with women driving because they are immoral and aren't allowed to in Saudi Arabia. Please think about that for a second. Women driving isn't immoral no matter how much the Saudi cultural lens says it is. An Australian cricket ad giving chicken to West Indians isn't racist. Once again I repeat, it's not "not knowing" that it's a racist act, it's not racist. Although at times it seems like American culture is world culture it really and truly isn't. In a country where no black-people-like-fried-chi cken stereotype exists there is absolutely no obligation to follow an irrelevant country's social mores.

There might also be a cultural difference in that the major sports in America aren't really international sports which contributes to Americans seeing race where we see people or team supporters in the ad. Sure the Japanese are big on baseball and you see people playing basketball every four years at the olympics, but unlike baseball, the NFL and basketball, every other game in cricket and rugby are race on race games if you choose to look at it that way. This explains why in this particular context Australians are race blind (the BS utopian post-raciality I mentioned earlier) they see teams and people not black people and not white people like Americans might on first glance. It really is as interchangeable as a lone Cowboys fan in a sea of Giants fans and once again, in ads generated within our culture for our own consumption shouldn't we be allowed to celebrate this rare instance of lack of racism?

This ad in NO WAY damages the perception of black people in and of itself UNTIL someone looking to stir up trouble posts it out of context and to a people that aren't going to understand what they are looking at gets their nefarious way and creates drama where none exists. The most shocking thing to me was Ana calling the West Indians "African Americans" and to be brutally honest the very idea that somehow as Australians we thought African Americans behaved like jungle savages beating drums because we are a lesser culture and country when in fact there was a gaping chasm of ignorance you and Ana failed to even try and fill and people seem unable to want to accept, that in this circumstance and very specific situation, your culture doesn't have the god-given directive of all that is right and holy on the topic and that you might in fact be viewing it from a damaged rather than a different perspective - in short, not the correct one. There is no way the ad could run in America, not because it's racist but because you don't have the cultural set up for it in the first place. Do you have a long running sporting rivalry with another race on anywhere near the same cultural penetration? Do you have an incredibly boring 5 day game where the most interesting thing IS the cheer squads which are almost as famous as the players in the game? The ad would never be made in the US, not because it's racist but because you would just use Giants and Cowboys fans of roughly the same racial mixture in the first place, before you even got to the white/black/chicken issue. And yes of course it would be racist in America which hopefully people are getting close to understanding doesn't mean universally racist. This isn't murder being wrong or sexism being wrong, or racism being wrong everywhere, this is a specific quirky cultural by-product of one country's 200 years of slavery being completely irrelevant in every country that doesn't have that shared experience - ie all other countries in this context. If this was an ad actually featuring African Americans then sure as Cenk would say "have at it hoss" that context would change everything and the lack of a friend chicken eating stereotype here couldn't be explained away as cultural ignorance on our behalf, in that case we would have had to have known better. But this really doesn't concern you guys, seriously, it's Not For You. Stop snooping, stop being like a Saudi decrying the use of women driving in car ads in Western culture. if all the countries culturally involved - England, New Zealand, West indies etc say you've got it wrong, you've got it wrong. If every other country on the planet says you're wrong, please for a moment consider this once that you actually are. There are no weapons of mass destruction here, there are no mobile chemical weapons factories, just an unfortunate inability of Americans to understand what they are seeing through lack of immersion in particularly Commonwealth culture. A small price to pay surely for independence but a very large one as a supposed news organisation.

The fact is is WAS NOT aired in America and therefore renders basically all of the post moot. It isn't stopping black people from being hired because it wasn't shown in America. It isn't re-igniting cultural stereotyping because it wasn't shown in America. Hang on a minute - it wasn't aired in America but it's being shown in America.. by TYT! Why Jayar if those are your concerns are you showing an ad both you and your audience don't understand isnt racist? You can't give it oxygen and at the same time condemn it! It's like fighting AIDS by banning condoms! Just admit you were wrong and didn't understand it - it's not the end of the world to do so, it would really repair some of the damage to the show's credibility. If you can't see straight on this one how do I trust you guys on the next political issue?

PS. I agree the ad is stupid, but most advertising is, Red Bull doesn't really give you wings, Coke doesn't really make you a better snowboarder or whatever and although awesome, fried chicken isn't going to quieten a WI cheer squad any more than it would the rowdy drunk Aussies in their sections.

by bhutos2 on 01/07/2010 05:35:43 AM EST

This is a very serious issue. Difficult to articulate but I will try. It runs against human rights to a degree. On one hand you have the human rights of the African American but on the other hand you need to respect the human rights of others. In the US freedom of speech is paramount in ensuring the rights of the individual. Yet you are censoring the internet in effect. It will not always be understandable to Americans, will not always be pleasant that the rest of the world does not have a shared history or shared oddities yet they should try and respect their own values of tolerance of different cultures and different opinions.

This ad was produced by an American company for an Australian/West Indian Audience. The fact that Americans find offense should not be relevant as they are not the target audience. The American company is making money from Australia, has Australian staff and is not entitled to instill American values or stereotypes on other countries. However the ad is pulled. Would you like it if a Middle Eastern company operating in the US suddenly respected the rights of it's citizens and forced their American employees to wear a veil as it is offensive to their people that women have no head covering? Making money in another country should demand local norms prevail.

This is the secondary audience due to the utility of You Tube. This means that anything ever flimed can land on You Tube and be subject to American approval. This implies that all film is now subject to US media approval. If you call yourself progessive and do not see what is so horribly wrong with this then you are no progressive.

Could I draw your attention to a speech recently made by Julian Morrow, a local comedy group has also felt the wrath of secondary audience  ie Not the primary audience they targeted content to. So show to targeted audience, no complaint. Gets on you tube, thousands of complaints.  You can scroll down to relevant bits as a bit long.

http://www.abc.net.au/local /stories/2009/11/07/2735643 .htm


If you are progressive you really are on the wrong side of the fence in this debate. If we all have to please American cultural norms it is a lose of cultural identity and quirks that separate us and make us unique for our differences. If we all act only to appeal to the lowest common denominator then we may as well all be cardboard cut outs. 

Internet was supposed to mean more freedom but all large population tend toward totalitarism and  seems we are headed that way. Thank you. NOT.

by JaneThePain on 01/07/2010 06:57:13 AM EST

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I still don't get what is so offensive about being associated with fried chicken. I love fried chicken. Germans are associated with sausages, let's talk about offensive food.

Ok, it is a cliche that originated nearly hundred years ago. So? After how many years does a cliche become offensive?

Black people are also associated with blues music. The cliche is about as old.

If a white guy would have to wait for a train and behind him are some blues musicians playing a tune. He puts on the earplugs of his iPhone and listens to some techno music. Slogan: "iPhone: That's easy!" Would that be racist? When does it become racist?

And saying that using food to control people implies that these people are animals implies that you aven't seen many commercials in the last decades. Sweets being advetised as stress relief is nearly as old as commercials for sweets. Children in commercials are very often controlled by food. I have seen dozens of comercials were a woman lures a man with some sweets to do something. One recent example (I forgot the brand): She places an empty box of chocolate somewhere. The stupid guy thinks it's full and goes there. The woman goes to the now vacant space of the couch and eats the sweets. Is that sexist? Is the man treated like an animal? Does anybody think of complaining about it?

To me it seems like another example of the conservatives controlling the debate. We associate you with chicken. Oh, they associate us with chicken, I'm so offended. WTF? There is nothing bad about chicken.

People laughing when French are called cheese eating surrender monkeys and being offended when black people are shown eating chicken seems strange to me.

Somebody please tell me what is so bad about chicken. Even if it is implied as an insult I don't get it. Lets assume the extremly hypothatical case that somebody tries to insult me by mentioning my good looks in a totally unironious way. This person will definitly not reach his aim. Being insulted by something, just because it is meant as an insult seems childish to me.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 01/07/2010 07:26:23 AM EST

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There are two problems with the above post:
- it's waaaaay toooo long
- and it turns into a bit of a rant

but it well and truly sums up how I feel about this.

For the uninitiated, cricket is pre-dominantly played at the elite level by countries of the British Commonwealth;

England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe (but only against

some of the 10 countries at the moment due to issues connected to their government), and the West Indies (a

conglomeration of Caribbean nations). The rivalries and cultural differences between many of these countries are

quite remarkable, but pointless to explain to people from outside of this circle.

Crowds in each country are different and take some getting used to if you are visiting from another part of the

world. West Indian (Caribbean) crowds are generally welcoming, and they love their calypso drums, and they usually

are making noise (usually soulful music) all day. Indians (the ones next to Pakistan now) have always been renowned

for being the most knowledgeable and devoted to the game, but they too love to make noise too (whistling, cheering,

etc). Every crowd is parochial in one way or another, and every crowd has their faults. And remember, theres usally

very few people barracking for the visitors, except in an Australia-England game. So visitors to these grounds can

be pretty lonely.


This ad was one of a series of ads where some form of KFC product was offered to other parties while the central

character (Mick) was trying to make the best of watching the cricket. He offered a couple of Pocketfuls to two

people (they were white) talking in his living room while he was trying to watch the cricket. This offering was

snapped up and it kept them quiet. You've seen the West Indian ad, and in another, he offers a security guard food

to not throw him out of the ground for sneaking inside the boundary fence. The food is an ice-breaker in some

cases, a pacifier in others.

But I have to agree that while Jayar puts his points eloquently, they get back to American cultural standards

overriding those of everywhere else. If Jayar was Norwegian instead of American, this wouldn't have taken off as it

has, as Norwegian culture is not omnipresent throughout the world. Jayar definitely didn't do his research, and the sad thing is once the issue gets some airplay, less rational people believe exactly what they're being told and the collective indignation begins.


The real gripe that we have here in Australia is that because the complainants are getting traction in the US, that KFC respond, apologize, and take it off the air. Again, if we were talking Norwegians, this wouldn't happen. All about protecting the almighty dollar in the biggest market in the world. Public opinion can always have an impact, but it doesn't always make it right!


In other parts of the world we are bombarded with US culture through television, music, and other forms of media. If you live in the US, you rarely see television from other parts of the world, and less international movies than most. Little culture from outside of the US permeats into it. Even in the world of sports, you have your own professional and college sports that dominate, with little focus on US teams against teams from outside.


And yes................my response is too long as well. Sorry

by gilldo on 01/07/2010 08:31:19 AM EST

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Best Post Ever

by yoimjamie on 01/08/2010 03:53:12 AM EST

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...that you describe exists solely because you still aren't listening.

No one has said that Australia is a racist country.  All that has been said is that many people see racist imagery in the ad, but no one expects all people -- or even any Australians -- to see it, although you might want to consult some of your dark-skinned neighbors on the issue.

Instead of hearing only what you want to hear -- which wasn't what was said anyway -- try listening to what was said.

Many Americans see racist imagery in the ad.  They're entitled to their own opinions about the ad.  If you keep arguing that neither of those things should be true, as too many Australian commenters in this forum have done, then our relations will not improve.  Those two things are true.  All that any Australian has to do is to accept those facts and to ignore our internal American discussion about racism.

It has nothing to do with you.  Your ad was just a vehicle for us to talk about our own problem again.

by EveningStarNM on 01/08/2010 07:28:04 PM EST

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"All that has been said is that many people see racist imagery in the ad, but no one expects all people -- or even any Australians -- to see it, although you might want to consult some of your dark-skinned neighbors on the issue"

Why?  Aboriginal Australians and fried chicken have absolutely zero correlation in this country.

by cricketfan on 01/09/2010 01:27:40 AM EST

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There are two American racial stereotypes in that ad.  Your failure to identify the other one indicates that you are not qualified to comment on the issue, even though it most definitely does have a history -- even if it's dormant now -- in Australian culture.

Of course there is the third obvious image in that ad that many people have experienced.  It represents that slight -- if irrational and fleeting -- feeling of fear or discomfort that people might have if they find themselves to be the only member of their race in a crowd of people from another race.  But anyone with any intelligence and ability to empathize would soon recognize that feeling for what it is, and it would soon pass, never to be a problem again.

<sarcasm>Evidently, Australians are so superior to Americans that they never experience such feelings.  As a matter of fact, several Australians have claimed that they didn't even notice that there were people of two different skin colors in that advertisement.</sarcasm>

Of course, it's interesting to note that Australia didn't really abolish slavery until either 1969 or 1972.

by EveningStarNM on 01/09/2010 03:34:16 AM EST

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"There are two American racial stereotypes in that ad.  Your failure to identify the other one indicates that you are not qualified to comment on the issue, even though it most definitely does have a history -- even if it's dormant now -- in Australian culture."

There may well have been American racial stereotypes in that ad, you know what wasn't in that ad? Americans. What was in the ad was an Australian and a group of West Indians, neither of which has any racial issues towards each other.

It's funny that you bring up Australian slavery history, and how Australians claim they didn't notice the difference in skin colour of the people in the ad. It's true, but that's purely because in our culture we're not brought up with any animosity towards people based on skin colour, in general any racial conflicts and tension is a part of history classes and not current events. Our culture (and West Indian culture) today is different to the culture in the US. I'm not saying one is superior to the other, I'm just saying they are different.

At the top of your post you claim the previous poster has just proven their ignorance, well by trying to argue that there should be some sort of racial tension in Australia based on its history you have just proven yours.

 

by BarneyMD on 01/09/2010 07:34:54 AM EST

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Several Australians seem to think that they're somehow relevant to Americans' internal conversation about what they see in the ad.  Several Australians seem to think that their opinion that Americans shouldn't have an opinion about the ad should matter to Americans. And several Australians think that sticking their noses into a conversation that really doesn't concern them -- since it isn't about them -- is a good idea.

Several Australians have no idea what in the hell is really going on.  They got their panties in a bunch and just can't get them out of the cracks of their asses.

By the way, I never said that there should be any racial tension in Australia.  But since I never wanted to talk about race relations or racism in Australia, I won't start now.  I don't know anything about those issues in Australia, so I won't presume to comment about them beyond the brief observation that I made above.  I just wanted to see an Australian's reaction to the country's very recent history with slavery.  And while I must admit that I did not expect complete avoidance and denial and that I find your reaction to be very interesting, I really don't want to interject myself into Australian affairs in the matter.  I know far too little about Australian culture to comment.

