03/12/2010 07:28:14 PM EST

Just watched the new Gaga/Beyonce video...

posted by MedfordTim

I figured it out. Gaga is the love child of Tiny Tim and early 80's Madonna. And, no, that's not a good thing.

People are comparing this video to Thriller. For them, I suggest a 12 Step treatment program to get off Crack. Quentin Tarantino should sue, but knowing his reputation, he'll like it. Probably ask to do the sequel.

Please...WHEN are her 15 minutes up?

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Just watched the new Gaga/Beyonce video... | 30 comments (30 topical, 0 hidden)
Thriller? (none / 0)
Thriller is pretty cheesy, man---IMO.  I mean it’s visually stunning alright---for 12-year-olds.  LOL!

Lady Gaga won’t have JUST 15 minutes---because she already knows 15x the chords other pop stars know---including the late Latex Monkey---AKA MJ.  Plus she’s paid her dues---and I don’t mean coaxing Jesus nut from Lil’ Boy Blue's peach fuzz staff.

MJ was a great performer, but I think Lady Gaga is more artistic by far.

But, that can’t possibly be true, right?  After all, she’s only a woman---yet another goal MJ didn’t achieve.  Heh, heh.

by kurd55 on 03/12/2010 09:36:31 PM EST

Waitaminute... (none / 0)
Here's the link to the people who are comparing it.

I'm not comparing it. Both are ridiculously overhyped.

by MedfordTim on 03/12/2010 10:24:18 PM EST

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wow... (none / 0)

you have just shown you have no music credibility whatsoever...even people who don't like MJ wouldn't say that Lady Gaga has more MUSICAL talent this early in her career.  That's just a ridiculous statement.  It has nothing to do with her being a woman, and more to do with the fact that she's in the first two years of a professional career.  You can't even begin to compare that to a career that spanned 35-40 years, and included work with pretty much ALL of the major musicians from 1980-2000...wow...I think MJ was a pervy wanker and all, but you really can't start putting GAGA in that league for another 5-10 years at least.

 

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 03/13/2010 01:24:45 PM EST

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WHAAAAT (none / 0)

EVERYONE involved in the production had to have been thinking oh my god, what the FUCK is this?$%!@#$

 

soooo awful.

by AGENTORANGE24 on 03/12/2010 10:56:02 PM EST

Say what? (none / 0)
Heh, heh. Could you be a lil' bit more specific about why you feel the way you do?

I mean, you don't have to, of course. I'm just curious.

Thanks.

by kurd55 on 03/12/2010 11:01:03 PM EST

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Wasted 7 mins of my life watching this crap ... (none / 0)

A Proud Progressive!!!

by teron678 on 03/13/2010 12:10:11 AM EST

oh me, homage.. (none / 0)
you didn't enjoy beyonce's hairdo tribute to bettie paige??
bettie

~majority.fm

by mauirising on 03/13/2010 12:13:25 AM EST

omg (none / 0)
Don't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence.

Bettie Paige was pure sex on the half-shell.

Lady Gaga is just, ugh, crass and vulgar, yes, but more than that, gratuitously crass and vulgar. The girl has got no class.

by RedPossum on 03/13/2010 01:05:19 AM EST

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I liked the video (none / 1)
even though I didn't care for the music at all. I don't get where you have the idea she should sue Tarantino, just because they used a prop from Kill Bill. The other stuff that might have reminded you of Tarantino was just standart 70s- Exploitation rip of. Acerlund was ripping of the same kind of films that Tarantino rips of, no reason for Quentin to sue.
If people would be able to sue musicians for videos that resemble films it would definitly have happened to Rammstein:

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/13/2010 04:54:26 AM EST

RAMMSTEIN!!! (none / 0)
F%$K JA!!!

by hazmat on 03/13/2010 01:25:19 PM EST

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It was tongue in cheek (none / 0)
...but there WAS a bit more QT than you give it credit for - the lettering, the extra verbiage in the wording for dramatic effect, the restaurant scene, of course the Pussy Wagon (he probably lent it to them). Other stuff, but I'd rather not watch it again to point them out.

Still...I haven't looked lately, but I think Lacy Gaga is a sign of the "end times" referred to in Revalations. Yeah, here it is:

"First there will come a wave of pestilence known as "Disco," followed by a decade of mostly mediocre pop songs, then the darkness starts to descend with Talking Poets hyping themselves with samples from actuallly talented musicians, soon to be followed by feedback guitar and unintelligable lyrics where loud and whiny are substituted for talent, then the end fast approaches with an over the top High School musical diva who thinks wigs, bikinis, makeup Kiss and Alice Cooper would be ashamed of, and really, really stupid hats substitute for entertainment."

I'm just sayin'...if she does a remake of "Rapture," duck and cover!

by MedfordTim on 03/13/2010 11:40:20 PM EST

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He lent her the Pussy Wagon (none / 0)
and she is very proud of it. Rightfully so!

