03/11/2010 06:11:02 PM EST

MoveOn.org 83-17 To Pass The Bill

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Huge Majority Of MoveOn Members Supports Passing Senate Bill

Here's a pretty clear indication that the left, whatever its disappointment with the Senate health bill, still overwhelmingly sees passing it as by far the best course of action.

As I noted here yesterday, MoveOn polled its members to ask whether the organization should support or oppose passing the Senate bill. Check out these results, sent over by a MoveOn official:

Should MoveOn support or oppose the final health care bill if it looks like the plan recently proposed by President Obama?

Support 83

Oppose 17



Not terribly surprising, perhaps, but MoveOn's membership is comprised of pretty hard-core liberal activists, and this shows pretty clearly that among this crowd, the kill-the-bill camp overwhelmingly lost the argument.


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Is MoveOn now not progressives?  Is MoveOn a centrist corporatist organisation?

Is Ed Shultz now not a progressive?  

How about Stephanie Miller?

Or Wendell Potter?

Or Howard Dean?

Or Bernie Sanders?

Or Markos? Maddow? Olbermann?

Or how about Anthony Weiner and Alan Grayson?

Or Nancy Pelosi?

Al Franken, a corporatist?

I could go on.

Democrats might not have spoken, but the liberal-progressive movement has united, that there can no longer be any doubt.  All of them listed above are for the Public Option or Single-Payer, and all of them have come to the conclusion that passing this bill is the right thing to do.

Stand with them, or stand with McConnell and Boehner. History can judge.

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MoveOn.org 83-17 To Pass The Bill | 12 comments (12 topical, 0 hidden)
Doesn't change my mind anyway. (none / 0)
This bill does far more damage than good and the fact that some people disagree with me doesnt change the substance of the bill.

Ill be standing with myself to the end.

by Young Turk 87 on 03/11/2010 07:02:00 PM EST

Others (none / 0)
Will be standing with you, like me. None of them have refuted the projected long term damage of this bill, and if any of them come crying to you just punch em in the face. None of these people speak for all progressives, plenty of them have switched back and forth for this thing so whatever. This thing is going to get passed, Obama and congress shaped it the way they wanted it, and they are going to push it. The slaughter this is going to cause for the Dems is going to be hilarious.

by Alloy on 03/11/2010 07:36:59 PM EST

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Nobody (none / 0)
ever speaks for everybody.  But there is no doubt that there is now a consenus among progressives and liberals.

MoveOn is larger than all the other progressive organisations put together.  DailyKos would be a distant second.  Virtually all of the other powerful liberals (by this I mean people like Ed Schultz) now endorse this also.

The progessives against this now are small bit groups like FDL or the whacko sites like NoQuarter and HillaryIs44.

Health Care will be made a right once this is signed into law, not a privledge that Rush, Beck, Boehner and McConnell believe it should be.  That philosophical change will be one of the biggest in our nation's history.

As Howard Dean said over at Kos & Sherrod Brown said a few days ago on Countdown, the fight for the Public Option (or more likely expanded Medicare) will not be over.  We will not let it be.  But now will have all the other essentials (such as the unpopular mandate that is necessary for a Public Option to work) out of the way to make it a single-issue vote, instead of it being forced to be a small part on a major major bill where it's much easier to kill.

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by HistoryByDay on 03/11/2010 08:00:04 PM EST

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Well (none / 0)
All that’s left to say is, you guys own this along with Obama. You won’t need Glenn Beck after this to give Progressives a bad name. The theory that you need a mandate first is foolish, unless that plan is to let the insurance milk everyone so bad that it will be the only action left. I don't know whose going to be left to join this fight to follow up on a public option (OR WHEN) or a single payer system, call me blind but I again see this whole thing and every other bill being constructed as the Dems forging the weapon for their slaughter. 

by Alloy on 03/11/2010 08:51:20 PM EST

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We Know We'll Own It (none / 0)
and look, I'm against the mandate on the same philosophical reasons you probably are, but I just can't see how insurance (public or private) can get around the cost shifting issue without it.  My ears are open if you know how.

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by HistoryByDay on 03/11/2010 09:48:46 PM EST

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This bill helps a lot of poor people. (none / 0)
There is no question this bill will help a lot of poor people get health coverage, unfortunately at the expense of the tax payer and to the profit of the health insurance industry.  It's a bad bill, because it doesn't lower costs, it doesn't stop the problem of pre-existing claims and it penalizes healthy people who must buy something they don't need.  Better to support Grayson's new bill.  There is a gathering movement among progressives in Congress to fight for a medicare enhanced bill which in the end is the only that makes sense.  That's where progressives need to put their effort.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 03/11/2010 08:34:16 PM EST

Don't (none / 0)
Worry, they will come back to it. Oh and of course we won't know who "they" are, it could be Reps who come back to this bill. The Grayson bill would bill awesome, but instead we are focusing on something that if it DOESN’T get updated it will even fail to help the initial poor over a few years.

by Alloy on 03/11/2010 08:56:11 PM EST

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Amen (none / 0)
Thank you History for the dose of reality.  I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees it that way.

by publius on 03/11/2010 09:17:07 PM EST

I think it's fatigue and frustration. The Rs have (none / 0)

by toosinbeymen on 03/12/2010 02:53:18 AM EST

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succeeded in killing hcr. And Dems own the mess. (none / 0)

by toosinbeymen on 03/12/2010 02:56:09 AM EST

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It's justice because the Dems facilitated it. (none / 0)

by toosinbeymen on 03/12/2010 03:28:57 AM EST

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that bill is a Frankenstien of sellouts to insuran (none / 0)

The bill is awful, and who cares if some prominent libs now support 'something' over nothing.

This is playing out as planned, delay, delay delay, it was never really the administration trying to look bipartisian, it was never trying to be fair, it was all along a big scam to corner the entire party to accepting this peice of garbage.

Yes, it is garbage, and there is no way it can be fixed in reconciliation without a iron clad agreement to put in a public option.

Obama does play chess, you just have to wait a long time to see the moves.

 

 

by wowisdabomb on 03/12/2010 09:57:24 AM EST

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