And it would be nice if Australians stayed out of Americans' conversation amongst themselves about racism.  Just because we used your advertisement to revive our own long-standing and ongoing internal dialog about race doesn't mean that you know enough about us to have anything valuable to contribute to it.

by EveningStarNM on 01/09/2010 08:38:50 AM EST

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I think you completely misunderstand the common issue held in Australia with relation to this ad and the followup events from it.

Most Australians understand (or at least do now) why Americans have issue with this ad, and acknowledge that point of view. However the issue is that this ad contained no Americans of any type, and did contain an Australian a group of West Indians. Everything displayed in the ad is correct for the two different cultures being represented.

There are two problems here now, first off there are Ana's comments in the first video here, in which she incorrectly describes the West Indians as "rowdy" when in fact they are a good example of how West Indians behave at a cricket game (ie. they play drums, dance around, etc) to support their team. And that she also described them incorrectly as being African American, almost as if to say anyone of a black skin colour is African American. The second problem is the forced removal of the ad from Australian television screens, this is probably the general crux of the issue, as it was done due to a cultural issue that was not represented in the commercial.

I find it it interesting that you say Australians should stay out of discussions about racism in America, I believe that we have. The issue is that in this instance American racial culture has been forced upon Australia, that is what is being discussed.

And finally you brought up the topic of slavery in Australia and the history of white/black Australia, and now you say you didn't want to talk about it. If you didn't want to talk about it why bring it up?

by BarneyMD on 01/10/2010 02:03:52 AM EST

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"However the issue is that this ad contained no Americans of any type"

I don't understand why so many of you still fail to grasp that that is irrelevant.

Americans are talking amongst themselves about their own racist stereotypes.  It's only happenstance that an advertisement from Australia re-ignited the issue.

Once Australians understand that and get the hell out of our conversation, the better things will be.  We're not talking to you or about you.  Go away.  You're not helping.

by EveningStarNM on 01/10/2010 03:50:47 AM EST

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ok im only going to address one point you made becuase i do not have the time or energy to address the others...

"Once Australians understand that and get the hell out of our conversation, the better things will be.  We're not talking to you or about you.  Go away.  You're not helping. "

ummm..sorry but not everyone that subscribes to tyt is from the US, quite a number (as im sure everyone must realise by now are from australia)...so you are talking to us...

by hales8208 on 01/10/2010 03:57:17 AM EST

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 Americans are talking amongst themselves about their own racist stereotypes.  It's only happenstance that an advertisement from Australia re-ignited the issue.

Once Australians understand that and get the hell out of our conversation, the better things will be.  We're not talking to you or about you.  Go away.  You're not helping.

 How do you figure? These are the quotes from TYT.

"... has to do with a racist Australian KFC ad"

"Racist. No question about it."

"Pushing a stereotype. Absolutely"

"if the question about that... commercial is racist, same answer... Too easy. Absolutely."

To quote myself again... This is not presented as internal dialogue. It is not presented as a discrete perception. It is presented as objective fact. I don't know how you can justify the position that it was "talking to and about ourselves.". It was directly describing the ad in a "factual" way. And it was completely inaccurate.

 are you seriously resorting to "this is none of your business"? What a laughably pathetic attempt to disengage yourself from the quagmire of gaffes and minefield of irrational assertions you have found yourself mired in. You REALLY want to avoid admitting fault so much that you're willing to go down the road of saying "go away"? That discussion about an australian ad, made in australia, by australians, for an australian audience, and the assertions that the ad is racist and that the makers intentionally exhibited racist stereotypes... Somehow that is americans talking to and about themselves? WE are the ones intruding on a purely internal american issue that we never had any relevant business in? I didn't think you could be any more nonsensical, but you've outdone yourself here.

 Seriously man... Take a good look in the mirror. 

by yoimjamie on 01/10/2010 03:59:39 AM EST

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"Americans are talking amongst themselves about their own racist stereotypes.  It's only happenstance that an advertisement from Australia re-ignited the issue.

Once Australians understand that and get the hell out of our conversation, the better things will be.  We're not talking to you or about you.  Go away.  You're not helping."

And this here is the bit that I think you're failing to grasp. I understand the issues Americans have with the ad, and had there merely been complaints from the American side saying the ad is racist then a number of things would have happened. It would have made Australians in general more aware and created a better understanding of the whole African American/chicken issues. It would have meant that anyone from the American side who took a closer look at the ad and it's contents would have seen that there was no African American (or any American) represented in the ad, and it would have allowed them to see the different cultures presented and why Australians and West Indians didn't see the ad as offensive or racist. Basically it would have been a learning experience for everyone.

Instead what has happened is that people from the American side have complained that the ad is racist without fully investigating the facts, and those complaints have forced KFC (who by the way sponsors both the Australian and West Indies teams) to remove the ad from being broadcast. This is no longer something that can be learnt from, this is no longer something that people can benefit from. This is now a forcing of one culture upon another, that is the key issue.

You say Australians need to go away because the racial issues in American don't concern us, you're absolutely right they don't, but when American racial issues are forced upon Australia and the West Indies then that does concern us, and that forcing of one culture upon another is what is being discussed.

by BarneyMD on 01/10/2010 07:42:36 AM EST

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Hey, Jayer. I'm Australian myself, and I'd just like to offer my opinion on this matter...

The whole issue resolves around two elements of the ad, the dark-skinned people of the ad, and the 'stereotype' of blacks and chicken.

The main reason that the guy was the lone wolf among the other people was not in fact due to their skin colour, but the team they were supporting. The West Indies are currently playing cricket in Australia, and therefore there is obviously a lot of teasing with the different teams. In all likelyhood the KFC ad would have been exactly the same if instead there was a caucasian team playing here at the moment.

Second, the stereotype of blacks eating chicken is most likely a leading cause to yours (and others) assumption that this ad is racist. However, for one I, nor anyone I have spoken to, knows of this stereotype. This racial stereotype indeed seems to be restricted to the US. If this ad was indeed shown in the US, then I would agree with your opinion, however this ad was intended for an Australian audience, not for an American one (in fact, the publication of the ad was reproduced by an online blogger, not by the official company). I don't believe that this ad should be ridiculed merely because it exhibits racial connotations for another countries culture.

One thing I would like to apologise is on behalf on some of my fellow Aussies. While they could have phrased it a bit better (...well actually a lot), it was probably not your comments they were upset about, but the sudden rampage of mainly US-based bloggers that have declared all Australians 'racists'.

by chrisw on 01/07/2010 06:28:55 AM EST

You're not helping things at all with this post, in fact most Australians would see the "You're not racist, you just don't realise that you're being racist" as condescending.

There are cultures other than your own, and they have different standards of what is and isn't offensive. Far from being a cultural absolute, the stereotype of African-Americans liking fried chicken is a bizarre quirk in one country and one country alone. In Australia, fried chicken is a food, not an insult.

Okay, KFC sponsors both the West Indian cricket team and the series they just played in Australia, and the ad is a fair depiction of West Indian crowds (both in demographic makeup and the cricketing culture). The bizarre stereotype does not exist in either the West Indies or Australia, and KFC's product is, unsurprisingly, fried chicken.

From what I can gather, any ad KFC ran about the WI tour of Australia would be racist in America because of the link between black people and fried chicken. Should they start advertising hamburgers and hot dogs instead, despite the fact that they don't sell them? Base the advertising campaign around a country that isn't touring Australia at the moment? Or should they cut funding for the West Indies altogether because hypersensitive Americans would find it offensive?

Australians would have seen that ad and thought "Aussie fan stuck in the West Indian section of the stadium, making a peace offering". Now those who thought "White guy surrounded by rowdy black people, bribes them with the only food that the savages like" are saying we're being racist?

by Trogs on 01/07/2010 06:55:40 AM EST

The advert was appalling, but then all KFC adverts are...

I noticed that KFC US is apologising for the misinterpretation of the advert rather then the alleged racism.

Personally I just see a man handing out unhealthy deep fried chicken to the people around him to settle them down. If you see a white man handing out deep fried chicken to black people, I would say that says more about you and your prejudices.

by AIUI on 01/07/2010 07:01:52 AM EST

I'd just like to raise one point.

The West Indian cricket team were in Australia when the ad was running regularly. Many of their players are still here playing domestic cricket. It's very likely that at least one member of the team would have seen the ad. So why didn't they complain? Evidently they didn't find it offensive.

Let me say one last time - this ad was meant for AUSTRALIAN audiences, most of whom do not automatically associate black people with being obsessed with fried chicken. And almost every Aussie with half a brain knows that African Americans and West Indians are different groups of people and aren't the same just because they're black, which is what your basic point seems to be. To put it as simply as possible, most Aussies know that Kanye West probably can't play cricket and that Sir Viv Richards is a legendary cricketer, not a rapper with a thing for British titles.

One final point: what you and everyone else seem to be missing is that this particular ad is part of a series of ads featuring "Aussie Mick" and the ability of KFC to calm people down so he can watch the game in peace.
Here is another one of the ads: [url]http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=TCpWrANWFsY&fe ature=related[/url] which features Mick giving the chicken to his white flatmates and them shutting up.

 

by Godsmack626 on 01/07/2010 07:15:10 AM EST

Hi Jayar,


Totally respect your opinion that this ad would be considered racist if it featured African Americans and air ed in USA,  I just think you need to consider the context more carefully before calling it 'stereotypically driven' and 'damaging to the perception of black people', and to do this you may need to step outside of a USA-centric viewpoint for a moment.

Please consider the following - 

*The stereotype that all black people love fried chicken is practically unknown outside your country

*The ad is part of a series where the same guy dishes out KFC products to distract all kinds if people so he can watch the cricket

* The series is designed to coincide with the West Indies cricket tour of Australia (the 'black people' in the ad are not African American like you seemed to think earlier) 

* The noise the fans are making is a genuine representation of a popular feature of West Indies cricket, and the 2 countries have a warm history on the cricket field

* The ad was never designed to air in the USA

Your argument that the ad depicts black people as animals or savages because they calm down when offered food looks absurd once you consider these points.

The defensiveness of Australian bloggers is understandable to me because you have never clarified that your comments pertain only to a USA context, but rather seem to be trying to force that context onto others. Australian bloggers are angry because coming from a smaller country, they would never expect their cultural norms to be universal.

One last thing - i wouldnt worry about offensive comments, this is the internet and you rarely see a thread that doesnt have a bunch of idiots trying to offend everyone! I think the majority of Australian people would realise you do not think the whole country is racist.

cheers,
Andrew


by cmcc on 01/07/2010 07:36:49 AM EST

Would it be racist if a lone Yankees fan calmed a bunch of cheering Red Socks fans with bowls of clam chowder?

Lovely bit of ethnocentrism on the part of the Young Turks.  For claiming to be so open minded there was a huge amount of fail on seeing the ad from the perspective of rival cricket fans.

by Maggotpunk on 01/07/2010 07:48:29 AM EST

Another comment just for fun - KFC is one of the biggest advertisers in Australia and their ads are terribly unfunny (like this one), so it might be a good thing if this misinterpretation causes them to stop boring us all to death!

by cmcc on 01/07/2010 07:49:11 AM EST

I would like to give an explanation of the cricket season in Australia.  Every summer Australia plays host to 2 other nations in a series of 5 day test matches and one day internationals.  This summer, it happens to be West Indies and Pakistan that are touring Australia.  In other seasons it could be any two nations out of England, New Zealand, India, Sri Lanka, or South Africa.

If for example New Zealand or England had been here this season, and the same ad was created, but featured New Zealand or English fans instead of West Indians, would you still consider it offensive or racist? 

I have trouble understanding why an ad featuring West Indians is perpetuating and African American stereotype.  I am aware of American history and the racism that has occurred and still occurs in America.  

I would also like to know if you consider the move White Chicks to be racist or sexist?  It is, after all, perpetuating a blonde (anglo) female stereotype...

The ad was made by Australians, for Australians.  West Indians have come out and said that they are not offended, and do not see it as racist.  I find it offensive that some Americans feel the need to tell other countries what they should and shouldn't be doing.

by PennyG on 01/07/2010 08:05:47 AM EST

I forgot to mention that in the West Indies, KFC sponsors the domestic cricket competition.  KFC has a long, strong affiliation with West Indian cricket.

by PennyG on 01/07/2010 04:09:26 PM EST

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Jayar,

Just in case you haven't realised, this is an ad for cricket.

The racism is null and void in this advertisement. 

What this ad is supposed to represent is the whole cricket atmosphere. The West Indies 'fans' occasionally dance around in the stands... not all of them and not all the time... but occasionally...

The point of this ad is that the Aussie is stuck in a seat in amongst another team, NOT because he is sitting in amongst black people... (It could have been between the English cricket team, or in amongst the South African cricket team).

My point here is nothing to do with the underlying racial tones that you as Americans have tried to look for. Australians, and especially a major international brand such as KFC, to be even looked at as intentionally being racist on TV to a MULTICULTURAL society is ridiculous!

It is not a matter of being racist at all... it is a matter of being equal when a minority... "easy" to get along when everyone has something to enjoy and get along with each other... the fact it is fried chicken... so what, it could have been pizza hut or mcdonalds, but it is KFC that is supporter of the cricket.. NOT coffex coffee...

Maybe one needs to research before one has an opinion!

by aussiechick on 01/07/2010 08:11:05 AM EST

I have been doing some reading of comments related to this advertisement.  The theme out of America, is that Americans are ashamed of the past that they have created in the way that their ancestors have treated other cultures, namely the Africans in particular.  Every culture has at some time had conflict with another culture, however conflict is not necessarily racist.  What is racist, is telling another country, that because your own country treated Africans so poorly, and stereotyped them as Fried Chicken loving people, you assume that the rest of the world is racist if persons with a larger amount of melanin are assumed to like eating fried chicken.  I like eating Fried Chicken, and at times, I have a good tan.  Oops, I think I just included myself in the African American Nationality according to your reasoning.  I am probably whiter than you are though.  Maybe, the ad should have shown a guy handing a bucket of Fried Whale to a Japanese crowd.  What do you think about that?  Would you call that racist?  We are currently being attacked by the Japanese as they try to protect their right to harpoon and drown whales in Australian territorial waters for "scientific research".  I have been to Japan, and seen the results of their research being sold as a meal.  Hmmmm, racist? By the way, West Indians are not African Americans, and like Australians, we unfortunately enjoy this cancer creating American export called Fried Chicken.  This phenomenon is American, and the racism is American.  Most of the world still likes Australians, but unfortunately, the same cannot be said about racist America.

