02/06/2010 06:52:23 AM EST

The Complete Jon Stewart - Bill O'Reilly Interview.

posted by KenTX

All exchanges between liberals and conservatives in the TYT forum should sound like this  polite and friendly conversation between O'Reilly and Stewart.

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I had been intending to look for this.

by Stonefury on 02/06/2010 11:02:10 AM EST

I would recommend the unedited version (none / 0)
Faux did to my surprise, post the entire unedited interview on their website HERE.  It shows Stewart really did a much better job than in the unedited version.

Ken Tucker pretty much summed up my reaction to the entire interview.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 02/06/2010 09:26:30 PM EST

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You guys might be missing the point. (none / 1)
Who is the leader of liberalism in America?

Barack Obama
Michael Moore
Bill Clinton
Janeane Garafolo
Howard Dean
Dennis Kucinich
Bill Maher
Russ Feingold
Stephen Colbert
Hillary Clinton
John Kerry
David Axelrod
Mike Malloy

Pick your favorite liberal leader, and I’ll find the clip.

These people are appear on FoxNews every night. And with Fox's ratings growing so dramatically, their appearances will increase tenfold.

There are serious (and sometimes not so serious) discussions of important issues occurring on that network.

Its not like MSNBC, where Madcow, Olbermannn, Big Ed simply read teleprompters at the top of their lungs.

by KenTX on 02/06/2010 11:37:47 PM EST

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Good Point (none / 0)
Many conservatives ARE too cowardly or not sure enough in their beliefs to appear on Maddow.  Conservatives everywhere should be questioning those leaders and asking them why that is.

"The eyelid is a joke"

by richardshort2001 on 02/07/2010 05:43:40 PM EST

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I think I know the reason. (none / 0)
If conservatives want to be seen and heard, they shouldn't appear on Rachel Maddow. Nobody watches her show.

But I think it would be good for both the GOP and TYT if Republicans started doing interviews with Cenk.

by KenTX on 02/08/2010 02:10:58 AM EST

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Interesting interview (none / 0)

I only watched the full one rather than the clips so I can't comment on the difference in editing there. But it did seem like they made a point to go to a close-up of Stewart every time he looked down at the table. He looked sort of uncomfortable and submissive, and maybe that's just because he actually was and it's his own fault. But I wouldn't be surprised if they did the best they could to create and emphasize that impression.

It may have been a mistake to crack any jokes too, although it's probably reflexive for him. One would expect O'reilly's audience to be largely unresponsive, so most of the jokes seemed to fall flat even as I found myself laughing at many of them.

by Stonefury on 02/07/2010 12:59:36 PM EST

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I say (none / 0)

I agree with Dennis Miller. Jon Stewart is far more influential than another left wing commentator (yes, Mr.Uygur included). 

 I mean really, does anyone really enjoy Olbermans program? I kinda like it, but its such a drag. Its like a lecture from your college professor on politics. 

 I can actually watch Stewarts show throughly without getting that nagging urge to change the channel to Nancy Grace or CSPAN.

"In the end, it will not be a common enemy that unites humanity, but a common purpose."

by bballadante on 02/06/2010 11:56:28 AM EST

wait, (none / 0)

You get "that nagging urge to change the channel to Nancy Grace"? Masochistic much?

"The eyelid is a joke"

by richardshort2001 on 02/07/2010 05:45:52 PM EST

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umm actually (none / 0)
there is a 40+ minute video on fox's o'reilly link...

by RickRSDII on 02/06/2010 12:18:18 PM EST

Yes... (none / 0)
I think O'reilly is more misguided than malicious, the same cannot be said about a lot of other Republican TV pundits.

