03/14/2010 11:41:07 AM EST

Israel Punches the US in the Mouth

posted by Lunshbox

Isreal has, once again, decided to screw over an entire region. -- Cross post from my blog--

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On a recent trip to Israel, ( http://mobile.latimes.com/i nf/infomo?view=WorldItem&am p;feed:a=latimes_1min&f eed:c=worldnews&feed:i= 52643607 ) Vice-President Joe Biden and the US was embarrassed when, while talking about peace with the Palestinians, the Israeli Government decided to announce plans to establish a new neighborhood in Jerusalem consisting of 1,600 housing units. The area of Jerusalem that they decided to build in is a disputed Arab area of East Jerusalem.

Now, after ( http://www.latimes.com/news /nation-and-world/la-fg-us- israel14-2010mar14,0,736771 3.story ) Secretary of State Clinton verbally bitch-slapped  the Israeli Government over their actions, the Israeli’s are getting a little uncomfortable. They were flummoxed that their greatest ally would dare speak to them in such a way. The Israeli Prime Minister is now ( http://www.google.com/hoste dnews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_ 0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD9E EEFH00 ) telling everyone to calm down and try to work things out.

First off, the conservative government of Israel is out of their minds. They didn’t even try to hide the fact that they were going to build the neighborhood, and waited until the Vice-President was in tow to make the announcement. What does that tell you about what they think of the US? Sure, they will take our aide and support and give us the middle finger in return. What is it with these conservative governments fulfilling their own versions of manifest destiny? It seems that conservatives are the same the world over: jackasses who think the world revolves around their own awesome country.

Secondly, why do we continue to support Israel? I have seen no reason for the continued effort to help bring peace to a country that obviously doesn’t want it. The Israeli’s have treated the Palestinians like crap for a long time. This is not to say that the Palestinians haven’t been complicit in some of the violence in the region, but come on now. There is a such thing as a proportional response. Remember a few years ago when the Lebanese fired a few rockets into Israel? Terrible I know. A lot of people were killed. But what was the response of the Israeli government? Take over the entire country (which they damn near did). This is what you get when you have unlimited support from the Bush Administration.

Finally, I love this quote from Prime Minister Netanyahu:

"Israel and the U.S. have mutual interests," Netanyahu told the Cabinet, then pointedly added, "but we will act according to the vital interests of the state of Israel."

What mutual interests do we share with Israel? They seem hell-bent on creating an environment in the middle-east that is friendly only to themselves and no one else. What mutual interests do we share with a country that is trying to push an entire people into the sea? Well, we definitely share something in common with them. It is reminiscent of how the US has treated, and still treats the Native Americans. So here is what the US should say to the Israeli’s: “Fine, act according to your national interests. You can do it without any of our money or help. As of now, your US aide is cancelled; no US company will be allowed to do business with you; your accounts held in US banks are now frozen. Have a nice day.”

We will see where this all ends up. If history is any indicator, especially with this administration, then it will obviously end with an apology from the US and a blind eye towards the plight of the Palestinians.

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Israel Punches the US in the Mouth | 16 comments (16 topical, 0 hidden)
Well said! (none / 0)
Well said, overall.

The USA sends $18 Billion per year in aid to Israel in various forms, and as you point out, we get dick-all in return.

As I have said before, we should cut off all aid to Israel and tell them, "You've brewed yourselves a bitter cup of tea, and now you get to drink it."

But we won't. As you predict, Obama will back down like the whiny bitch he is, and tongue Netanyahu's asshole again. The Jewish lobby is just too strong, too rich, and too powerful.

I am a bit surprised this took so long to show up on TYT. It was still Friday morning here in the USA when the Israelis stepped on their dick, and this has been big news in the Middle East for 48 hours now.

by RedPossum on 03/14/2010 12:48:26 PM EST

Yup (none / 0)
The minute Israel doesn't have the US feeding it; it will stop acting like the big guy around that region. I would put money that they would be begging for peace talks with its neighbors as soon as they realized they would get no back up. Either that or go out in a blaze of religious and imperialistic ideals.

They clearly committed war crimes during the last conflict and the US says “fuck you world” when everyone agrees their actions went too far. The US wonders why they hate us.

by Alloy on 03/14/2010 02:53:31 PM EST

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Israel is a Catastrophy! (none / 0)

Its a religious state, fanatical and right wing.

 If you do your research into the Haganah and the Irgun Gang (Stern Gang) you find that Israel's government was founded by these globally recognised terrorist groups.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/Lehi_%28group%29

 

If you research the Israeli secret service you find that their Official Motto is ""With clandestine terrorism we will conduct war"   http://100777.com/node/431   This is the official state sanctioned secret service, bragging that it uses terror to conduct its zionist war.