 

 

 

by Sven1967 on 01/07/2010 08:18:58 AM EST

I AM WEST INDIAN, I mostly grew up in America and I lived in Australia and travel back there often.  I will point out the facts for your misjudgment again.

1. You have never seen a cricket match
2. Never seen one with West Indians
3. Never been to Australia
4. Don't realize Americas racist history does NOT define the rest of the world
5. Fry chicken/food being a racist stereotype is uniquely American
6. Do not understand that the west Indies cricket team has the MOST illustrious history in dominating the game
7. By comparing US football fans to cricketing fans shows you have no idea
8. I am guessing you haven't been to the West Indies.
9. When you put it all together you are so wrong on this that you and Ana are the cause of the problem.

The ad is an accurate depiction of an Windies fans.  The rivalry is so intense and so the trash talking continues of course.  I have been in both situation where I was 1 of 4 black people in a section of a few thousand white people. It was so much fun as we taunted a few thousand white people and they tried buying us drinks.  But it was a blast. This was at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.

The reverse has happened in Sabina Park in Jamaica and the laughs and the friendships formed is why there is sooo much outrage.  As a black West Indian who grew up in America, lived in Australia I am LIVID, Mad, upset, and angry at the uninformed comments by Ana and Jayar.

I think I better go eat some fried chicken to calm me down.  I really will have to write to KFC to tell them there is nothing racist about the ads.

Calm down with fried chicken?  Are you serious Jayar?  that is like suggesting guys drinking beers have flat stomachs and get the girls as they do in the ads.

Ridiculous is all I can say or I will be too upset to write this.

The

by Mandownunder99 on 01/07/2010 09:57:46 AM EST

I created an account here so I could comment on this article and the associated videos. I was going to say how wrong the hosts were on two points.

1. The West Indians in the video weren't being unruly, rowdy, or whatever other terms the hosts used. They were being West Indian supporters at a game of cricket, and as an Australian I love to see that sort of thing. The supporters getting behind their team, beating the drums, making noise, it's a great thing to see. Clearly the hosts have never seen or been to a game of cricket before.

2. More importantly in the first video Ana mentioned the "African Americans" in the crowd, that to me is a racist statement since there were no African Americans in the crowd, there were West Indians. In my opinion the automatic stereotyping of someone to a specific culture based purely on skin colour alone is racist.

I think everything you've said Mandownunder99 has just added to my points. The problem here is nothing to do with racism by Australians or KFC. It's purely to do with the naive hosts of this show and their automatic association of black people with being African American and their sharing a common culture history. The problem is that people are watching the advert without comprehending the material it contains and making editorial judgments on it.

by BarneyMD on 01/07/2010 10:24:55 AM EST

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You don't have to defend yourself (poorly), I've never heard a third hour without ignorant comments. Admit you were wrong and move on.

by Youma on 01/07/2010 10:46:23 AM EST

I think the ad was racist for other reasons and I made a comment else where, but I did want to add some info based on what Jayar has said on TYT. "When food is used to pacify a black man, it depicts them as savages", I kinda bought into that idea for a few seconds until I started to remember all kinds of other ads where food was being used to pacify people.

A family in a car with a rowdy car pass by McDonalds, A busy family running around get together for a quiet evening with Dominos, A bunch of Rowdy kids will all of a sudden run to a table with hands folded if you yell "WHO WANTS SUNNY D", scenes of an ice cream truck have been used to break tension, scenes or a dinner bell are used to break tensions. Food is constantly being used to pacify people, I wonder if the commercial was for pizza instead of chicken, would Jayar and Annah still think its racist, and if not then would that prove the cultural divide the Aussies are desperately trying to make?

Secondly, DAMN the Aussies are a defensive bunch with an inferiority complex! Is that a generalization and unfair, sure! But I'll say it anyway! DAMN Aussies are seriously  defensive and have an inferiority complex. Want to get em pissed, remind them that their ancestors with thugs and criminals and exiled. Seriously mates, calm down and get the chips off your shoulder, the immediate defensive stance most of you all take is clouding your judgment.

by Smokin on 01/07/2010 10:53:13 AM EST

I thought the ad was racist, and I'm not from the US. It didn't make me think that Australians are inherently racist. However, the response that I've seen from many Australians on this issue has made me think that maybe they are, or as you say: A defensive bunch with an inferiority complex.

by Zajuts149 on 01/07/2010 11:53:39 AM EST

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You are joking right? This story has been across US media. not just here. Americans are spending hours searching You Tube for reasons to make unjustified attacks on other groups. This is not the first time this has happened. Comedy produced for an audience has not upset the original audience but once on You Tube religous nutcases get all frothy in the mouth. They do not blame You Tube who publish it, they blame the original publisher. So now we have hysterical rants from lunatic Americans over chicken, religion, comedy etc etc. In most countries material that goes to air is vetted for cultural sensitivity and edited if that country will mis-interpret the content. If You Tube publish content, or Young Turk, Huffington Post do likewise then they have failed to edit for their locality's particular sensitivities. So in short they are using this media to denigrate others. All material may be offensive to some. Many movies out of Hollywood need Title change or content editing to be appropiate for other audiences. This mis-use of You Tube is acting as an imperialistic censhorship tool by US media and it needs to stop. the hysterical over reaction is by Americans.

by JaneThePain on 01/07/2010 05:51:50 PM EST

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..for making my point.

by Zajuts149 on 01/07/2010 07:19:28 PM EST

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You have made the point that I couldn't get the words right for. 

by PennyG on 01/08/2010 03:31:07 AM EST

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We don't like being told by another country what we should and shouldn't do.  The ad was made for an Australian audience, but has been taken off air because a bunch of Americans stuck their nose into our business. 

Fix your own backyard before you start trying to fix others.

by PennyG on 01/07/2010 03:56:21 PM EST

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We have a right to our opinion, I don't give a shit where you are, I value the right to have an opinon and for others to be able to voice them, Im not about to let defensive, Aussies with an inferiority complex try to convinve me otherwise.

Funny how a 22 year old girl and a much older Jayar with an opinion could have so much power over Australia that they could make you guys take ads off the air and cry bloody murder! You ever thought that just maybe if you let a 22 year old girl dictate what should or shouldnt be on TV, that maybe you WANT to be told what to do?! Lets try it,.... Im an American so ....."STFU with your weak sauce BS". Now a real Aussie would realize they have a weak sauce argument and STFU.

by Smokin on 01/07/2010 04:54:28 PM EST

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Yes I agree, everyone has a right to an opinion. 

What I am objecting to is that the powers that be in KFC Australia are bowing down to the opinions of Americans, about an ad that has nothing to do with them.

I really don't care if you think the ad is racist or not.

by PennyG on 01/07/2010 05:09:49 PM EST

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Why get mad at TYT if KFC is the root of the problem?

BTW, silly to get mad at the decision to placate to their best customers, fat Americans eat way more chicken than Aussies do, KFC made the right business call.

by Smokin on 01/07/2010 05:15:13 PM EST

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Yep, Americans have every right to have arrogant, ignorant, stupid opinions. Good for you. For the record, Australians and most of the rest of the world think that Americans are idiots, so the "inferiority complex" deflection is weak. The reaction to fools like TYT and yourself is all about standing up to arrogance, ignorance and stupidity. Again, you want to occupy the intellectual equivalence of the dark ages then woohoo for you. But no one else is required to go along with you.

by jaztech99 on 01/17/2010 08:32:03 PM EST

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I wonder how many Americans, obviously not this one, know that before the American Revolution the British sent 50 000 CONVICTS TO THEIR AMERICAN COLONIES.

 

Plus you ignorant twat, the US currently has 1/4 of the world's prison inmates, in other words, CONVICTS.  What is it, 1 in 33 Americans are currently under arrest, in prison or on parole?  ONE IN THIRTY THREE.

 

And you have the nerve to act all smug about Australia's convict history.  You stupid ignorant moron. 

 


 

Thank you for once again proving to the world that Americans are a bunch of ignorant twats, not only of world history, but their own.

by The Land of Oz on 01/08/2010 03:05:28 AM EST

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Seriously, the inferiority complex of Aussies is really getting hilarious at this point! Thank goodness TYT made fun of australia and not a real country we would have to respect.

by Smokin on 01/08/2010 06:48:43 PM EST

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Many Australians do have an inferiority complex. Except when it comes to comparisons with Americans. And I'm sure most Australians wouldn't care if Americans have no respect for Australia because we're very aware that Americans are, for the most part, so full of themselves and so ignorant that they don't respect anyone different from themselves. But that's why Australians are almost universally liked around the world and why Americans are so universally disliked. So, we'll take that.

by jaztech99 on 01/17/2010 08:23:13 PM EST

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...so they have an American perspective.  I would expect an Australian show to have an Australian perspective.

If Jayar cannot have an opinion on the KFC commercial because it is Australian, then Australians cannot have an opinion on TYT because it is American.

by Brett72 on 01/07/2010 11:03:20 AM EST

But people tend to get sensitive when an American tries to impose their unique domestic cultural norms and stereotypes onto other countires. A defensive reaction to such US-centric behaviour is not restricted to Australians! It is highly unlikely that a commentator from any other country in the world would assume all others have the same cultural norms.

by cmcc on 01/07/2010 05:10:48 PM EST

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To celebrate American culture and the much appreciated new President a German company produced this:

"We noticed that American products and the American way of eating are trendy at the moment," Judith Witting, sales manager for Sprehe, told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "Americans are more relaxed. Not like us stiff Germans, like (Chancellor Angela) Merkel."

The idea, she claimed, was to get in on the Obama-mania which is continuing to grip Germany. The word "fingers" in the name refers to the fact that it is a finger food. "It's like hotdogs," Witting said. "No one would ever think they are actually from dogs."

Thanks again for vehemently exporting American stereotypes. Like we don't have enough of our own!

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 01/08/2010 04:42:07 AM EST

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I have just viewed on youtube the video in which Ana Kasparian and another gentleman (I did not hear his name) respond to online criticism of the original Young Turks program which deemed the Australian KFC ad to be racist. I think it raises several interesting points regarding the global nature of the internet. It is problematic that the host, in a discussion about very sensitive issues of race and culture would tell the Aussies "to throw another shrimp on the barbie". It is ironic that this phrase was coined for American tv - what Americans typically refer to as a shrimp Australians call a "prawn". The phrase, originally from an ad campaign, refers to a racial stereotype depicted/invented to sell Australia to the USA. It's use by the host betrays highly insensitive racial stereotyping given the context of the discussion. Needless to say it somewhat undermines his position. 

I realise that the images depicted in the KFC ad have the potential to offend if misunderstood. The broader context (the fact that this was part of a series of ads in which the lone fan tries to watch cricket and bribes various people around him to be quieter - friends, family, etc. with chicken) would assure anyone that the ad has been misunderstood by the Young Turks hosts. The context of mutual respect  between Australia and the West Indies, especially considering the years of enjoyment the brilliant West Indians have given the Australian public is also not understood. There is no history of systemic oppression between Australians and West Indians.

I think it fair to say that we could all be try to be more aware of unintended offense and apologise if it is given. Advertisers in this global environment now have to realise that there are many layers of context - in the way politicians have to choose their words carefully since they know a ten page article may be reduced to a three word grab. And the oppression of people of African background extends beyond America's tragic history to centuries of world wide suffering. But in the case of the KFC ad the Young Turks have been too quick to comment and judge. Australia may have its issues with race and culture and oppression. But not with the West Indies cricket team and fans.

If the Australian response has been extreme perhaps it is because the depiction of an innocent fun exchange has been made to bear the weight of another culture's problem. Perhaps it is because American foreign policy over the last ten years has disastrously misread "context" in its reading of the codes of other cultures and more caution and less condemnation would probably be advisable in attacking what is not understood. Before I became upset about the resonances contained in this kfc ad I would wonder how the relatives of the brave revolutionaries who sought to reform the Ottoman administration  in the last century felt about their epithet (Young turks) being appropriated by a bunch of young Americans throwing their ideas around without enough care.

   

by mattfromaustralia on 01/07/2010 11:49:05 AM EST

........ or, that could be some weak sauce deflection and Aussies DO have a chip on their shoulder. Crickey, are all Aussies so darn ornery?!

by Smokin on 01/07/2010 02:30:10 PM EST

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I don't understand the "weak sauce" reference - perhaps because I'm from Australia. If you mean that my last point is not relevant perhaps one way to read it would be as a slightly facetious example of reductio ad absurdum. Fair go, cobber - I'm not ornery. Strewth! You're making me feel like I'm fielding at silly point, not extra cover...

by mattfromaustralia on 01/08/2010 03:05:33 AM EST

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But the thing we can't forget is, that was never Ana and Jayar's intentions when they were discussing the ad. They simply provided an opinion on the ad from an American perspective; they said that they personally find it racist, then left it at that. There was American hounding about the ad, yes, but it wasn't TYT doing it.

In the end, Australia's a different culture from ours and KFC should have argued that the nation doesn't share the same stereotypes that America and Canada does. For that reason alone the ad should still be running unless the nation in which it aired has the same issues, but apparently it sure as hell doesn't. 

The line does gets blurry when you realize that KFC is an America-based company and the odds are high that the ad isn't exclusively made through Australian-born marketers (meaning that they have no damn idea about the American stereotype). They even tried to bar the ad itself from American soil which would obviously mean that somebody is aware. Like I said before though, this can get argued in their favour if they really wanted to keep the ad running.

Lastly, we're saying way too much about "throwing around ideas without care" when we seem to forget that it's a commercial about fried chicken. Since when does KFC have an exclusive right to care? This was never about Australia until Australians got involved, it's about a commercial that happens to be based in Australia and that can't be misconstrued. If this was filmed in South Korea instead, they would've said the same thing: their opinion.

by kirkus on 01/08/2010 08:50:25 PM EST

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They simply provided an opinion on the ad from an American perspective; they said that they personally find it racist, then left it at that. 

You can't seriously believe that. The statements made by TYT were:

"... has to do with a racist Australian KFC ad"

"Racist. No question about it."

"Pushing a stereotype. Absolutely"

"if the question about that... commercial is racist, same answer... Too easy. Absolutely."

 Those are not presented as opinions. In fact, they're presented as objective fact.

 The line does gets blurry when you realize that KFC is an America-based company and the odds are high that the ad isn't exclusively made through Australian-born marketers

 Oh? And from what source did you research these odds? It's an american OWNED company. It's run by australians, in australia, for an australian market, the same as pizza hut australia, mcdonalds australia, and the holden car company, which most americans haven't heard of despite it being the australian subsidiary of General Motors.