I'd also like to point out that you don't really contribute to.... let's say a "pleasant" debate atmosphere, Ken. So maybe if that's what you want you should examine yourself first.

by 0f course on 02/06/2010 12:46:55 PM EST

Pepsi Challenge (none / 0)
Go back and read my posts over the last six months. Count the number of times I was personally insulted, and then count the number of times I insulted others. You will find my behavior is defensive.

by KenTX on 02/06/2010 01:34:32 PM EST

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crickets... (none / 0)
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by chrisandyasemin on 02/06/2010 04:18:45 PM EST

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dammit... (none / 0)
i forgot to turn of the editor...

by chrisandyasemin on 02/06/2010 04:19:46 PM EST

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lol (none / 0)
Jiminy Cricket! Give me some time to reply before you post the videos, geez.

Well I'm hardly going to sift through 6 months of posts am I, but here's a few.....

"There's more intelligence in my bowel movements, than there is in your brain." -KenTX

"Liberals have very small brains" -KenTX

"...In sites like that, you can debate meaningful issues, such as which participant has the greatest desire to suck Barack Obama's dick." - KenTX

"Put down the KY and butt plug" - KenTX

"Obama is a kowtowing, bootlicking, cringing, cowering, grovelling, wormlike, apologizing, submissive bitch."-KenTX

No your right Ken, that is a pleasant atmosphere.

And I'm sorry but using the "they started argument" doesn't really work unless you're in kindergarten.

You're not here for debate you're here to convert, by your own admission.

I already know there are people on this site who dish it out worse than you, you don't need to tell me that. But part of having a friendly debate is also having an open mind to the other persons POV.

Here's my pepsi challenge to you, and I'm genuinely interested because I haven't seen any of your early years posts, have you ever conceded any ground on a political point in your 5 years participation?

by 0f course on 02/06/2010 09:54:56 PM EST

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Conceding ground on a political point? (none / 0)
If you're asking if I've ever criticized the GOP, then the answer is yes. I am totally pro-life, and I have no use for the Religious Right. I expressed outrage when the GOP excused David Vitter, but tried to force Larry Craig to resign. In short, I'm all about money. I'm a fiscal conservative and social liberal.

by KenTX on 02/06/2010 10:22:08 PM EST

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No (none / 0)
That's not what I meant, we are talking about debate here. Have you ever conceded any ground in a political debate on this forum?

Unless the things you are referring to are subjects on which your mind has changed directly due to debate on this forum, in which case I apologize.

by 0f course on 02/06/2010 10:53:20 PM EST

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Oh, now I understand your question. (none / 0)
You're asking if I have changed any of my political positions while participating at TYT.

The answer is yes. Believe it or not, Twba and I used to disagree loudly when he first arrived.

But then I recognized that he was correct on every position he was taking. (Except for a wide open border with Mexico.)

As a result, I found myself adopting his positions on Cato, Randian, libertarian philosophy. Now I'm embarrassed that I ever disagreed with him.

Now I invite you to join bobo, twba, kentx as a libertarian.

by KenTX on 02/07/2010 02:31:56 AM EST

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I see (none / 0)
I am pleasantly surprised that you actually changed your mind on anything, granted it wasn't in debate with a liberal but still, there is hope......

You have to understand that every post I have seen of yours since I have been here has had a sermon like quality to it. I don't mind debate, but I don't like being preached to.

I also question your libertarian principles. I get the impression that you weren't a big fan of Clinton but you will defend Bush to the hilt. This doesn't make sense to me.

Clinton cut spending and balanced the budget leaving office with a surplus. In contrast Bush left with a massive deficit and increased spending.

Surely if you were coming from the perspective of having no party affiliation Clinton would be the more fiscally conservative, and on top of that he was socially liberal.

Which leads me to believe you identify strongly with the Republican party. You even mention Bush eight times in your personal profile.

In theory I should find myself agreeing with a lot of what you say,

I am socially liberal and fairly undecided fiscally.

But unfortunately this doesn't seem to correlate in reality.