 

How many Black flags, which can only be designated as crimes against humanity will we tolerate Israel perpetrating.

 

Israel's self important attitude leaves it no room for friends of any sort, Peace is not a real option with Israel until it realizes that it has to pay for its crimes. The Israeli conflict in the middle east is costing the whole world as the Israeli Junta drags the rest of the world into its calculated wars of aggression aimed at fulfilling its religious fanatical ideology.

 

by icarrion on 03/14/2010 01:03:31 PM EST

No Respect? (none / 0)
<h1 align="center">CONFESSIONS OF AN EX-MOSSAD AGENT</h1>

Excerpt from Victor Ostrovsky's, "By way of deception"

by icarrion on 03/14/2010 01:26:51 PM EST

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Israel, we just can't quite you (none / 0)
The reasons we so blindly and massively support this tiny state are:

* Political because the christianists among us think they are Israel metaphorically. They would go apeshit if the US initiated a pragmatic foreign policy towards Israel. Which political party could ignore 10-20% of our pathetically misinformed and emotionally off the rails electorate?

* Guilty because we did nothing except turn Jews away in droves when they sought asylum from Europe during WWII. We had to know that the ovens were operating at maximum capacity. We didn't bomb railroads, camps, nothing. Instead we turned ships away that were full of Jewish refugees.

The result is that Israel has us over a barrel. We both know it and they are taking maximum advantage to our continued humiliation.

by toosinbeymen on 03/14/2010 01:31:51 PM EST

You understate the problem. (none / 0)

The level of Christian support is closer to 35-40%.  Evangelicals, which make up a larger proportion of the Republican base almost unanimously support Israel.  While the Holocaust may have influenced the formation of Israel, barring Germany it has little or no influence in today's politics.  It's difficult for anyone beyond those impacted by that tragedy to get excited over it today, instead people are more interested in today's tragedies.

We should cutoff the aid to both sides.  Aid has the perversity of financing the killing on both sides.  The US is underwriting this conflict just as we are underwriting a half dozen conflicts around the world.  The US govt desires conflict to advance its domination of the middle east, central Asia and Latin America.

If we ended the conflicts in Afghanistan,  Iraq and Colombia we could cut the defense budget in half, instead we have a commission that Obama has formed that will tell us to cut grandma's social security instead.

The solution for Israelis and Palestinians is one state, one democracy just like the US.  Unfortunately Zionism demands that state must be Jewish, non-starter with the Palestinians for obvious reasons. Unfortunately a true stable democracy would be dangerous for the other dictatorial regimes in the region.  So, we have endless conflict with no possible resolution paid for with your tax/petro dollars.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 03/14/2010 11:35:26 PM EST

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I agree with you but (none / 0)
you're way too logical for this topic. The supporters are driven by emotion, logic doesn't have a prayer.

We can't quite Israel. It's the highest voltage third rail in politics. Just come near it and the arc would blind you.

by toosinbeymen on 03/15/2010 01:03:32 PM EST

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"logic doesn't have a prayer" lol (none / 0)
That works on so many levels.;-)

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/16/2010 06:27:37 AM EST

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Fake crisis (none / 0)

The US and the Israelis are creating a fake crisis to give the US political cover in the event Israel bombs Iran.  The US will then point to these settlement disputes to claim that Israel is out of control while behind closed doors they will be congratulating each other with high fives and back slaps.

The main trigger point will be US withdrawal from Iraq.  Without US forces controlling Iraq it makes an attack against Iran infinitely more difficult.  Should the US remove its forces in July as scheduled, it will remove Israel's final opportunity.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 03/15/2010 12:39:24 AM EST

Ugh (none / 0)
Unfortunately, that is all too likely a scenario.

But I don't think it will work as planned this time. I think that the world has changed fundamentally, in ways to which those in DC are still oblivious.

There are odd events working in the Middle East, hidden from public view. I don't pretend to know what is going on, but the signs are there to be seen, like the swirl in the water when a really big fish moves suddenly, just under the surface. You can't see the fish itself, but its presence is indisputable.

One example: I do not believe that the death of the head of al-Azhar was of natural causes. The timing and circumstances are too suspicious, and too ripely opportune for assassination.

There are a number of controversies all coming to a head right now. Iran and its nuclear program, the death of Sheikh Mohammed Sayed Tantawi that I just mentioned, the Israeli closure of the Haram al-Sharif or Temple Mount, settlement issues in Jerusalem, water issues in Jerusalem, the Goldstone report, and now this alleged spat with the USA.

Of these issues, only the Goldstone report is new, but never before have they all peaked at once.

Ah, for another T.E. Lawrence...

"All men dream - but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men - for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible. This I did."