 

by yoimjamie on 01/08/2010 09:32:15 PM EST

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I'll play Devils advocate.

If you find the commercial damaging do you find Black comedians who do jokes about "fried chicken and watermelon" damaging?

Do you find the entire concept of "soul food" damaging to the perception of Black people?

Soul food is dominated with foods like collards, ribs, watermelon and of course FRIED CHICKEN, and there are several restaurants in the North who's claim to fame is they serve authentic "Soul Food". While I have always said Soul Food is nothing more than the Southern Cooking I grew up on, Blacks have claimed it as their own, yet anytime someone mentions the very food blacks claim as their own they are accused of racism. 

Your argument of "Anytime food calms things down those things are animals", I would have to take issue with.

Historically "Breaking Bread" with others is symbolic of making peace with them by sharing what you have. I was raised that breakin bread with someone means something because you don't eat with your enemies only your friends. Perhaps that is a lost attitude, but it was how my entire family was raised.

Is it racist to say Italians like pasta, Indians like curry, Irish eat a lot of potatoes, or any ethnic group enjoys their traditional food?  Or does racism only apply to blacks and chicken?

Would we be having this conversation if the commercial had been reversed? Would it be just as "racist" if it where a black man with a bucket of chicken calming down a group of rowdy whites? If not why not, doesn’t' it still feed the same stereotype of "Blacks" and chicken?

Can blacks being shown enjoying a piece of fried chicken ever be anything but racist?

I love you guys, but sometimes you take things way too seriously. As Fraud said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar", and sometimes a piece of chicken is just a piece of chicken.

Perception is everything, so I suppose if you perceive something as racist it's racist to you, but that doesn't mean it's racist to everyone, and this commercial had nothing to do with African Americans so how it played into African American stereotypes is a bit confusing. If it had been an American commercial perhaps we could have a different conversation.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/07/2010 03:36:23 PM EST

So I see alot of support for the add and I find myself puzzled.

If indeed cricket crowds are made up of mostly black people with a random white guy plopped in somewhere, then this representation is not racially motivated. But I agree with Jayar and draw the line at the chicken.

I have white skin but I am surrounded my west indians in the city I live in. I am not racist but i have also found myself in uncomfortable situations where I am the only white person. This feeling, more than likely, is felt by blacks who find themselves in a crowd full of whites. And any one of any race that finds themselves surrounded by no one of their own race, I would guarantee has felt this.

But, my reaction in these situations is not to try to "calm" the west indians by giving them food. It has to come from within me. The motivation to conquer this feeling and understand that we are all pink on the inside.

The add is racist because it allocates power to a white man. It gives him the ability to control someone else's behaviour. I would be as angry with the add if the crowd was all females who were calmed down by some Inquirer magazine.

The white man holds the ability to mold the others as he wishes. For this add not to be racist the white man should have gotten off his bum and began to dance. He could still have handed chicken out in the end.

Where and to whom power is deemed, is the crux of why Americans are angry with this commercial. Power relations are evident in every country, so I do not understand why  everyone does not see this add as a problem.

Also, do they really sell KFC at cricket games?

And I thought the Aussies ancestors had treated the natives rather poorly, so why are they all on their high horses about their country not being racist? Havent nearly all countries gone through either racial, ethnic, religious, or linguistic divisions?

RoeWeazy

by RoeWeazy on 01/07/2010 04:50:10 PM EST

...If you are American.

In the context of Australia-West Indies, it is way more simple. The "power" just resides with the guy who has the KFC. They are simply trying to say that their product is so tasty you can distract people with it and watch the cricket. There are other ads in the series where the same guy gives other people KFC - in-laws, flatmates, security guard etc.

You must remember that we are talking about an Australian ad and the "black people love fried chicken" stereotype is unknown in this country.

Noone is trying to argue that the ad would not be racist if viewed in an American context, but this does not mean it is universally racist.

by cmcc on 01/07/2010 05:21:25 PM EST

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Before 1901 Australia didn't exist.  There were instead a number of different British colonies.

 

I don't know why modern Australians are blamed for BRITISH IMPERIALISM.

by The Land of Oz on 01/08/2010 03:19:07 AM EST

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In summary as I see it:

Americans see racism because of their cultural perceptions and the Australians don't because of their cultural perception.

Irony though as Australians see Americans as been racist because Americans see a white man handing out fried chicken to black people to subdue them while Australians just see a man handing out KFC to the opposing cricket fans to settle them down.

Both Australia and America have appalling racism records (taking into account their past) and to some small degree racism still exists among the general populace of both countries.

KFC is taking a careful calculated legal and financial stance and is not apologising for the advert but for the misinterpretation of the advert. A stance which is being misinterpreted as an apology for the perceived racism.

In short... all three sides need to work on their understanding of each others worlds.

by AIUI on 01/07/2010 05:16:06 PM EST

Both Australia and America have appalling racism records (taking into account their past) and to some small degree racism still exists among the general populace of both countries.
Small degree my ass. Look at what is happening in the US today. Look at these posts from the Aussies. Look around the world. Ignorance and arrogance is alive and well in Oz just as in the US,Europe, Africa, Middle East, etc,etc,etc AND IT STEMS FROM INHERENT HUMAN IGNORANCE, Keep posting people you're making my point way better than i could.

by stonemaster on 01/07/2010 06:16:20 PM EST

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I am surrounded all day long by people from as many as 15 different nationalities and we get along just fine thank you very much and we live in a rural town/city of less then 100 thousand people.

No doubt this will vary from place to place. I would agree with you that racism does exist everywhere, but emphasizing the negative and not working on the positive will help inflame tempers and perpetuate the problem. Encourage everyone to accept people for who they are will go and long way to fixing the problem.

Oh and yelling like you do does not make you opinion any more correct, so please give it a miss.

by AIUI on 01/07/2010 07:06:44 PM EST

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Jayar...why do you have to refer to them as "dark skinned" Windies??? In Australia, they're are just the Windies...period!!! I don't think you Americans realise how racist you really are! The way you perceive the world is just so out of kilter with reality.

by Blozzy on 01/07/2010 06:17:44 PM EST

Dude, he's putting them into context because most people in America don't know who Windies are. If you put a white guy and a black guy in front of an American and ask him which one's the West Indie, s/he probably wouldn't know. Calm down.

by kirkus on 01/08/2010 09:02:52 PM EST

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It amazes me that this issue has caused so much heat in Australia and over the English-speaking blogosphere. I don't think TYT should be apologizing or anything. They did their job yesterday by rectifying or clarifying the facts. Apart from that, they just stated their opinion - controversial as it is in this case. Power to the Truth. And power to Ana and Jayar for speaking their mind. I'd like to add some ands, ifs and butts, though.

First of all, it may be seen as offensive to some to lump the West Indians in with African Americans, I suppose. Yes, the skin color and the "immigration patterns" (slavery) are similar but that is about it. 300+ years of differing history seperating the two groups, not to mention the different African backgrounds and the intermixture with indigenous people. You just can't assume the same racial (or other) sensitivities in people around the globe just because they somewhat look alike. There may be some feeling of relatedness or solidarity in regards to people who appear to be a similar ethnicity. But I think African Americans are first an foremost: American (when talking about ethinicity, nationality etc). Other black people are not American. I would go as far as to say that it in a way implies a racialist (or rather ethno-centristic) statement to simply label any black person you see as African American.

Secondly, I don't think that cricket's unique history within the Commonwealth has anything to do with anything. Almost every team sport incites its fans to trash-talk to the other fans, regarding geographical, cultural and national features that are often generalizations or outright prejudices. It is almost as big a part of the appeal of following the sport as the game itself. In that context generally a big amount of leeway is given and displaying an overly p.-c. attitude is kind of "pussy" (yes, it just has become an adjective) and frowned upon.

Thirdly, as others have pointed out, sharing food can be a very positive group activity. Also, portraying their products as the solution to all the worlds problems and presenting them as the ultimate high beyond all illegal drugs and orgasms is what advertisers do all the time. I find it offensive more often than not, that is why I don't watch commercials (or TV).

Jayar should ask himself if he felt the same way if one or more of the participants and items was changed (e.g. one black guy surrounded by whites or the white guy passing around apples etc. Or what about one MAN surrounded by chatting WOMEN and he passes around shoes (a variation of this theme can be seen in commercials every day at any given time) Maybe Jayars outright hatred towards poultry influenced his stance on the ad ;).

BUT: I can see Jayar's point, though, that - apart from American cultural implications -  that ad could be viewed as highly racist in the context of human history. It could be seen as an allusion to the white man's attitude towards (mostly coloured,) indigenous people, treating them as animals and children, conquering their territories and building their colonies, slaughtering them like cattle, robbing them of all their treasures, women, etc. In that case it has nothing to do with the chicken or African Americans for that matter but all with Native Americans and Australian Aborigines.

On a sidenote: can anyone please explain the stereotype with fried chicken and African Americans (or water melons for that matter)? Honestly! Does it have to be fried? It does not make obvious sense so it has to have some silly (or even not so silly) historic origin... I know it may sound idealistic or probably offensive to some: but can't you just get over it? Can't you just amend your constitution to afford everyone with the right to like chicken regardless of the color of their skin (or the color of the chickens' skin, i.e. fried or not...)? Someone said it in this thread: do you really think that every time a black person eats fried chicken there should be an outrage until the end of time and humanity? REALLY? Is this really how it is going to be? I think there are real racial issues that can't be ignored and for which there should be a fight until all of them are nul and gone. But THIS is not one of them.

On a different sidenote: I would like to eat some chicken now, not necessarily fried, though.

by eborujion on 01/07/2010 06:36:49 PM EST

 

Americans and Australians are both a by-product of the culture that they grew up in.

As a result, Australians have an inclusive rather than exclusive attitude towards other people (possibly culminating in Australia's multicultural society). This is evident in that Americans constantly refer to 'African Americans' rather than Americans and treat them differently, in Australia, we don't refer to 'Aboriginal Australians', we are simply all Australians. 

America is also a very classist society, very politically sensitive and assumes the need to take on the role of gatekeeper. Australians are much more laid back and feel that humour is not off limits to anyone. In our culture, if you insult a friend, it's considered a compliment and indicates the strength of your friendship. Americans (and people in general) should stop taking themselves so seriously.

Australians also do not have an inferiority complex, we just hate people who have a superiority complex.

As Nicole Beatty quoted 'We don't boo yanks because we think they are better than us. We boo yanks because they think that they are better than us.

I think that if Americans had a better cultural understanding of Australian culture and vice versa, we might understand how/why the ad is perceived as racist/not racist.

Personally, i don't think it's racist. The West Indies from what i've heard don't think it's racist but Americans do. A little more understanding by everyone would make society a lot better off.

 

by jtl979 on 01/07/2010 07:04:55 PM EST

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 I don't think TYT should be apologizing or anything. They did their job yesterday by rectifying or clarifying the facts.

 But they're still maintaining that KFC australia (which is run by australian people) are guilty of intentionally perpetuating racial stereotypes in that commercial, despite it being made by australians, in australia, for an australian audience. It seems the fact that it is an american owned company is reason enough to assume that they have some knowledge of american racial stereotypes. TYT continue to make baseless accusations and for this they should either back it up with something, or apologise.

 

by yoimjamie on 01/08/2010 09:38:20 PM EST

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After having read some more comments on the issue I was almost swayed to think that TYT should apologize. What keeps me from it, though, is that I rarely think of TYT as a source for hard facts, but a source of comment ON facts. In their first report on the KFC ad, there were some major blunders and dumb statements primarily by Ana. But I think they clarified the context of the ad and got their facts straight the next day. That was all I needed to come to the conclusion that I did not regard the ad as racist. I got a little annoyed when the TYT crew disagreed with my opinion but it is not a big deal.

Those racist stereotypic memes and prejudices are very deeply engrained in the American psyche and very hard if not impossible to get rid of, in the short-term. Like Pawlow's dogs they can't help salivating, either with a wink-wink, nod-nod old-school racist attitude or the liberal anti-racist outrage. There is a visceral, emotional reaction when confronted with those racial triggers. That is why those stereotypes still prevail and have power. I was very much perplexed by the racial imagery used by political opponents when Obama was elected.

I think the only valid point of disagreement and discussion is whether KFC (Australia or the American branch) was pushing those buttons on purpose. I, personally, don't think so, especially in the context of the other ads of the series. But again, I don't really think that TYT presents this notion as fact but it appears to be mere "speculation" ("they must've/should've known").

by eborujion on 01/10/2010 08:17:01 AM EST

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Another deeply engrained prejudice is that Americans are very imperialistic and want the whole world to live in a certain way.

That stupid comments from America about an Australian ad are considered of any importance, cements these prejudices.

KFC Australia had to pull an Australian ad, because Americans didn't like it. This gives the impression that Americans are the rulers of the world, and everybody else has to fight against it to keep the freedom to express their own culture the way they want.

This means that in this case TYT intruduced a new stereotype to thousands of people and cemented the stereotype that all Americans think everybody else should live in the way they expect it.

That's why TYT should apologise, because right now they are acting like black people on national TV explaining how much they like chicken.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 01/10/2010 08:31:25 AM EST

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Another deeply engrained prejudice is that Americans are very imperialistic and want the whole world to live in a certain way. I am not sure if that is really just a prejudice. Evidence suggests that this is really the case. You know, as in "create larger markets", "privatize utilities, so that foreign corporations can buy into the market" or the good old "Enjoy Coke & I'm loving the big yellow ass". But to be fair, the U.S. as a state is no longer the fountainhead of economic imperialism, but the corporations have managed to establish an international agency to influence governments world-wide: the WTO. The U.S. but continues the political side of that imperialistic endeavor out of inertia and inanity, thinking that they still lead the charge (and especially thinking the nation still profits from it) with an ever weakening grip on the world, their strategies failing and their means shrinking (that is why the insurgencies today don't stop: many people think they can outlast American hegemony because the U.S. ultimatley runs out of money). Oh, that turned out rantier than intended ;). This gives the impression that Americans are the rulers of the world, and everybody else has to fight against it to keep the freedom to express their own culture the way they want. Let them have the remainder of their 15 minutes before the Chinese will take over or the corporations replace the national states (or both, when China officially will declare itself a corporation). This means that in this case TYT intruduced a new stereotype to thousands of people and cemented the stereotype that all Americans think everybody else should live in the way they expect it. That's why TYT should apologise, because right now they are acting like black people on national TV explaining how much they like chicken. If TYT was the only outlet to make this ruckus: absolutely. But they are in tune with other American media on the issue. Maybe they should just apologize for that...

by eborujion on 01/11/2010 07:28:53 AM EST

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This should look different.

by eborujion on 01/11/2010 07:31:59 AM EST

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This means that in this case TYT intruduced a new stereotype to thousands of people and cemented the stereotype that all Americans think everybody else should live in the way they expect it. That's why TYT should apologise,

Well, yes. But correct me if i'm wrong, you don't think they should apologise for the other bit i mentioned before? That even AFTER learning that the stereotype doesn't exist here, TYT continued to assert that KFC australia for some reason knowingly allowed racist stereotypes to be depicted and then tried to prevent the ad from being shown in america because they knew it would have a bad reaction... Firstly it's absurd, secondly unfounded in fact or logic and thirdly is potentially very damaging.

by yoimjamie on 01/11/2010 07:54:00 AM EST

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I am not sure if this comment is adressed to opposition or me. I think oppo was saying that they should apologize for exactly the reasons you presented.