You seem to posses intelligence Ken, but I lose respect for you and bobo when I see you vehemently go after Obama for saying "corpse" or him bowing or mustard or his teleprompter etc.

by 0f course on 02/07/2010 04:54:34 PM EST

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Thanks for the constructive criticism. (none / 0)
“You have to understand that every post I have seen of yours since I have been here has had a sermon like quality to it. I don't mind debate, but I don't like being preached to.”
Yeah, I really need to work on that. I guess I envision myself talking to a group of 20-somethings, when that’s really not the case.

Most of the time, I’m just trying to get a laugh, so people will keep reading my posts.

“Clinton cut spending and balanced the budget leaving office with a surplus. In contrast Bush left with a massive deficit and increased spending.”
Clinton had the advantage of a Republican controlled Congress, and the “peace dividend”, as a result of the end of the massive spending from the Cold War.
Bush was fighting two wars, and dealing with a deep recession caused by the dot.com bubble and the Post 9/11 Recession.

“Surely if you were coming from the perspective of having no party affiliation Clinton would be the more fiscally conservative, and on top of that he was socially liberal.”
Please take a look at this graph and tell me if you can identify any fiscal conservatives.
 

“Which leads me to believe you identify strongly with the Republican party.”
I’m prepared to strongly identify with any party offering to cut all spending, 20% across the board. Whattayasay? Are you with me? Our problem is too much spending.

“You even mention Bush eight times in your personal profile.”
The profile was written in 2006, and hasn’t been updated.

“You seem to posses intelligence Ken, but I lose respect for you and bobo when I see you vehemently go after Obama for saying "corpse" or him bowing or mustard or his teleprompter etc.”
Thanks for the compliment, but I possess only average intelligence, and below average communication skills.
Evidently, you missed the Bush years in this forum. Every post talked about “nukular” or “shoe terror” or whatever silly criticism of the day. We’re just having fun here.

I just ignored the Bush criticisms back in the 2000s. But it amuses me that a few photos of Obama bowing deeply to foreign leaders gets such a reaction from liberals.

by KenTX on 02/08/2010 02:03:11 AM EST

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Well (none / 0)
Clinton introduced initiatives such as "pay as you go".

Bush chose to invade Iraq and Afghanistan at great cost to the American economy. Libertarians such as Ron Paul take a very strong stance against these sort of conflicts, and in general any foreign intervention.

You post a graph of Bush vs Obama, I was talking about Clinton. I can understand how you could make an argument for Bush being more fiscally conservative than Obama (although I would dispute it) I cannot however see a reasonable argument for Bush being more fiscally conservative than Clinton.

"I just ignored the Bush criticisms back in the 2000s"

For me that is not the right attitude, I don't want to blindly follow so I listen to criticism, because sometimes there might be some validity to it. I guess I just have difficulty knowing when you are attacking Obama on something that you genuinely care about or whether it's just for japes.

If you are just having some fun then that is fair enough, I will try to look at your posts in a more lighthearted manner in the future.

by 0f course on 02/08/2010 03:03:41 PM EST

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good for the goose and the gander (none / 0)
"I guess I just have difficulty knowing when you are attacking Obama on something that you genuinely care about or whether it's just for japes."

Here's the strange thing about it: Its possible that I like Obama better than 90% of the liberals in this forum. No kidding, I like the guy just fine. I think he's doing great in the war on Islamic fundamentalism, and terrible in his domestic agenda. But the good news is that he can't get anything done, so he's pulling Democrats down like cement shoes.

"If you are just having some fun then that is fair enough, I will try to look at your posts in a more lighthearted manner in the future."

Yeah, when liberals tease Sarah Palin about writing talking points on her hand, its the same as me teasing Obama about his teleprompter. When Democrats tease Bush about "nukular", it's the same as me teasing Obama about "corpseman".

There weren't any rules in this forum when Bush was president. Comments like this and this were commonplace. But now that Democrats control the government, suddenly liberals have completely lost their sense of humor. Nowdays, their delicate sensibilities are harmed by every slight criticism of Obama and Democrats.