History's sad footnote: First the British provided the Arabs with Lawrence, to lead and inspire them in their brilliant war of self-liberation from the Turks. Then as soon as the Arabs were free, the British turned around and sold them out to the French.

by RedPossum on 03/15/2010 12:52:51 PM EST

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Can you speculate? (none / 0)
You can't know what all of this means, but can you offer a couple of educated theories?

by Milltycoon on 03/15/2010 06:07:30 PM EST

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Not to sound like a conspiracy nutter... (none / 0)

You have some very public statements telling Israel not to attack Iran.  These were made by Adm Mullen, Sec Gates and others.  This lays the ground work for the admin to say they did not support it.  Then you create a very public spat which has the illusion that Israel and the US are not on the same page.

Anyone that has been breathing in Israel during the past two years would know that settlements are very sensitive to the whole peace discussion.  Only someone with a brain the size of a mouse would begin to think that announcing settlements during the visit by the VP of the US would not create a verbal jousting.

VP Biden pretended to be upset, yet his speech at the Tel Aviv Univ afterward was more of a love fest.  Enter Sec Clinton hurling bombast at Israel as if Israel was trying to sabotage the talks and then you have Netanyahu finally acting as if he just got religion.

Notice that the US has finally begun to put the Taliban on the run, Iraq is stabilized.  This frees up troops to respond to any Iranian aggression without seeming to put at risk US operations there.  Remember Iraq is northwest of Iran and Afghanistan is southeast with Qatar to the west.  The US virtually has Iran surrounded.

If the Israelis want to attack Iran, they must do so before US troops leave the region or Iran will be able to quickly exact revenge on the west for their complicity.  US troops are to begin withdrawing July 1st.  That gives Israel a 75 day window to pull it off.  Further the US has announced that they will draw down troops in Afghanistan in 2011, a second deadline.

Imagine the response in the US if oil were cutoff temporarily because of a conflict.  Prices would rise above $150/barrel once again.  Interest rates would go up 2% and Obama would be come a crisis President helping the democrats in the upcoming election.

A theory, eventually we will go to war with Iran.  That's why we built all those bases over there.  If we cannot get regime change, then we will find a pretext to attack.  WMD's?

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 03/15/2010 08:21:55 PM EST

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Sins of the "fathers" (none / 0)
Are often repeated by their children.
When parents hit their children, the children are more likely to hit theirs.
When American slaves were freed and settled in Liberia, they started to become slave owners themselves.
I don't claim that this has anything to do with the psyche of the Israeli people, but...

If any other country would behave like they do the vocabulary to criticize them would be quite obvious and nobody would be able to call Godwin.

I think currently they are a little drunk with power and feel invincible. They don't even bother if they hurt their relations with their allies as the killing of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh and the reactions to that from Germany
 and Britain show. Right now Israel is a real loose cannon. In my opinion they pose much more danger than Iran, because Iran knows its weakness and will only attack as a last resort, when they know that they have nothing left to lose. Israel on the other hand behaves like a schoolyard bully and is much more interested in violence than negotiations. They provoke, so they get an excuse to hit back. How can this critique be antisemitic, when Jews are supposed to act on the premise an "eye for an eye" and not "a bunch of dead bodies for an eye"? It would be antisemitic, if they were criticized for "behaving like Jews" which they are obviously not.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/16/2010 06:48:07 AM EST

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anti Israel and anti-semetism and this announcemen (none / 0)
It's a tricky matter to draw the distinction between criticism of Israel and anti-Jewish sentiment.  One reason that it's tricky is because often they ARE the same, despite the reluctance of many on the left to realize/accept/understand/a dmit that.  When there is an issue involving Israel, the intensity of the invective increases noticeably.  A critic of Israel may even be 100% correct on the analysis, but the perverted pleasure that critic gets from being able to stick it to Israel is the anti-Jewish part, not the criticism of the factual matter at hand.

In the current flap, it is incorrect to say that "Israel" or even "the Israeli government" insulted the US or proverbially punched the US in the face or whatever the accusation is.  The Israeli government has in the governing coalition a few "right-wing, ultra jewish" ministers who indeed ARE (probably) racist and war mongers and hate Arabs/Palestinians/muslims.  It was one of these assholes who made the announcement of the housing construction when Biden was visiting.  Although these guys are ministers with portfolios, they are kind of rogue operators in the government, and I don't think it's fair to equate their words and actions with those of "Israel".

David

by yturks on 03/16/2010 12:58:54 AM EST

No, wrong (none / 0)
David, that's just wrong.

Anti-semitism is one thing.

Anti-zionism is another thing entirely.

The idea that you can't criticize Israel without being an anti-semite is a bullshit attempt to stifle debate.

by RedPossum on 03/16/2010 01:57:34 AM EST

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Analysis from Europe: (none / 0)
Netanyahu Against the Rest of the World

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/17/2010 03:29:35 AM EST

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