My stance is that they need not necessarily apologize because they did not vilify Australia or Australians as racist. They just stated that KFC as an American company should have known that American stereotype and speculated that they might have used it to get more international attention and to make this go viral (with the calculated risk to spread an ugly notion all over the world). If they did so, it might have even worked out better than planned for the Australian market because of the Australians' defensive reaction.

I think in this regard, TYT did not state this as fact but as speculation. At least that is how I understood it.

But, having said all that, I think, it would hurt noone if they apologized to the Australians, as little effect that might be having on the overall situation. I would be opposed, though, if they apologized to KFC.

by eborujion on 01/11/2010 10:31:04 AM EST

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They just stated that KFC as an American company should have known that American stereotype and speculated that they might have used it to get more international attention and to make this go viral (with the calculated risk to spread an ugly notion all over the world). If they did so, it might have even worked out better than planned for the Australian market because of the Australians' defensive reaction.

 Does that not sound like an absurd conspiracy theory to you?

 It's an American OWNED company. Not american run. Even the CEO of KFC Australia is not american. KFC Australia is run by australians and is run as an independent subsidiary. Why should they know about american racial stereotypes? What has their market got to do with them? How are they remotely relevant?

 It's just an absurd suggestion that TYT have made no attempt to justify, and it comes with a heavy burden of proof that TYT have made no effort to meet. 

 My stance is that they need not necessarily apologize because they did not vilify Australia or Australians as racist. 

 But they are implicating KFC australia. I'm not saying they should apologise to australians, i'm saying they should apologise to KFC. But perhaps also to everyone else for abusing a position of trust.

by yoimjamie on 01/11/2010 10:41:33 AM EST

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Also it wasn't presented as speculation, as far as i saw.

 TYT make the same statement about KFC being an american corporation, as if he expects american ownership to constitute american management.

 And then Ana makes the ridiculous misquotation that a KFC spokesman supposedly said:

 "What? This wasn't meant for americans, we did everything we can to make sure americans don't see it!"

 followed by

 "It was leaked on the internet... Why didn't you want americans to see it? Because you know it's offensive!"

 That is not speculation. That is direct accusation.

by yoimjamie on 01/11/2010 10:49:51 AM EST

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As a long-time viewer, I guess, I tend to be a bit more lenient on the crew of TYT, especially in the 3rd hour, when they basically report tongue in cheek most of the time. I don't know if you saw the whole show or if you just watched the youtube clips. Some things might have been lost in the cutting process.

But of course the accusation that KFC "did everything" to make sure Americans don't see it, is utterly ridiculous. KFC will survive it, though, and TYT is IMHO not the sole culprit in the whole affair.

by eborujion on 01/11/2010 01:34:29 PM EST

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 KFC will survive it, though, and TYT is IMHO not the sole culprit in the whole affair.

Not saying that they're the only culprit... Only that they are culpable. And that an apology is in order. And of course kfc will survive it... This isn't a death blow, but that doesn't mean it isn't worthy of a "mia culpa".

by yoimjamie on 01/11/2010 07:08:02 PM EST

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Does that not sound like an absurd conspiracy theory to you?

Yeah, well, sounds a little conspiratory ;). But I won't exclude the possibility that if you're in the business of selling fried chicken and your mother/sister corporation is American, you might know a little bit more about American racial stereotypes regarding your product than the average Australian. But I would assume innocence for the fact that there were no Americans depicted in the ad.

by eborujion on 01/11/2010 01:20:42 PM EST

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the possibility that if you're in the business of selling fried chicken and your mother/sister corporation is American, you might know a little bit more about American racial stereotypes regarding your product than the average Australian.

 It's a possibility, most everything is, but it's an absurd and unreasonable expectation on the part of TYT given the gaping chasms between our culture and racial history. American ownership is really neither here nor there. Why are they more likely to have heard about american stereotypes, even if those stereotypes do pertain to fried chicken? That doesn't make them more relevant to the company's market and audience.

by yoimjamie on 01/11/2010 07:12:02 PM EST

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This is probably nothing you haven't heard by now, and I doubt you'll even read these comments, although I could be sincerely and pleasantly surprised.

The main complaints leveled at the ad have been thus:

  • The white man surrounded by black men is an 'awkward situation'
  • The white 'civilized' man is somehow shown to be superior to the 'rowdy black folk' because he isn't singing dancing
  • He gave them food to 'pacify' them
  • The food was chicken
  • He said 'too easy' as if to show how simple the black man is
  • If any other ethnicity had been used or if a mixture had been used it would have made the ad more racially sensitive
  • According to Cenk, KFC knew the situation in America and are using this as part of a greater plot to spread American racial stereotypes into the world at large

From reading a LOT of comments, as I spent the majority of the past few days reading and arguing in this issue, I can understand both your perspective, and my perspective as an Aussie.

I would like to address the issues that have been brought up one at a time and also other issues that weren't directly related to the ad but have been brought up due to this incident. Although as I have stated, this is probably nothing you haven't heard before.

 

  •  The awkwardness was not due to the ethnicity of the group surrounding the white man, it was due to the color of his shirt. At any large sporting event, sitting with the opposite team will place you squarely into an awkward position.
  • This I think is completely misconstrued as not many, if any, Aussie would look at it like this. Most Aussies are very laissez-faire when it comes to any sort of class or status. Due to our past as convicts and criminals as people from other cultures seemingly enjoy reminding us, as well as people seeking asylum specifically from class differences, the Aussie culture has grown into one where if anything people who view themselves as better than others are pulled down very quickly by everyone else. If fact a lot of apparent disrespect to others from Aussies (not all clearly but a lot) can be put onto the fact that we view and treat everyone regardless of class or status as equals. Respect has to be earned on an individual and mutual basis rather than simply by title or birth.
  • He didn't give them food to calm them down. I've seen a lot of people saying this, even some Aussies themselves, but it simply isn't true. Apart from the actual eating of the chicken, they would have been just as rowdy afterward, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this. If anything, the Aussies on the other side of the stadium would have been more rowdy. It is simply the 'done thing' at an Aussie sporting event. No, he didn't give them chicken to calm them down. He gave them chicken to break the ice. One man in the midst of the wrong team is awkward, so he used to chicken as a means to become a part of the group. It is much easier to enjoy a game with mates than by yourself. He was merely being friendly.
  • This one is pretty self-explanatory. This stereotype exists purely in America. It originated there and it is perpetuated only there. Furthermore, this stereotype is based on the African American people, not the West Indies people. This is important to note, because regardless of appearance, all black men are not the same race, just as all white men are not. It would be more racist to lump them all together like that. I read one comment on YouTube that said "Wouldn't make more sense to solve the argument by America dropping their stereotype rather than Australia dropping their ad?" And I have to agree 100%. The stereotype itself is the thing considered racist here. It would make far more sense to just drop it than try to apply it to another culture's media and thereby perpetuate it with them also.
  • The phrase 'too easy' is widely used in Australia. He wasn't saying it to imply how simple it is to pacify the 'uncivilized black man' but rather how easy it is to diffuse an awkward situation with KFC which was the product being marketed. The same theme and message is used in other KFC ads of the same series.
  • The fact that if the situation was reversed with one black man being in the center of a group of rowdy white men not being decried as racist is very telling. If the same scenario is not considered racist for all ethnic groups equally than it is not racist, regardless of any perceived racism. One man said 'Whites do not have that stereotype, duh!' Well, neither do Australians or West Indians, who were the two groups involved in the ad. The fact that other ethnic groups weren't included is simply because at the point in time at which it was aired, it was aired specifically for the Au Vs. WI cricket match. As such, those two groups of people were used for the ad. It makes sense; and you know what they say. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. Furthermore, this was only one from a series of ads in which different ethnic groups were used, so its not like black people were 'singled out'.
  • I honestly don't really know how you came to this conclusion. It seems like a massive stretch, with grounds in conspiracy. I wouldn't have thought it of you Cenk. Firstly lets look at the facts. KFC Au is run by Australians and is marketed towards Australians. Americans aren't included in that demograph. As Australians don't think about American stereotypes in their day to day lives, it is much more plausible that this is as it was portrayed. An accident on behalf of KFC. The fact that KFC is a multinational company is the only real redeeming point in this argument. Yes, they probably should have known better. And yes, after all is said and done they did the right thing by removing the ad in the interest of public relations. However. If this negative publicity had not happened, KFC would have also been right in not pulling the ad.

 

On a smaller scale this is exactly like dealing with past alcoholics or vegetarians. They have changed their lifestyle to deal with their personal hang-ups which is completely fine. No issue. However, their lifestyle should not define everyone else. Just because they personally have a problem with meat or alcohol does not mean the world should stop eating meat or drinking alcohol. What is bad in America is not always bad in the rest of the world. Now, does that mean that we should drink alcohol or eat meat in front of said people? In respect, absolutely not! But you are completely free to do it away from them, and especially in the sanctity of your own home. It shouldn't even matter if they know that you drink alcohol or eat meat, because the eating of meat or the drinking of alcohol is not bad in and of itself, it is only the context of the past alcoholic or the vegetarian that make it so.

Thus, Ana's argument that the KFC Au tried to hide it from the Americans based on the fact that they knew it would be a sensitive issue is not applicable. Of course you want to hide something from someone who you know will not be able to handle it! Its called being respectful to their issues. But to allow that to affect Australia's culture as a whole is very wrong. It's exactly the same thing as religious groups trying to enforce their own ideals or views on everyone else.

Now, the point that the ad was called racist and not Australians. This is very weak. Simply running through the thousands of comments on YouTube alone should show this to be disregarded. It does not matter whether you called Australians or KFC racist. The message that a lot of people are taking from this whole incident is that Australia is a racist country. Regardless of your initial intent, this is the outcome. To remain innocent, the right thing to do is to admit your mistake and try to correct it. Not to simply remain defensive about it and concede nothing.

It may have not been so bad at another time, but recently Australia has been hit by quite a deluge of accusations of racism. The Blackface Jackson Jive, the Indian beatings, and K. Rudd and the Telstra CO being some of the main contenders.

Yes there is racism in Australia, none of us deny this. But our problems are ours. They are different to yours. This ad from our perspective is not racist in the slightest. It was made by Australians for Australians, it was never meant for the American audience.

Your perception is that it is racist, ours is not. Yes we can see that it is racist from your perspective, now see it from ours!

by damianGray on 01/07/2010 07:05:47 PM EST

Sorry for the long read and sorry for the difficult read. Those points were all bulleted nicely but it seems to have eaten my formatting.

by damianGray on 01/07/2010 07:21:51 PM EST

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i thought it was fantastic. hit the nail on the head. the TYT guys have got it wrong and should apologise.

by yoimjamie on 01/08/2010 03:50:32 AM EST

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Odds are, people in KFC's Australian marketing department put the ad together, though of course someone in American HQ probably approved it.

Just curious by the way, if they don't have that stereotype in Australia, how is it hurting anyone's perception of West Indians?

Does anyone remember the KFC ad from a few years ago where the husband is busy and the kids are fighting and loud, and then the mom comes home with a bucket of chicken and everyone sits down at the table and calms down? The family was white.

But you have a point. I wonder why Kentucky Fried CHICKEN used chicken in their ad... 'Tis a mystery, and will always remain so.

by tlrdevere on 01/07/2010 07:42:53 PM EST

Hi Jayar,


I wanted to tried to explain why so many Australians are angry.  Insecurity. 


As a Canadian, I can tell you that it is sometimes difficult to live in America's shadow.  Australia, like Canada has an inferiority complex when it comes to the States. On one hand we love your eternally entertaining and creative culture.  On the other hand, we are envious of it and consequently very bitter. 


Whenever an American criticizes us, we feel a need to protest about "those Americans" telling us how to do things like they always do - no matter how logical the statement may be.  


Perhaps because of the proximity, we Canadians have for the most just laid back and enjoyed being inundated with American culture.  We embrace it in exchange for cheap cross-border shopping and getting to see all the shows at the same time you do rather than a few weeks behind like everywhere else.   (Btw, when does the next season of Dexter start? That finale was CRAZY)


After I pay off my student loans, I'm saving for a condo in Florida.  


One thing about living next to America is that thankfully we picked up football rather than cricket and soccer.  That could have been disastrous.... heh...