There was no limit to the criticism of George Bush and Republicans back in the day, but try the same thing with Barack Obama, and you might find yourself boycotted in this forum.

by KenTX on 02/09/2010 12:30:02 AM EST

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Yes... (none / 0)
I see you conveniently missed all my points questioning your libertarian principles....never mind.

"their delicate sensibilities are harmed by every slight criticism of Obama"

The reason I get annoyed at your posts about Obama bowing and reading a teleprompter is because, from where I am standing, that sort of attack seems to be the crux of Republican criticism. I find it hard to grasp that, that is what you guys are choosing to complain about. There is a tonne of substantive stuff that you could complain about. I think Obama is disappointing, but not because he bows or has mustard. But it seems you are telling me now that, in fact, you do not actually care about these things, although I fear most Republicans do not share your sentiment.

Which leads me to the conclusion that if you are simply posting to rile liberals up, then not reacting, or boycotting, is not a petty thing to do but simply logical. You don't actually mean the things you post so why try to reason against them....

by 0f course on 02/09/2010 07:18:01 PM EST

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Please be fair. (none / 0)
“The reason I get annoyed at your posts about Obama bowing and reading a teleprompter.”
Maybe you should consider worrying about something a little more important than a couple of gag threads about Obama. I don’t recall you howling during the five years of all-out Bush Bashing in this forum. When liberals teased Bush about the small stuff, I just laughed along with them. Bush was comical, and that’s why I liked him. It’s the same reason I like Obama. They’re both clowns.

“There is a tonne of substantive stuff that you could complain about.”
You are exactly correct with this sentence. (And by the way, the word “tonne” gives you away as European or Canadian, which is cool.)
I spend a hell of a lot of time hammering Obama on his failed economic policy. The Democrat Party is at war with capitalism in the middle of a deep recession, and this will guarantee their destruction for at least a generation.

You guys still don’t understand recent Democrat losses in MA, NJ, VA. Barring some kind of miracle from heaven, you guys are gonna get crushed in 260 days.

After one year of control of the government by Democrats, America hates liberalism.

I’m just here to educate young liberals on the error of their ways, and help them make the logical transition to conservatism.

The only way you will start liking my posts is if I become a socialist liberal. That will never happen my friend. Sorry.

by KenTX on 02/10/2010 12:19:51 AM EST

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So... (none / 0)
I gave away that I was "European" or "Canadian" in my first ever blog on this site, I'm not trying to keep it a secret Ken.

Secondly as I already said I wasn't here for the Bush years. And you're right I shouldn't have and will not worry anymore about threads you post about Obama.

I'm just here to educate young liberals on the error of their ways, and help them make the logical transition to conservatism.

How's that working out for ya? I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, liberal or conservative but your posts make me want to defend Democrats. You're pretty much having the opposite effect of your intentions. But you're having fun doing it, so have at it hoss.

by 0f course on 02/10/2010 09:31:59 AM EST

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"How's that working out for ya?" (none / 0)
You might be surprised how well its working. I've learned that many 20-something liberals have never been exposed to conservative point of view, unless they casually tuned into FoxNews for a few minutes.

Young males in their 20s generally want to get a job, and create a path to success.

They need to understand that government will never take care of them. They need to create their own opportunities. Its an education process.

By the way, I'm sorry I assumed you live in Europe or Canada. You could live in New Zealand for all I know.

by KenTX on 02/11/2010 12:48:53 AM EST

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How this forum made me more "liberal". (none / 0)
Believe it or not, this forum has had a big impact on my views on civil rights for gay people.

My epiphany came in August of 2007, when the GOP was hypocritically trying to kick Larry Craig out of the Senate, and even liberals in the TYT forum were being terribly anti-gay in attacking poor old Larry.

It didn’t become a gay activist, but I did become more supportive of civil rights for gay people.