The problem with QT is that he is not an inovator. He doesn't create anything new, he just steals from old films. He does that brilliantly and puts things into new contexts in a personal way. He is really postmodern, but there is nothing to his work that wasn't "stolen".
His works are collages of older works.
He introduces many techniques and sylistics to an audience that would never watch any of the foreign b-movies that he is taking them from, but that doesn't make them his inventions.
QT is comparable to a musician who only uses samples. He may have his own style, but all the elements are taken from other artists.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/14/2010 05:35:49 AM EST

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I agree (none / 0)
...except for Jackie Brown. In that one, he turned conventions inside out. Maybe because it's root was an Elmore Leonard novel. I don't know.

I like QT a lot (I was never serious about him suing) probably because I'm a movie addict too, and have seen a good proportion of the movies he has. I get the homages, the winks, the blatant rip-offs. They're part of his inside joke. But he's made three "inside" movies in a row. I'd like to see him try again instead of playing to "his" crowd so much.

by MedfordTim on 03/14/2010 07:09:15 AM EST

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I love QT, (none / 0)
but I don't see how he turned the conventiones inside out.
He takes the novel, mixes it with some blacksploitation elements and some random ideas from many other genres. What changed in this film is that he now seems to consider himself as part of the sources to steal from. From this film on the references to his own films become really extrem. (Is Basterds the first film without Big Kahuna burgers?)

From film addict to film addict:
From what film is the scene with the money that is shot from 3 different perspectives? Every time I see it I get a feeling of deja vu, but I can't put my finger on the source. Some European film definitly, French or Hitchcock, but I just can't remember the exact source. Please, help.

PS: Of course I understood that you weren't seriously advocating legal action.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/14/2010 07:44:55 AM EST

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Ooooo...tough one (none / 0)
The convention of doubling back on the point of view to show different aspects of the same scene?

Hitchcock, sort of - he used it a bit in The Trouble With Harry. Brian DePalma has used it a couple of times and critics seem to think of him as a poor man's Hitch. Blow Out uses it as does 1966's Blow Up.

Even The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence used it, but in a flashback scenario...and I think I know which French film you're refering to, though it's name escapes me. I see Jean Paul Belmando as the lead...but I could be brain farting...and if Orson Welles never used it, I would be surprised, although I can't think of a specific movie of his which used it - maybe The Third Man in a flashback...the original Italian Job?

I do think that QT's use of it is the best example of How to do it - the editing and timing are as close to perfect as one could hope. Seamless, continuity between actor placement and camera shots - magnificient!

One "convention" that jumped out at me was the way he used long, slow shots of someone going here or there but unlike most shots of these kind which feel like padding, he keeps it interesting and even builds tension, and he does it at least 4 times in Jackie.

I would be willing to bet that we'd have to go back to a silent movie to find the origin of that sort of back-and-forth POV gag. Be fun to find the first instance of it...

by MedfordTim on 03/14/2010 06:12:24 PM EST

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Sure (none / 0)
It's been done many times, but this QT thing  always reminds me of a scene that is very similar. To present a scene from different viewpoints was done so often that it is nearly a cliche, but  it is rare that three versions directly follow each other. Also the passing of the money seems to be important to the scene I remember.
I have do agree though that Quentin does it brilliantly.
About that convention with the long shot: That has been done brilliantly by Brian DePalma in Snake Eyes. That opening scene is fantastic, even though it consists of 8 shots, it looks like one.

I take DePalma over Hitchcock every day, Hitchvcock is quite dated, especially some stuff like the shower scene in Psycho.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/15/2010 03:51:17 AM EST

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Well...I'M quite dated, so... (none / 0)
I will never forget coming out of the theater as a 9 year old after watching The Birds and seeing what seemed like a thousand birds on the telephone lines overhead. Brrrr!

I wasn't trying to disparage DePalma; I can't remember any of his I haven't liked, just pointing out what his major detractors usually point to. If I had a complaint, it would be that he does too many remakes for my taste. I'd like to see more things springing from his well rather than another reinterpretation. 

I wasn't thinking so much of the sustained long view like the beginning of Goodfellas, more like the huge number of B movies who have a long shot of someone walking or driving that really doesn't advance the story or add anything other than running time.

I agree that the shower scene is dated, but it opened the door for so much since - it really was a watershed moment in getting movies back from the censor board. Remember, he wasn't known as the master of horror, rather the master of suspense. That's one thing dating doesn't remove when it's done right.

by MedfordTim on 03/15/2010 12:39:19 PM EST

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So we agree on DePalma (none / 0)
Hitchcock just doesn't appeal to me, because his suspence was once original, but he created so many standarts, that his movies seem like a collection of cliches (which they obviously aren't, it's not his fault that everybody ripped his ideas) and a little slow.