Love you TYT,


Annie


by Pussgurka on 01/07/2010 07:56:58 PM EST

Completely and unbelievably wrong. It's the idea that we're some less enlightened culture not aware of the racism we're naively tolerating that is the offensive part of all of this - being completely innocent but still being condescended to that is aggravating, that on top of NO admission that just because yes, it would be racist in America doesn't actually make it universally racist. To try and show where it's coming from, the single most aggravating traffic incident I've ever had in my life was when I was waiting at a traffic light in a two lane highway with a car in front of me. There was a car next to me with a car in front of them. The car next to me beeped it's horn when the car in front of it was a tad late accelerating on the lights turning green. But somehow, the car in front of me though it was ME beeping him and proceeded to act absolutely crazy and try and almost crash into me - slowly to 20km on a 70km road and swerving left and right. For a solid 3 or 4 minutes this carried on and the thing I wanted to do was open the guys neck and yell  down it - YOU'VE GOT IT WRONG - I DID NOTHING! It's being completely innocent and having some people with a damaged perspective take it upon themselves to judge something and be COMPLETLY wrong. That and they're supposed to be journalists who even when provided with facts STILL refused to budge from their initial ignorant conclusions. Ana is still calling them rowdy and was in disbelief a WI cheer squad would be acting like that. It's that cultural arrogance, the inability to admit that yes, even though it's bad in one culture that doesn't mean it's universally bad and that sometimes the way you view something means you are viewing it incorrectly - objectively to the situation.. One guy in another thread had the goading temerity to say it was because we didn't understand America's culture of trying to eliminate racism! Do you understand how condescending that is - what that says? That we aren't doing our best to eliminate it? Do you not think we do our very best at all levels to crush racism out like the horrible scar that it is? If the ad was at all racist there would be a massive outcry here and it would be banned in an instant, we can't even show a woman hitting a man on the head with a spanner after he used the dishwashing machine to clean his tools.. It's only very recently police have been able to describe wanted criminals by even mentioning that they might be of "middle eastern descent" or whatever. We are an incredibly PC culture, we're just a little more used to not being the centre of the world (as we obviously aren't) so we don't project our cultural lens on other people as much. There is no way liberals in our media would do what TYT have done here (psst we're WAY more liberal than America), not because they're any better in any way, just more used to being a minority culture.

by bhutos2 on 01/07/2010 09:23:46 PM EST

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We don't have an inferiority complex regarding the US.

 

We hate it when a country, whose citizens rank among the lowest in the West in ALL areas of education, try to tell us what to do.

 

EVERYONE hates that.  It has nothing to do with an inferiority complex.

by The Land of Oz on 01/08/2010 03:30:54 AM EST

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Could you be any more arrogant and condescending?  Honestly?  The reason why Australians are upset by this is the fact that these American "journalists" (and I use that term very loosely) decided to shoot from the hip and call racist before finding out any facts about the matter.  All it would have taken was 5 minutes of research and none of this overreaction would have happened.  Apparently, 5 minutes is too much time to add some integrity here.

Australians watched the ad and saw an Aussie cricket fan amongst a bay of West Indies cricket fans.  Americans saw it and saw a white man silencing the savage black men with chicken.  Says it all really.  Yet KFC Australia is the racist one?  Nice conclusion there. 

If anyone has been to any sort of sporting event on a regular occasion, particularly if you are attending as an 'away' supporter, then they would understand why being seated in a bay full of opposition supporters is 'awkward'.  Has nothing to do with race or "shutting up those savage rowdy black men".  Has everything to do with being 1 out of 1000 people barracking for your team/country.

And for what its worth, the West Indians in the advert werent paid actors.  They are actually part of the West Indies touring cheer squad party.  Im sure theyve loved being told how to feel about this.

by cricketfan on 01/08/2010 04:46:40 AM EST

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"One thing about living next to America is that thankfully we picked up football rather than cricket and soccer.  That could have been disastrous.... heh..."

Cricket and soccer? You really put your research into that one didn't you. Cricket is Australia's national sport, soccer is probably the most played but that is highly based on availability. The most supported sports are Australian Rules Football, Rugby League and Rugby Union, all different codes of football, and oddly enough all freeflowing games that don't have the stop/start of American Football.

As for  you picking up football, well the USA national sport is Baseball, and Canadas original national sport is Lacrosse. Ice Hockey has only just been recognised as a national sport in Canada in the past 2 decades.

As for being envious of America, yes it is true, I am envious that I am forced to live in a country that has a national health care system, that has some form of gun control, and that watches a KFC commercial and sees a group of people at a game of cricket and not a white person surrounded by black people. I truly wish I could look at people and automatically segregate them based on their skin colour, but unfortunately I live in a country where we see people as people. (and yes that last paragraph was sarcastic, I am no way envious of America).

by BarneyMD on 01/08/2010 08:42:30 PM EST

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Anyone who looked at that piece of footage and saw a bunch of black people surrounding a white guy is racist. Personally, I saw a group of people. The fact that some of them are black didn't even enter my head until these racist fools An and Jayar mentioned it. If there's anyone perpetuating racism it's the people who keep injecting race into situations including anyone who isn't white.

by Glexn on 01/07/2010 08:03:19 PM EST

I think you're getting "racist" and "observant" mixed up. Are you saying that you literally cannot tell the difference between a white and black person?

I'm great college friends with a girl from Kenya. I noticed that she is black. Therefore, I am a racist.

by kirkus on 01/08/2010 09:08:54 PM EST

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Wow, I guess I'm really weird because I didn't see the commercial the way Ana and Jayar saw it OR the way the Australians saw it.

What I saw was that there was a white guy on some tropical location where there was a tribe of people who were planning to eat HIM... a.k.a. cannibals. Cannibalism is and was very common on a lot of the islands that surround Australia an in that hemisphere... For many pacific islanders it was customary to eat the flesh of any tribe that you defeated in war.  

Therefore, I saw the guy giving them chicken as an alternative to eating HIM!!!!!  I saw it as a take on that Chic-Fil-a commercial that has the cow holding the sign that says "Eat Mor Chiken!"

I figured that Australians were probably more used to the islanders and the fact they practiced cannibalism and that's why they didn't find the commercial racist.

Did anyone else see it like that???

by ilovecenk99 on 01/07/2010 11:15:28 PM EST

You seem to be refering to the Korean commercial. The story broke about a different, Australian, commercial. If you watch the entire clip of the story two different commercials are replayed.

by Format on 01/08/2010 03:07:15 PM EST

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You two call Australia a racist nation.
Look what happened to America in 9/11.
Now look at Australia Has a 9/11 or similar happened there,NO.
Have you noticed Australian don't go around telling America's they are racist nation,that is why they have never a 9/11. 
May you two should keep your opinions to yourselfs next time.
 

by pcnut5000 on 01/07/2010 11:16:45 PM EST

In Australia, 99% of the population are descendents of immigrants. We inherently welcome foreigners. It is what we are made of.

In Australia, we never had the lynch mob. We never forbid black people from catching the bus. We never developed a stereo type that "black people and fired chicken" [doesn't everybody like fried chicken?]

Our population has a very significant number of Arab, Asian and Indian people - and we are very happy for that. E.g. the second largest Greek city in the world (by population) is Melbourne, Aus. - Not a Greek City, it is in Australia! - We are a true multicultural country.

We do not have civil wars or unrest. In fact we have never instigated any wars.

In Australia, we recognise that different races behave differently, and we make fun of it - for the sake of humour. We like to have a laugh, and it is all of us together. Our humour is fundamentally different to the US.

In Australia, you must have a sense of humour, and a ability to laugh at yourself. It is mandatory, sorry. Sarcasm and other strange forms of entertainment is what we enjoy,

In Australia, we are inclusive. Foreigners feel welcome and are not asked to change who they are. They are free to be different, and yet be part of the same nation.

We do not ask anyone to be Australian. If they come to our country then they are welcome to bring their culture. It merely makes us richer. The Australian culture is not rigid or defined. The Australian culture is what the populous expresses.

Open Borders.

And on an unrelated topic: what is the most prosperous country of the G20?
Answer: Australia. While the 19 leading countries experienced recession in 2009, Australia continued its 19 years of economic expansions. We are quite happy thank you, and we don’t require your advice.  

by Myfavco on 01/08/2010 08:11:20 AM EST

It only works if you try to push that BS to ignorant people who don't understand the facts. Australia has a dark history involving Aboriginal people and are still feeling the effects of that history even today, so STFU.

If Australia is so morally superior than the rest of the world, explain the lost generation, explain why The Australian colonies had passed restrictive legislation as early as the 1860s, directed specifically at Chinese immigrants, explain why a survey of cultural diversity and racism in Australian sport, says Aboriginal and other ethnic groups are under-represented in Australian sport, and suggests they are turned off organized sport because they fear racial vilification, explain the Cronulla riots, explain how australia has laws against  race related hate crime if Australia does not have any racism?

by Smokin on 01/09/2010 07:09:26 AM EST

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A lot of good points have been raised by others.
I personally think that The Young Turks need to make a clear and unreserved apology for their conduct over this issue. Apart from the obvious error they made in their failure to properly research the KFC advertisement in the first place, the follow-up response was also deeply flawed, and that also needs to be addressed.

In the follow-up Cenk Uygur grouped all the “Australians” (to use his descriptor) in one camp, and The Young Turks in the other. This is an error. All of the people who responded are individuals acting independently, they are not all in league with each other. Therefore, you cannot summarise and group together all their responses together and say “Australians are saying…” and reply to whatever it is you characterised them as saying.

The brand name is KFC. It is no longer called “Kentucky Fried Chicken”. It is actually called “KFC” now. It is not an American corporation, it is a multinational. (There is a KFC on the street where I live, and I am not in America!) Even if it was an American corporation, it does not excuse your misreading of the ad, because you knew it was an Australian ad not broadcast in America.

Ana Kasparian claims KFC told “The Australian” newspaper that: “We did everything we can to ensure that Americans don’t see it”. This is not true. That is not what they said. They actually said that “The ad was reproduced online in the US without KFC's permission, where we are told a culturally based stereotype exists, leading to the incorrect assertion of racism”. That is not the same thing at all Ana. What they are saying is that because the ad was never intended for an American audience, they wouldn’t have focus tested it on an American audience, gone to the trouble of ensuring an American audience would understand it, and made sure there could be no cultural misunderstandings if Americans saw it. They do not have to do these things, because the ad wouldn’t screen there. That’s what their statement means. And, guess what, it is perfectly reasonable. Specific ads are made for specific markets. Normal fact of life and we all know that. Also Ana, they don’t, as you claim, “know” it is offensive, because, guess what, it isn’t offensive!

Ana says “I don’t care if they’re from Jamaica! I don’t care if they’re from the West Indies! I don’t care if they’re from African… AFRICA!” Explain why not. It is a pertinent distinction. If they are not from America, then obviously, American stereotypes of an American population group can in no way apply, because this isn't an American population group. It simply doesn’t make any sense. When you say there is a problem with “rowdy black people” and chicken, Ana, that is you, applying your stereotypical thinking to a totally innocent situation. Can you not see that? (Maybe you can, which would be why you felt so uncomfortable.)

Ana, the white man in the ad is hardly “civilised”. He is presented as a stereotypical knockabout Australian bloke, with a caricatured broad Australian accent. He is not in a suit and tie sipping tea in the members stand at the MCG, he wears the cricket team colours! That is not a media depiction of being civilised. If you had bothered to gain any understanding of Australian culture, you would have learned this. And, as Cenk says, there’s nothing unruly about dancing, playing music, and laughing. Ana, if it was white people dancing, playing music, and laughing, would that also appear “unruly” to you? This is a serious question I am putting to you, because it appears to me that you are again applying your own racist stereotypes to an innocent situation.

Jayar Jackson pipes in with “have a look on his face. Does it look like he is having fun?” Pointless comment there. We know the ad depicts him being in an awkward situation. It clearly states that. So what? (Anyway, the man smiles in exasperation.) I think you should keep your head down and mouth closed in future and stick to the console.

Later a comment was made that “some Australians are saying that it means that his team is losing” and this idea is rejected out of hand (with a snigger from Ana) because “where does it imply that?” Well, since the original commentators completely misread the entire advertisement, you are *not* in a position to start being picky about whether the ad presents clear and incontrovertible messages or whether they are implicitly suggested.

Cenk continues “both sides are getting out of hand”. My goodness. Who ever said there were opposing sides. “Both” sides? You, as a group of broadcasters, made a big error, failed to research your story, broadcast comments that in fact have hurt a lot of people and stirred up a major racist storm where none existed before. Then, your audience, rightly, responded to you, pointing out your errors. That does not make “sides”. You were in error. Your audience has since pointed out your mistakes and the damage you have caused. As broadcasters, this is something you just have to accept. Please do not tell me to “bring it down”. Your show has caused a lot of damage and offense, and I am hurt and offended at the conduct of all three presenters . Please do not blame the people you have offended and tell them to moderate their responses.

Cenk says “you have to see our perspective”. Do we? “Have to”? Well why didn’t you try and see it from our perspective? Does your perspective override ours? If you had bothered to try and see it from an Australian perspective, you wouldn’t be involved in this controversy now. If you had an understanding of any other culture apart from your own, or had researched the story beforehand, you could have approached the story from a different perspective. This clearly was not done. You are media broadcasters, citizens of the most powerful country on earth. Please don’t present yourselves as innocent and powerless victims and ask that we concern ourselves with your perspectives. You are people in positions of power and dominance already! If anyone should be considering anyone’s perspectives it is you, as broadcasters!

Yes, we can see that from the American perspective that it looks awfully uncomfortable. So, when you get uncomfortable, you research the background of the ad and try to understand the culture it refers to. You *do not* blindly blunder onto a world media forum and broadcast the pronouncement that “it is racist!” If you, as Americans with your bizarre racist views, get uncomfortable at that ad, that is *your* hang-up. You are welcome to have your hang-up, but just keep it to yourself.

By the way Cenk Uygur, (“gentleman”, [snigger]) do not call me “mate”. And do not refer to “Mr Australia” when you otherwise claim the racist accusations are not directed at “Australia”. And do not tell me to “throw a shrimp on the barbie” (which, though this is a minor thing, is a nationalist stereotype invented by an American for an American TV commercial that was never screened in Australia. Australians do not call them “shrimp” and we don’t commonly barbecue them.)

But I still think the most insulting part of this whole situation is that Ana, in the original story, refers to the group in the ad as “African Americans”. Again she is showing her own racial stereotyping at work. Ana sees black people, and racially profiles them as “African Americans”. Apparently, to Ana, all black people the world are “African Americans”. This is to me the most offensive part of this episode, and one that seems to have been neatly sidestepped.

by Format on 01/08/2010 01:42:03 PM EST

Format makes nothing but good points. The ad is not in any way racist. The ad in question was filmed, tested and produced for an Australian market during the International test series ( thats the cricket for those that STILL haven't done any research. ). The ad was played during the matches while Australia was losing. I beg people to please watch the cricket and see for yourselves the atmosphere. 

 The main reason that this ad would never have been played to an American audience is very clear, context. Clearly rather then spend any time looking outside of your own petty predjudice you have jumped on the horribly over pressed racism button. I have watched countless videos where you bash Rush, Glen beck and the countless other vile humans that spew their hate into your homes every night on context.