I changed my opinion on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”, when Tim or Fred explained that there are already thousands of gays serving in the Navy, and its not a problem.

I even started trying to be nicer to CD.

by KenTX on 02/07/2010 06:51:08 AM EST

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gays in the military supported by fox (none / 0)

by hazmat on 02/08/2010 02:24:17 PM EST

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I'm pro-CHOICE! (none / 0)
Not pro-LIFE!

by KenTX on 02/07/2010 02:14:41 AM EST

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Please dont confuse Ken and I... (none / 0)
Ken is always courteous, polite and even nice to Liberals... I on the other hand am not nice all the time, but I am going to make a concerted effort to do so from this point on, because as Billo and Stewart showed us, civil debate is always the most productive... :)

by bobo1 on 02/06/2010 02:28:04 PM EST

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Nice like this? bobotaitz? (none / 0)
Ken Tx the troll is sooooooo nice   check out his quotes

--This forum is full of stupid participants, but you are well beyond stupid.

---You're a bunch of weakling, unaccomplished cowards who hide among the masses waiting to receive the bounty of the labor and accomplishments of far more worthy men.

----Liberals are rapidly becoming extinct as a species. When you add up the effects of widespread abortion, long prison sentences, gay urban lifestyle, and elimination of welfare, liberals are simply not reproducing at the rate of conservatives.That's why the Democrat Party is hell bent on wide open borders and American citizenship for Mexicans.

---The reason it's so easy for me to defeat liberals in this forum is because you people are fucking stupid. I'm talking about low down, mentally retarded stupid."

---Dave the Moderator was just being nice to Tiny the Homo. He didn't know how to tell him that Ken The Texans pays a lot of money to post in the Forum He should have answered like this:Gay Guy go bye bye?Well, bye bye Gay Guy

Thanks kentool!!

I cant stand either one of you two . I think you should be checked for rabies.

I could give a shit if you are "nice"  or not "nice"

You are still a coupe of  loathsome dickwads here for one reason .. to stir shit

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 02/06/2010 06:20:19 PM EST

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The Best of Tiny Baby (none / 0)
It would contain hundreds of thousands of clips that sound like:

"I cant stand either one of you two . I think you should be checked for rabies. I could give a shit if you are "nice"  or not "nice". You are still a coupe of  loathsome dickwads here for one reason .. to stir shit"

By contrast, ancient clips of KenTX reacting poorly were always in response to electronic assault from stalkers like Tiny, Hubble, zippy, Juarez, Fred.


by KenTX on 02/06/2010 07:42:47 PM EST

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That's the strategy. (none / 0)
I should point out that Chris was very helpful in its formulation. It's called the "Conservative Victim Rope-A-Dope". 

(Its really what caused the "boycott".)

I was just minding my own business in TYT, being as sweet as a little honey bee, and I came under months of withering attack from Fred, Star, Hubble and their sock puppets.

Then they finally realized that their thousands of personal attacks only served to make them look bad, and me look good.

Luckily, their years of attacks against conservatives are archived, along with an electronic paper trail in the PM log. This effectively immunizes any impolite responses from guys like bobo and ken.

by KenTX on 02/06/2010 07:55:55 PM EST

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true goodness (none / 0)
some people don't realize that in order for a "bad person" to change, sometimes you just have to change your perception of them.  Joking or not, sometimes bobo says some fucked up shit...most of the time I could care less, but one time I was really offended...I asked for an apology, and although initially hesitant, bobo definitely felt bad for what he said...you people forget that he can have a sense of humor and fuck with libs, and you all take everything so seriously to the point where you won't forgive him for anything, and you end up becoming corrupted in the process.  You misunderstand forgiveness.  I hope you all can find it in your hearts to forgive Ken and Bobo for their "transgressions" in the past.  You don't have to be a fucking Christian to forgive people.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 02/06/2010 08:54:57 PM EST

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Chris defeated me on 9/22/2008. (none / 0)
I've been his bitch ever since.