Plus, he is maybe too much of a pervert for me.
Ever seen The Pervert's Guide to Cinema?
When Zisek talked about flowers and David Lynch I had to laugh really hard.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/16/2010 01:56:17 AM EST

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Lady Gaga you sexy muthafucka (none / 0)
Please...WHEN are her 15 minutes up?

It has just come to my attention that you might be a little bit old.

I didn't want to like it...but it held my attention and the two protagonists were badass. Reminded me of some good old Russ Meyer sexploitation. I give it three thumbs up.

Quentin Tarantino, by the way, owns the rights to NOTHING. Everything he does is either a nod, an homage or an imitation. If he sued over this, I'd become a champion of tort reform.

by OneHitKill on 03/13/2010 07:11:34 AM EST

Really? Just now? (none / 0)
Of COURSE I'm old - everyone knows that (now, get the fuck off my lawn!), but what has that got to do with it? Her music is CRAP and if she didn't dress outrageously, no one would give her a second glance.

Well, no, I'm probably wrong about that. There have been a lot of hacks who still somehow sold albums (are you listening, Michael Bolton??), no reason to think she couldn't be another.

...but, I'll give ya that her face is perfect for radio...

by MedfordTim on 03/14/2010 07:23:31 AM EST

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GaGa's 15 Minutes Will Be Up (none / 0)
in about 15 years.  Sorry for those drinking the hatorade, but she's not a flash in the pan and is here to stay.

GaGa is also a proud progressive, it's time to get on board the GaGa train before you get ran over by it.  

Vote GaGa 2016!

My website: History By Day
Follow my on twitter @historyday.

by HistoryByDay on 03/13/2010 12:09:21 PM EST

Holdupafuckinminute.... (none / 0)
Why the fuck would I care what her politics are? When it comes to music, I want good music. If Toby Keith did a credible version of All Along The Watchtower, I wouldn't give a shit about how conservative he is.

Really? 15 years from now, you want to be seeing this shtick? Do you still enjoy Carrot Top, too? Go to the last Duran Duran reunion tour, eh? Maybe she'll have a show in Vegas, like Celine Dion...one could only hope...

I'd like ger a lot better if she added a couple of letters to her name.

Lady Gaggag...

by MedfordTim on 03/14/2010 06:59:54 AM EST

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Re (none / 0)
"If Toby Keith did a credible version of All Along The Watchtower..."

Because covering other people's music is where the talent is.  I bet you enjoy Karaoke nights too!

We Want More GaGa!

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by HistoryByDay on 03/14/2010 09:49:14 AM EST

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uh, what did i just read? (none / 0)
gaga is more an artist than michael jackson was?

yeah sure the guy who wrote billy jean and revolutionised dance music singlehandedly is just a performer... get outta here.

i mean, i only like a couple of songs from MJ BUT this transvestite cant and will never be able to hold a candle to him, probably the greatest solo artist since elvis presley.

she's a very cheap madonna ripoff with music that's so ridiculously bad it's only outdone by her sense of fashion.

don't get me started on her horse-ish looks...
is anyone really into gaga? okay, quick business inside scoop then: penis rumour.


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by EauDeCologne on 03/13/2010 01:05:17 PM EST

Perspective (none / 0)
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was a musical genius. Without Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson was a hack.


If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's "free."

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTwba on 03/13/2010 03:41:08 PM EST

So was Twba (none / 0)
Michael Jackson was a hack.

Post a video of yourself moonwalking.

by OneHitKill on 03/14/2010 09:41:52 PM EST

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gaga is a freak... (none / 0)
but that doesnt mean she isn't talented.  I like most of her songs, and unlike 99% of pop stars today, she can actually sing.

by alienufo on 03/13/2010 05:34:48 PM EST

Or to paraphrase: (none / 0)
"Waah, waaah, I am old, I don't understand these whipper-snappers' ways anymore. Gaga does not even remotely sound like Elvis and the Beatles, it is that bad! And she looks weird! I think all music should sound like when I was young! This is all too much for me.... I'm passing out!"

by eborujion on 03/14/2010 02:36:03 PM EST

I thought the music and the video were crap.. (none / 0)
but you gotta admit it was pretty erotic... I thought she looked hot in the yellow police tape outfit.

Also, Beyonce is hot as well and this is definitely something I wouldn't have predicted she would do...

by ilovecenk99 on 03/14/2010 11:17:11 PM EST

Madonna (none / 0)
The biggest thing Gaga has in common with Madonna is that both think they are way hotter than they actually are!  She is at best a 6 IMHO.  It's almost like she's Christina Agulara's ugly, talentless little sister; only way to get attention is to do crazy shit.   

by alphasigmookie on 03/15/2010 02:04:38 PM EST

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