What makes you any better?

by Adagio on 01/08/2010 02:54:40 PM EST

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The best post ive seen on any site since this uproar started.   Dont expect a reply from TYT though, intergrity doesnt seem high on their agenda.

by cricketfan on 01/08/2010 05:31:08 PM EST

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Australia has had plenty of racism in their history.  The whole White Australia policy comes to mind.  It's nice you decided to act right nowadays but still... I seem to remember protests a few years ago in Australia with people holding "We grew here, you flew here" signs.  

 Multiculturalism is a Canadian concept (look it up).  I'm from Toronto the city in the world with the highest percentage of foreign born residents in the world behind Miami.  But I don't pretend we don't have a long history of racism in Canada and still have a lot of racists. 

It's nice to have a happy rosey picture of your country but I am guessing most people writing these things are white Australians and have no idea what it's like to be a minority.  

But all the random bragging about Australia with facts that have nothing to do with the issues proves my point.   Insecurity!

by Pussgurka on 01/08/2010 03:18:54 PM EST

I'm Canadian & I'd like to say WTF!!

Seriously, I can understand the Aussie POV. We pride ourselves on our multiculturalism too. And as a Canadian like the Aussies, I don't really "see" the black guys as black, I just see them as guys. And in that context, I don't find the ad racist. BUT from an American POV I have to say: is it racist? To quote Cenk, "Hell yes!"

I think TYT do have a point criticizing  this commercial because the company, KFC, is an American company and they're upset that one of their own companies is spreading racist ideas. I don't think that's unreasonable.

If they suggested that this commercial was deliberately created to be racist (I haven't seen all the TYT stuff on this), and they have no proof, and if they didn't clearly state that that was their opinion, then I guess you could criticize them over that. I think, however, that this is their opinion and they have a right to that, and to say it.

It's a commercial not a great work of art or something. I don't understand why everyone's so upset over it. They aren't calling Australia as a whole racist, just this commercial. This is a storm in a teacup. It's not worth having an international incident over.


by susanfrom on 01/08/2010 06:42:35 PM EST

There is no such "racist idea" that West Indian people like fried chicken. There is no such stereotype.

The Young Turks saw (to use their words) "black" people, and mistakenly decided that they are (to use their words) "African American". In other words, they were mistaken about which group was included in the ad.

I do suggest you fully watch the two TYT you tobe clips on this.

by Format on 01/08/2010 06:56:02 PM EST

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That doesn't make a difference up here where the opinion was voiced Format. Whether the supporters were West Indie or African is irrelevant because the stereotype is about black people as a whole, not just Africans. The Young Turks saw black people (which they are by the way, just like British people are white, don't be too shy to say it), and they related it to the ages-old racist ideology.

It's "black people like fried chicken", not "Africans specifically like fried chicken." Yes it's ignorant, but stereotypes aren't known for being intelligent depictions.

I'll gladly agree with you on one thing though, the term 'African-American' is dumb. Last I checked, I'm not a 'European-Canadian'.

by kirkus on 01/08/2010 09:20:37 PM EST

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A lot of people in Britain are not white. that is a really stupid thing to say. Britain probably has the largest population of indian and pakistani origin people residing outside those 2 countries, and plenty of Africans and people from the Caribbean islands too

by cmcc on 01/09/2010 08:34:59 AM EST

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Dear TYT. As an Australian living in the USA I really love watching your show, Cenk your commentary and insights are always good amd a nice change from the regular media here. HOWEVER... I was really dissapointed at this commentary by Jayar and Ana. I always trusted your show to do your research and present it to me with honesty. I think the show has failed in this case.

But its ok, just fix it. I have heard you on numerous occasions say how you admire how Rachel Maddow corrects her facts if they are wrong. And you are always going on about media integrity. Also, dont you always say how people are too quick to jump to conclusions about something being racist or not? I was expecting you to come back in and overule both Jayar and Ana. You need to fix this...There are thousands of hits on you tube for this vid and is the most discussed video you have. Please address it and give it the attention it deserves. Dont brush it off as over reaction. I bet you didnt realise how many Australian listners you have!

by hales8208 on 01/08/2010 10:43:57 PM EST

what do they think need to fix in you opinion? Should they not have an opinion you disagree with?

by Smokin on 01/09/2010 07:11:14 AM EST

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No they shouldnt have to change their opinion. No one should have to do that. But clearly they did make an error in not researching the context. And there was no attempt by cenk on the follow up vid to really take the offended australians point of view and to present that well, instead we just got mocked. And the fact that ana said that the rep from KFC said the add "was not meant for americans and they wernt meant to see it" that is a LIE..not true. And also she says "i dont care if they are from jamaica i dont care if they are from the west indies  i dont care if they are from africa" HELLO!!!! this is why people are angry and offended. It is clear that they misunderstod the context and they need to own that. And they need to make it clear that perhaps they reaise it now. Im hoping that they do realise it after reading comments and explanations by australians - otherwise a lot of my faith in TYT has diminished.

by hales8208 on 01/09/2010 09:15:56 PM EST

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Australians shouldn't feel offended, & they should be apologizing to TYT! TYT gave an opinion on a KFC ad, period, they may have given their opinion based on less than ideal amount of information and facts, but thats life and TYT does the best they can.

Australians are getting mocked because you people are NUTS, nobody said anything bad about Aussies, nobody said anything that Aussies were a bunch of racists, or that Aussies where anything, you replaced comments made about an ad and replaced the subject with your national pride, you guys are NUTS for doing that and should apoligize to TYT for it! You complain about the facts not being researched properly but ignore the fact that Australians were never talked in any disparaging way whatso ever.

"i dont care if they are from jamaica i dont care if they are from the west indies  i dont care if they are from africa"

Hello Mcfly!!! It only means she doesn't care what minority is being targeted, replaceing one minority group with another minority group does not make it any less racist is what she was getting at. Get it mcfly?

And the fact that ana said that the rep from KFC said the add "was not meant for americans and they wernt meant to see it" that is a LIE.

Here is the exact quote by the kfc rep "The ad was reproduced online in the U.S. without KFC's permission, where we are told a culturally-based stereotype exists, leading to the incorrect assertion of racism" , ..... from that it is easy to conclude that Ana was in fact, NOT lying nor was she incorrect.

So lets summarize, Australia was never the target or subject of any opinion being shared, yet you get offended and demand an apology?! Ana was accurate in her reporting and in the facts, and you want an apology?! Cenk went into the story again and went into detail about the other perspective, yet you demand an apology for not doing it well enough?! You country's journalist write story about how Americans are saying Australians are too racist to understand the ad is racist, and you demand TYT apologize for what you and your journalists are making up out of nothing?!

Fuck you! Until you apologize to TYT and the TYT nation, your progressive objective card is hereby REVOKED!

by Smokin on 01/10/2010 12:10:54 AM EST

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1. If doing no research at all (as in this case) is "doing the best they can" then i am dissapointed.

2. We realise they didnt point the finger at Australia being racist, however if you understood the context you would know that Australia takes great pride in welcoming spoting teams to our country and we love and get along with the west indian team and their supporters. So when TYT pointed out they thought it was racist when this  australian supporter handed out chicken to the west indian supporters and labeled it as racist, yes we took offense.

3. Maybe she should care which minority group it is. Maybe then she would understand whats going on. I realise she is seeing it from an american perspective and to her they are just black people and therefor the chicken thing MUST apply becuase they are black. So yeah i think it does matter what minority group you are talking about as this determines wheather it is racist or not. - get it?

4. "The ad was reproduced online in the U.S. without KFC's permission, where we are told a culturally-based stereotype exists, leading to the incorrect assertion of racism" - Ana got it wrong, she thinks they were trying to not show it to americans becuase KFC already knew it was racist. WRONG, it means you guys would all go ape shit because they know some of you wouldnt spend the time trying to understand what is realy going on in the ad and apply your basic black and white stereotypes to it. Read the quote, "leading to the incorrect assertion of racism" - the ad was not made to be racist and apparently some americans are too narrow minded to figure this out.

5. I dont have a problem with anyone having an opinion. I dont need or want an apology as this implies i think they should change their mind. All i am saying is they should have researched (something they say they take pride in) and i am dissapointed that this didnt happen with this story and it has now been labeled as a racist ad from australia.


by hales8208 on 01/10/2010 01:01:15 AM EST

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1. )You are an idiot if you expect some great level of journalism from TYT, they simply tke stories off the new and blogs and comment on them and discuss them, the KFC story was one of over dozens of stories covered just on that day. If that disappoints you then you never understood what tyt is about in the first place.

2.) You can be all welcoming and fussy about yourself as you want to be, doesn't change the fact that you are taking offense because you are imagining shit that was never said nor implied.

  1. You dont understand the fundamental point if that's your response, all i can do is shake my head at your willful ignorance. You can think it matters all you want, point is its not evidence for you to toss around to suggest that you have some right to be offended.

  2. Conjecture is allowed when making an opinion whether you like it or not, just like you are allowed to disagree with it. But you are WRONG for demanding some kind of apology for it, so fuck you for being anti free speech. You again add all kinds of assumptions of your own there that are not worth responding to.

  3. You apparently do have a problem with people sharing opinions and having different POVs, you've proven that with your stubborn myopic BS. All you are saying is you want to justify your whining and your shameful behavior of trying to shut people up when you don't like what they have to say. You obviously dont mind lying, because TYT has been on record for a long time now that they only TRY to research as best they can, but they don't have the resources to be able to search every nook and craney for details.

So again, fuck you. You are so damn insecure about being perceived as a racist that you have no issue with attacking people who exorcise their right to share an OPINION. If I were you I would worry less about an ad from Australia being labeled "Racist" and worry more about Australians being labeled "insecure whiny lil bitches".

by Smokin on 01/10/2010 03:18:25 AM EST

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you seem to be the angy one...maybe YOU are the one with a problem..
maybe you should read my comment before telling me i said things i never did

This is what i said:
 "I dont have a problem with anyone having an opinion. I dont need or want an apology as this implies i think they should change their mind"

All i was saying in my original post is that i was dissapointed at the lack of understanding and research and didnt like how they jump to conclusions.

All im doing is what Cenk encourages and promotes people/journalists to do is look at the facts and not take the story on face value, and i think tyt should have done the same here. Is that so bad?

I dont have a problem with tyt i think they do a great job on the whole, buti think its the right and duty of people to point out when and journalist may get things wrong, isnt that kinda what tyt does all the time?

im not against anyone expressing opinions or points of veiw as i clearly stated and i resent that you tell me i am when i have said nothing near that.

Apparently you are the one that is getting all sensative about me asking tyt to address the poor research done in this one particular story.

You need to calm down...



by hales8208 on 01/10/2010 03:31:12 AM EST

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Smokin, Hales has been very polite in all her comments and all you can do is talk her to her like that? Who are you? You talk to all women like that? Or do you only talk like that when you are in front of a computer tough guy?
I cant imagine anyone here would pay much attention to you after your dribble.

by bluey on 01/10/2010 03:35:20 AM EST

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Nah, that shit don't fly, when a bunch of Aussies come in and start demanding that TYT or anyone should apologize for giving their opinion, a justified opinion for that matter, of course it pisses me off. Trying to sugar coat what you are doing doesn't change the fact that its despicable and pathetic, no matter how vulgar or rude I get, the Aussies who banded together to try to shame people for a valid POV is still far more vulgar and rude.

I dont know if Hales is a guy or girl, and I don't give a shit truth be told, Hale is still someone who is trying to convince people that what TYT did was somehow flawed or wrong, and that's shameful, period. They commented on a story, that's all they did, and the Aussies come out of the wood work and turn it into something vulgar and ugly, I started out polite, now I lost patience and have no issue throwing some of that vulgarity back at you.

BTW, who's acting tough when they try to act froggy online, lol. Im starting to think all Aussies are like Russel Crowe, insecure bitches looking to scrap.

by Smokin on 01/10/2010 04:04:33 AM EST

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You are pathetic. See ya

by bluey on 01/10/2010 04:11:00 AM EST

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you sir are a waste of my time...good day to you! chillax a bit..its good for your health...xoxo

by hales8208 on 01/10/2010 04:22:12 AM EST

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Waste of time? I won't have that! He's high value. It's not exactly a challenge to dismantle such obvious absurdity... But he's definitely high value =)

by yoimjamie on 01/10/2010 04:31:03 AM EST

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That's three  in a row, three insecure Aussies only interested in coming to this site to bitch and moan. Insecure much?

by Smokin on 01/10/2010 04:34:51 AM EST

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Hey i'm defending you buddy! you're funny =)

by yoimjamie on 01/10/2010 05:18:55 AM EST

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"Chillax" your damn self

Considering you and blue only came to this site to whine about a non existent slight against Australia, its you two who need to chill the fuck out and not whine so much.

by Smokin on 01/10/2010 04:32:50 AM EST

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I did not just come to this site to moan and whine about this issue, i am a paying memeber who visits this site everyday...

by hales8208 on 01/10/2010 04:37:32 AM EST

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That 100% of your comments to any post on this site was to bitch and moan about your fake Aussie controversy. All in this thread.

by Smokin on 01/10/2010 04:44:43 AM EST

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i just so happened to be quite into this discussion as i am an australian living in the usa and have been suprised by my relatives telling me about seeing this on the news. i mean are you ok with me expressing my opinion?..is that allowed? or do you have a problem with that?

by hales8208 on 01/10/2010 04:47:54 AM EST

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Am I ok with your insecurities and the fact that you only care to bitch and moan about a made up controversy like a little bitch, have at it Hoss, but you wont get any respect from me for doing it.

by Smokin on 01/10/2010 04:53:34 AM EST

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It seems absurd that the fact I'm going to point out is relevant but since so many people have missed it and it seems to be a significant detail I guess I must point it out. The Australian in the ad does NOT offer fried chicken He asks:

"Need a chip when you're stuck in an awkward situation?"

 He then offers "chips" (that's "fries" as in hot fried potato chips ).

 The fans then eat  POTATO CHIPS. Then the ad shows a generic shot of KFC products including ...Chicken, fries (chips), drinks, etc.

 Discuss...

 

 

by mattfromaustralia on 01/09/2010 08:21:49 AM EST

On a 2nd look I'm not so sure I'm right but it is hard to hear . Maybe he says "tip" (as in piece of advice) and maybe that is chicken - but not being a regular kfc eater it's like no chicken I've seen before...

by mattfromaustralia on 01/09/2010 08:46:28 AM EST

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Instead on getting angry and insulting you, I'm going to explain why Australians have been offended by this. First of all the West indies are friends of ours, just like Papua New Guinea and Fiji. If you've ever seen a whole stadium full of Australians cheering on their athletes, you might understand why this has hurt us.