Here was the moment it happened.

It changed my life.

I became born again.

(human this time)

by KenTX on 02/06/2010 09:12:19 PM EST

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Listen to the wisdom of Chris. (none / 0)
You can't be mean to someone who is nice to you.

It's impossible.

by KenTX on 02/06/2010 09:14:40 PM EST

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you want true? OK (none / 0)
KenTX is spreading the love :)  

"My goal is to convert young liberals from voting Democrat, to voting Republican or Libertarian. In order to accomplish this, I need to make them feel ashamed and embarrassed about ever having voted Democrat. I need to make them feel revulsion and disgust for the Democrat Party.

I measure success by the following metrics:

The number of comments by users expressing anger at Obama.
The number of comments by users expressing anger at the Democrat Party.
The number of comments by users claiming they won't vote in November.
The number of comments by users reporting disgust and loathing for Democrats.
The dramatic fall off in Democrat enthusiasm.

To summarize, my objective is a Democrat Party in decline and chaos. Any party that is lead by a man who says something like this or this, must be destroyed"

you go ahead and forgive him

I find him unforgivable

The fact that he refers to me as "tiny"  is a clue he hasnt  changed anything  ... including his adult diaper

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 02/06/2010 09:27:19 PM EST

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Tiny, please forgive me. (none / 0)
When you first arrived back in 2007, you called yourself "Tiny Demon", and the name just stuck.

It's easier to call you tiny, than Chinese. And based on your photo, well, uh, you look kinda tiny.

If you give us your real first name, I promise to try to use it.

by KenTX on 02/07/2010 02:50:18 AM EST

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What would Chris and Jesus do? (none / 0)
Chris employs the passive aggressive tactics of Jesus to dominate and defeat his enemies. Imagine you're a Roman soldier in Nazarath in 30 AD: "I don't know what to do with this Jesus guy! When I hate him, he loves me back. When I hit him, he turns the other cheek. When I order him to carry my pack a mile, he carries it two miles, and then prays for me!"

by KenTX on 02/06/2010 09:34:01 PM EST

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Ken and me (none / 0)
Will you ever learn?

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious."

by opposition on 02/08/2010 08:27:51 AM EST

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Ignorance is not defensive (none / 0)
Ignorance is offensive and it is self serving. 

Ignorance allow you to watch fox news and really think they are fair and balance.

Ignorance allow you to think that since you are voting republican you care about the average joe.

Ignorance allow you to think that cutting taxes is the answer to everything.

Ignorance allow you think that people are going to be OK with us trying to colonize the middle east and everyone is going to be ok with it.

Ignorance allow you to form tea party movements to stop government spending when your party took us from surplus to deficit, however you want to keep these wars going.  Oh wait that involves government spending too silly me.

Ignorance allow you to think that infinite spending in our elections by corporations (even foriegn ones) is good for us.  How conservative of the supreme court to make such a decision.

And finally ignorance allow you to think that conservative or republicans can be trusted with government.  Remember that they hate government so they run for it and do bad at it.

by terrill on 02/06/2010 01:56:50 PM EST

IMO, the funniest segment occurred (none / 0)
AFTER the first part of the sliced and diced (verrrry edited) aired version, when Billo interviewed "Tania" the body language expert. It was roll-over funny that even though he chose the clip, she basically dissed HIS version of what he interpreted---to the point that just as they were cutting away from the segment you hear him saying to her something like "that's ok Tania" as if (now I'm no "body language expert") she had made an apologetic gesture to him off camera. (Some clever techie can probably find this and provide the link. :)

by tifosies on 02/06/2010 03:29:37 PM EST

Like Able (none / 0)
When O'Reilly interviews guys like Stewart, he actually seems SLIGHTLY like able. His policies are still terrible but its quite obvious that he likes Stewart.

by admire on 02/06/2010 05:42:05 PM EST

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