03/10/2010 08:49:47 PM EST

No to TYT on ABC

posted by jhufford

I think having TYT on ABC would be disastrous. Either Cenk wants to be a serious commentator or a sellout, we don't need another commentator that stays inside the bounded mainstream framework. (and Cenk is just barely outside the bounds of mainstream discussion). My feeling is he'd get a nice muzzle as a sign-on bonus.

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It's time we give up on the main$tream media and turn to independent sources. The MSM is completely subservient to power. The whole reason I watch TYT is because it's largely independent.

Relatively few corporations own most of the MSM (ABC/Disney is huge) and they get the bulk of their revenue from advertisers(other corporations), their audiences are the product (not their news) and they sell it to advertisers. So what point of view do you expect to come from this? And Jesse Ventura was absolutely correct when he said the msm won't get tough with politicians because they'll loose access (the access of evil, as Amy Goodman calls it).

I think Cenk should keep the product his commentary. Who knows, maybe he can build an independent empire and get rich that way.

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Cenk should stay independent 42%
Cenk should join the MSM and fight the system from within 26%
Cenk will try to fight the system from within but get muzzled 19%
Cenk's a sellout and would welcome the muzzle, cha-ching! 11%

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No to TYT on ABC | 12 comments (12 topical, 0 hidden)
Keep in mind (none / 0)
The push is for Cenk to guest-host This Week one Sunday. That single appearance wouldn't result in "selling out", but it would result in great exposure.

by Tom Hanc on 03/10/2010 09:13:04 PM EST

it's ok to flirt with the msm,... (none / 0)
Yeah, I spose guest hosting would be OK, it would be good exposure, but there was the push earlier to get a spot on MSNBC, Cenk keeps trashing the msm but he continually tries to become a part of it. He's risking becoming an Obama, get everyone's hopes up and then toss his balls in the trash after he gains prominence.

by jhufford on 03/11/2010 12:53:51 PM EST

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Cenk for ABC (none / 0)
Is not what this is, ABC would NOT be a good idea i think Cenk would last 4 weeks before he got so pissed off at a repub lieing that Cenk would walk off the set, right then and there lol.

by DasConscript on 03/11/2010 12:25:00 AM EST

Dont sell out Cenk (none / 0)
You know we will drop you like a hot potato if you sell us out to the corporate media. Don't do it, end of story!

by icarrion on 03/11/2010 03:24:06 AM EST

There is a (tweet) balm! (none / 0)

Should Rachel Maddow have given up on the MSM? No decent argument can be made that we'd be better off without Rachel, Keith, Jon Stewart & Stephen Colbert (whose politics I'd call Progressive) out there making a case in the MSM.  It legitimizes our perspective with those voters who don't have time to be policy wonks and consider themselves in the center.

Most importantly, even if he tried out for a week and they decide not to go with him, having Cenk out there changes the conversation.

In all likelihood ABC will go with someone they view as "in the middle." As it stands they have Matthew Dowd on the Right & Christiane Amanpour or someone on the Left.  Just like Alan Grayson makes Al Franken a moderate in Glenn Beck's eyes, having strong support for Cenk out legitimizes someone less vocal but still decent.

Bring on the Tweet bomb! 8PM EST

by NikoliV on 03/11/2010 03:51:18 AM EST

but it's not what we need (none / 0)

No, Ms. Maddow shouldn't leave the MSM, but we already have her, steward and colbert, and they do some important work. But we don't need another soft-ball pitcher. We need someone to play hardball, and that's just not going to come from the corporate media. Corporate America will not undermine itself.

The problem with "in the middle" is that it's the middle of power and firmly in the right wing, not the middle of the population. I think that real change and momentum will have to come from outside the system, real grassroots stuff, which is what Cenk's doing right now.

by jhufford on 03/11/2010 01:15:14 PM EST

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Cenk won't sell out (none / 0)
I don't think a major TV network would have the balls to hire Cenk, but if they do, go forward! I'm sure Cenk will still be Cenk, and I'm pretty sure he'll get fired after a few shows because he's too honest, but there's no reason why he shouldn't try. Perhaps they'll give him some lousy late-night spot, and if his ratings are great, they might reconsider their policies. It's a long shot, but better than none.

by OldGerman on 03/11/2010 07:16:59 AM EST

Grab the money and run. (none / 0)
Cenk should do whatever the hell he wants to do and needs to do for this family. If he sells out, we can all have fun trashing him.

My guess is he's wise enough to remember where he came from and who he's fighting for. The man's on a mission.

He was raised by the great Dogan after all.

by designs on 03/11/2010 09:19:21 AM EST

Actually, it all depends on his contract.. (none / 0)

If Cenk retains all FINAL production, editorial or commentary power of the show, then yes, it would work well.

On the other hand, his show would be watered down simply because the medium will not be as open for him to say 'fucking democratic punk ass bitches'.. but he could say.. 'worthless democrats'.. 

So, even so, it would be great to see him on the national stage, which is so pathetic with few exceptions.

 

 

by wowisdabomb on 03/11/2010 09:21:59 AM EST

Sigh (none / 0)
Cenk isn't the Producer now; David is.

So how could he retain something he doesn't presently have?

by RedPossum on 03/11/2010 09:44:27 AM EST

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slight clarification (none / 0)
From the "About The Show" link at the top of the page.

Cenk Uygur is the host of The Young Turks. Ana Kasparian helps to produce and host the show. Jayar Jackson produces the show on a day-to-day basis. Jesus Godoy is the editor and director. Dave Koller is the Executive Producer who puts it all together.

So, Ana and Jayar do the day-to-day production and Dave is the Executive Producer.

At any rate, you can see that there is no mention of any production responsibilities assigned to Cenk.

by RedPossum on 03/11/2010 09:51:05 AM EST

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Cenk is smart (none / 0)
I remember when REM went from an independant label and signed a major label deal, all the indies cried SELLOUTS!  REM would now produce pablum and lose their edge.

What they didn't consider was that those guys were smart enough to negotiate a deal where they retained complete artistic control.  It was fairly groundbreaking at the time.  They went on to produce some of their best albums for the dreaded major labels.

Of course they eventually lost their edge, but that's because they got old.

I think Cenk is smart enough to negotiate the kind of deal that would let him say whatever he wants.  Which leads me to believe that only some network like comedy central or HBO would have him.  You never know though.  There IS Rachael.

A wire in the fire room

by blueheartinaredstate on 03/11/2010 10:00:14 AM EST

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