 You claim this ad is offensive and racist, yet you fail to see how you have been offensive and racist. Playing drums and dancing at a cricket game is a part of the West Indies culture and tradition, yet because of this, you have suggested they look like "savages" and "rowdy blacks", yet you don't see why this is offensive. You see these people having fun and enjoying their culture and to you they look like savages.  I am half white and half Aboriginal and I have seen racism on both sides, there is a problem with racism in this country (like all countries) but not in that ad. I saw the movie King Kong and there was a scene with native aboriginal people running around with spears and clubs attacking the more "sophisticated" and "civilized" white people. This scene shocked me to the point that I felt physically ill and although I will never watch that movie again, I didn't take it as a personal attack on me or my people. 

Now let me explain to you why this is so confusing to Australians. In this country there is a racist stereotype concerning Aboriginals and wine, so imagine an American ad with a white American giving an African-American a bottle of wine. If Australia got upset about this claiming it was playing into our negative stereotypes Americans would not understand the fuss. You would't understand why we're connecting our stereotypes to your ad, so you have to understand why Australians are confused.

 Think about this. When most of the world sees this ad, they see a group of people at a cricket ground. When Americans see this ad, you see one "white guy" in a group of "rowdy blacks". Why does America focus on the colour of a persons skin? The other day I was on a web sit and wrote a comment on forgivens. I used Tiger Woods as an example, saying that he did the wrong thing but people need to get over it and move on. Then an American replied acussing me of bringing up his race and I'm still confused as to how he made that connection.  By the way the term "Blacks" is offensive to me but I won't hold it against you because it's a cultural misunderstanding.

 Consider this. Americans put themselves into groups. White Americans, African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans and so on. Have you ever considered that you are all just Americans?. Are white people called White Americans or just Americans?

The reason I'm writing this is because I don't won't to see a divide between our two countries. We've fought wars together, died together, lived together and we've shared in the good times and the bad times together. I cried on 9/11/2001 (12/9/2001 here) and I know other Australians who cried as well. It shattered our soul to see America in pain. That is why I don't believe it's worth losing this friendship over a cultural misunderstanding.

To be honest, I don't care if you apologise to Australia but you may want to consider apologising to the west indies for suggesting they look like savages. I know that's not what you ment, again it was a misunderstanding.

I wish you peace. God bless. goodnight.

by Dex on 01/09/2010 10:49:56 AM EST

best comment i have seen, thank you, you are fantastic for putting into words what a lot of people couldnt. best wishes to you.

by hales8208 on 01/09/2010 11:35:28 PM EST

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Now let me explain to you why this is so confusing to Australians. In this country there is a racist stereotype concerning Aboriginals and wine, so imagine an American ad with a white American giving an African-American a bottle of wine. If Australia got upset about this claiming it was playing into our negative stereotypes Americans would not understand the fuss. You would't understand why we're connecting our stereotypes to your ad, so you have to understand why Australians are confused.

You would be free to make you objections, thats free speech and frankly I would understand where you were coming from, just like we would be free not to appreciate that stereotype or care about your objections to it. You care far too much about what we find offensive, grow some balls and just brush it off if you really dont find the KFC ad offensive, instead you demand an apology to you country for having an opinon?!

Seriously, you need to apologize to TYT for your insecurities. You could have simply listened to their opinion and appreciated it or not, instead you transformed the debate into whether your country is filled with a bunch of racists, shame on you. I dont see you as Australian or representing Australia, I still see that country as allies and friends, but I do see you as a moron in the bunch who need to get a clue.

by Smokin on 01/10/2010 12:44:09 AM EST

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No. Free speech is a right. But if you are incorrect you will be called on it. One is free to be wrong but if you cause damage you can be sued. I think it incontrovertible fact that The Young Turks were hasty, unaware of context and guilty of  many examples of racism in their own analysis and explanation. This commercial has been pulled in Australia, not because of its racist content but because flimsy arguments by American media commentators have weight because of American hegemonic power. If you use the accusation of racism you should be careful - like accusing someone of sexual abuse. The accusation itself causes damage regardless of whether it is true or not.

This is not insecurity. Those with power and influence have the responsibility to act with care. A parent, an employer, a journalist, a judge,  a politician.  Errors by American commentators (I hesitate to use the word journalist for commentators who display such lack of rigour) have led to a commercial being withdrawn from Australian television. I would love to see the response from American commentators if the influence of a misinformed Russian chat show was enough to influence what appeared on American television. The issue is not a difference of opinion. The Young Turks have through lack of research and respect absolutely misread the codes of a culture that they don't understand. This misunderstanding is forgivable, They should apologise for their remarks.

by mattfromaustralia on 01/10/2010 04:59:54 AM EST

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You are saying a 23 year old girl and Jayar who is however old should be more responsible with their opinions because Australia could be viewed incorrectly by others.

First off, nobody even mentioned anything about australia, they commented about a KFC ad, if you cant understand that then you have issues. When you take that fact and twist that to say that TYT is saying that Australia is racist, well then thats defamation on YOUR part. Projection son, you are guilty of what you are accusing TYT of.

Your journalist over in Australia are the ones who reacted poorly and without responsibility and you ate it up. It was Australian journalist who took understandable and fair opinions of Americans over an AD, and twisted it to say that because Australians don't share the same line of thinking, Americans must believe all Australians to be racists. That's the furthest thing from the truth and frankly its you and your journalist who should be apologizing Americans and TYT for being such assholes. They shouldn't have to apologize for having a VALID POV on the ad.

by Smokin on 01/10/2010 05:31:57 AM EST

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Firstly. I think it would be fair to say that the background to this issue concerns Harry Connick Jrs appearance on Hey Hey It's Saturday. I absolutely applaud his remarks and found the skit offensive and embarrassing. I'm not here to defend the Australian media either. I think it would also be  fair to say that TYT commentary begins with some knowing looks and "Australia?" , "Australia!". I would surmise that a reading of those remarks, given the Hey Hey furore is "more racism from Australia". I can give plenty of examples of racism from some Australian sources but I don't think this KFC ad is one of them. This is not just about KFC - it's about commentators from one culture misreading another cultures norms.

I don't think anyone half sensible is asserting that all Americans think Australians are racist or vice versa. I don't think a nation could be racist in any intelligible sense. There could be a racist policy, or remark, or image. Very difficult to speak for a whole population.

 I applaud the efforts of a show like TYT to identify racism and comment on issues of culture. It's just that here they missed the mark. They need to do more research if they are to be taken seriously as credible commentators.

 My personal context to all of this discussion was that I was linked to this site from an Australian newspaper after coming home from attending a remarkable cricket game between Pakistan and Australia. Test matches are epics played within thirty hours of play over 5 days and this was one of high drama and excitement with twists and turns all through the match. One of the great things about cricket is ,with some exceptions of course, the spirit of sportsmanship that exists between players , and also from the crowd. A great achievement by a player from a visiting country will often receive a round of applause from the opposing players and thunderous ovations from the home crowd. 

 I think cricket has actually played a great role in combatting racism in Australia. The famed 1960 -61  West Indies tour saw thrilling cricket played in great spirit by intelligent, reasonable players to thrilled audiences. This was in an era when indigineous Australians had no right to vote. I would say this tour helped Australia break some barriers regarding perceptions of race. Indigenous Australians received the vote in a 1967 referendum.  

 So to see an image of this relationship between the Australian and West Indian fans cast as racist is to me very bemusing. It reminds me of the scene in Curb your Enthusiasm where Larry and Cheryl have a pretend fight in the car - just clowning around; but some friends see it in the distance and presume a case of domestic violence . I guess this raises the issue of the appropriateness of pretend fighting in public - are Larry and Cheryl responsible for the wrong impressions gained because mature adults shouldn't do that kind of thing or is it just bad luck someone saw them. 

 Most interesting to me is the implication of TYT comments. They throw up many important issues of meaning, intention, the uncontrollable resonances which may exist in a text, the responsibility of the media in a changing online environment. In the light of this KFC will be more sensitive to race issues - not a bad thing - we probably all should. Hopefully TYT will think a bit harder about context in the future. I see it as a goal that we all should be continually trying to learn more about other cultures and their issues. I think in Australia we are bombarded by American culture - a sign of American economic dominance and also the quality of the work - from Miles Davis to Seinfeld. I would guess that generally speaking Americans would know much less about Australia's pastimes since Australian culture is not all over the American media Hopefully here is a chance to discover a bit about my favourite sport - cricket.

by mattfromaustralia on 01/10/2010 11:03:13 AM EST

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You think what TYT did was wrong and you deserve and apology or the Aussies deserve an apology for it because they did not consider enough of the context or understand enough of the context.

I think they did a fair amount of research on the subject, (which only fairly ended at simply finding the clip) and gave their Opinion on the ad based on their understandings and life experiences. For it they've been accused by people like you of attacking a nation and not being responsible enough, and for that reason I strongly believe it is YOU who owe TYT an apology.

Is it reasonable to expect that a small group like TYT can research every story at nausium, NO. Is it reasonable for the TYT to understand the cultural differences between the US and whoever is mentioned in the story? Hell no, they comment on issues all over the world from Hungry, Korea, Mexico, UK, Bulgaria, etc etc etc. For someone to expect them to be aware of all the cultural differences is beyond unreasonable. Is it reasonable to expect TYT to be correct every time, HELL Fin No! Even if TYT is wrong about their conclusions, who are you to demand an apology for making an innocent mistake over an ad when it was Aussies who took that to mean an insult on Aussies? Its Aussies self deprecating conduct and a self inflicted wound here, you guys called yourselves racists and implied all that BS to yourselves, so demand the apology from your fellow aussies.

by Smokin on 01/10/2010 12:46:41 PM EST

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"Is it reasonable to expect that a small group like TYT can research every story at nausium, NO. Is it reasonable for the TYT to understand the cultural differences between the US and whoever is mentioned in the story? Hell no, they comment on issues all over the world from Hungry, Korea, Mexico, UK, Bulgaria, etc etc etc. For someone to expect them to be aware of all the cultural differences is beyond unreasonable. Is it reasonable to expect TYT to be correct every time, HELL Fin No!"

This is a political commentary site that discusses issues on an international level, of course it should be expected for them to understand an issue before they comment on it. If they don't research properly the topics they are discussing then this site loses creditability.

"Even if TYT is wrong about their conclusions, who are you to demand an apology for making an innocent mistake over an ad when it was Aussies who took that to mean an insult on Aussies?"

Any other news site would make a correction, for example Ana should retract her statement calling the West Indians in the crowd African American. I am not asking for an apology, I am asking for a correction to information of key importance to the discussion that was provided by one of the commentators on this site as being factual when it was in fact incorrect.

by BarneyMD on 01/10/2010 07:47:15 PM EST

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As an Aussie who is interested in the media and who has watched TYT on youtube for a year, I think its more than reasonable to expect accuracy from a group such as this. TYT regularly attacks Fox for inaccuracy and distortions. No groupn should point the finger if they commit the crime themselves.

by Colonel78 on 01/10/2010 11:49:26 PM EST

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There was nothing in their reporting that was not accurate. They said the ad was from Aussie, they said the ad was for cricket, a day latter they went into more detail about the opposing views from Aussies and still came to the same conslusion which they have a right to. So apologize to TYT and the TYT nation for your insecurities.

The youtube clips are not the entire show BTW, you only see highlights and clips of a full 3 hour show, which means you missed alot of the conversation.

by Smokin on 01/11/2010 11:35:21 AM EST

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"There was nothing in their reporting that was not accurate."

So Ana saying the crowd contained African Americans was correct? Even though they were West Indian.

When a key point of the discussion (ie. the nationality of those involved) is incorrect and that is the basis for the accusations how can what has been said hold any creditability?

by BarneyMD on 01/11/2010 06:53:44 PM EST

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You really want to get upset at that? So fucking what if she said African America, so what if her POV was formed based on her american culture? So what if the Australian context wasn't in depth enough to form the fairest analysis on the KFC ad, So fucking what.

What does that mean to Aussies, it means you can get all offended and bitch and moan?! What does that all mean to Americans, .... well that Aussies are sensitive lil insecure bitches that don't know how to take a commentary from a 22 year old girl with a grain of salt.

by Smokin on 01/13/2010 03:30:48 PM EST

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Thanks for the rant, but I would strongly suggest you listen to Jayar's talk on this during the postgame show October 8th. And also read my reply comments to him in the postgame section further up the front page.

by BarneyMD on 01/13/2010 08:22:55 PM EST

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Lots of ignorance floating around these posts.

 

Firstly, I have to say that I am going to (as an American) take Australia's side on the main issue.  Not our culture, not our imagery, not our context, not meant for us as an audience.  Only someone who has lived in Australia for any length of time would be able to comment on whether this is a racist ad or not.

 

Secondly, about the comment about Australia's origins--it's just as ignorant to say that Americans as a whole don't have any concept of their similar origins just because of a few people who self-identify as ignorant by making comments.  The only people that you know for sure don't know are the relatively few people, percentage-wise as compared to the whole of the American population, who open their mouths and say so.  Some of us do, in fact,  have a grasp on history.

 

Thirdly, to the person who said something about 'fat' Americans, please do your obesity research before you make comments about fat Americans liking KFC.  I mean indepedently-funded scientific research, not research funded by the diet industry to make money off of people's insecurities.

 

 

by glamour on 01/12/2010 11:18:56 AM EST

Well, i'm australian, and the first reaction I had to this ad was "What? They seriously made this?", It does perpetuate racist stereotypes, the guys who made the ad might not realise it, but it does.

 Maybe the real lesson to take from this is that people who make ads for fast food companies are stupid, seriously,  like that old Maccas ad with the guy looking lewdly at a hamburger and saying "I'd hit it"

http://listverse.files.word press.com/2009/06/mcdonalds _id_hit_it_ad-jpg.jpeg

 Or the KFC recruiting ad i've seen a lot recently "U + KFC", See what anagrams you can make with that.

 Anyway, fellow aussies, you don't have to go on the attack like this, seriously, don't rage out like this until you've actually thought about what someone has said, you make the rest of us look ignorant!

by Stush on 11/17/2010 09:56:07 PM EST

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