It Was Nice Having You Around, Ms. Maddow

After having watched yet another awesome clip featuring Rachel Maddow on MSNBC via my Young Turks Youtube subscription, I would really love to start tuning in to watch her program.  It's just too bad that her career life expectancy is probably tanking.

There's no kind way to say this, so I'll say it as directly as I can: By practicing real journalism, Rachel Maddow has performed a bit of professional masturbation.  Sure, she's having a great time now, really ripping things up, but in the end, she's just screwing herself.

Now that I've got the vulgarity out of my system for the moment, I hardly think I have to explain to the group here on the forum what I mean when I say this, or what Cenk meant when he implored Rachel to 'watch [her] back'.  Television news anchors and op-ed contributors in broadcasts utilize their degrees and academic achievements in the study of journalism far less than any other degree-holding professional likely does, and for one reason.  That reason?  If you stick to the primary foundation of 'Who, What, Where, When and Why', and leave out the marketability and entertainment aspects, you're in for some trouble.  The editors/producers might well decide your style is too dry or unprofessional somehow, and if you do a story on anybody who helps finance your network/paper, you may as well pack your bags, because pal, you're gone.

And let's also be realistic.  Maddow comes after the Republicans with a fervor, injecting some much-needed and long overdue vitriol into her jabs in their direction.  Her analysis on these things is not completely untinted by emotion and opinion.  But that emotion and passion does not in any way discredit the factual basis of the statements she's making.

Of course, in the wonderful world of television journalism and mainstream media on the whole, telling the audience what's true with respect to the 4 W's and H (Who, What, Where, When, How) isn't what the sponsors or executives in charge really want.  All they want is more ratings and more advertising revenue, so watch out whose buttons you start pressing.

The ethics of a reporter or journalist are (to the best of my knowledge) to ascertain as many facts as one can about a topic or event as possible, gather all of the information, fact-check everything that can be fact-checked, and submitting a story/synopsis to the editors or producers in time to tape the story or frame up the work around a live program. Statments made that cannot be fact-checked should be properly attributed as 'could not be confirmed at the time this report airs/reaches publication, but a follow-up in the coming days is likely/expected/will be conducted when possible.

As has been said on the show now a number of times, it's about the money, Lebowski.  Bunny says you're good for it.  (See 'The Big Lebowski' for a full understanding of these references).  If somebody holding a portion of MSNBC's pursestrings decides to get offended or be taken aback by Maddow's style and substance, she'll be shot out of that studio faster than a cannonball at the Barnum and Bailey Circus. 

But I would implore you, MSNBC, don't drop this woman.  Folks on the left need her to balance out the douche-to-airtime ratio the folks over at Faux News have going on.

Cheers.
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Olbermann has been doing this shit for years and he's fine. Nothings going to happen.

by Alloy on 03/05/2010 03:07:13 AM EST

 MSNBC has decided that there was an loyal audience out there that likes to hear the truth. After the Donohue fiasco I doubt they want to go down that road again. Just remember they have been shuffling hosts for 3 or 4 years looking for something that works. I think they found it.

I generally like her show but she sucks on economies and is quite on the banks, along with Oberman. If you want to see someone who really brings it, check out Dylan Ratigan. Every time he misses a show, I am convinced he got fired.

by sisco66 on 03/05/2010 06:34:24 AM EST

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I am a life-long Republican and I LOVE Rachel Maddow. She is brilliant. Does her homework and admits mistakes and does not seem to indicate that she is financially literate. I have an MBA - and I barely understand business. It is very hard stuff (especially now!!). I think you are being too hard on Rachel.

by Proudobamacan on 03/05/2010 04:32:15 PM EST

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I am less concerned about her lack of understanding on most issues than I am about the lack of coverage on the bank sellout. It would be as simple as having Matt T or Joe Stiglitz on to explain it.

She is great at gotcha though, and the piece last night on Hatch was very good. I will take more of that.

The problem that both her and Keith have is that they have not come to terms with exactly how bad Obama is going to fuck us. Cenk pretty much nailed last night. As long as Emu, Larry the Lizard and Tinny Tim have jobs we are screwed.

by sisco66 on 03/05/2010 04:42:20 PM EST

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Rachel Maddow Show: Matt Taibbi on Why Financial Institutions Should Be Broken Up


by Chinese Democracy on 03/12/2010 07:12:44 PM EST

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 More or less a year of silence, other than some quotes from Paul K. That said, financial reform made the show last night with Michael Moore.

If you have been following Matt's pieces in Rolling Stone, you may notice that he went hard after Goldman Sachs and we did not see much of him after that.

That is the biggest problem with progressive media. We just let things go, whereas the right hammers the message all the time. I hate to say this, but financial reform may be more important that healthcare. We are never going to be able to afford healthcare until we get back the money being sucked out of the economy by wall street.

by sisco66 on 03/12/2010 08:11:05 PM EST

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There are only a handfull of people out there that really have put this stuff in writing. Matt T, Nomi Prims and Black. Stiglitz comes close but really won't bring the hammer because he still lives in that world.

None of them have written about how they used mark to market and the bankruptcy reform bill. There have been a few that touched on it but not in depth.

by sisco66 on 03/12/2010 08:15:31 PM EST

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Or you wouldnt have criticized her for not having Taibbi on.

You obviously dont watch Dylan Ratigan either


by Chinese Democracy on 03/12/2010 09:06:10 PM EST

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Is that some sort of badge of honor or club? I just noted that she had Michael Moore on. I riff on Dylan all the time. Just because I called her and Keith out on the banks don't be offended. 

As a matter of fact, I am watching her right now. It's not my fault you picked a year old video and I was able to call you on it becuase I have read most of his pieces. Hence my massive fustration with the lack of coverage of the fleecing we are getting. 

I actually used to DVR her and Keith, but the shows have gotten stale and off point. Even the healthcare debate is off point, which is why it's such a disaster. I am holding out hope though.

I was actually going to list Dylan as one of the people who really knows the ins and outs but I was listing writers. He also has some holes in his game, and is a bit of a supply sider and free market guy.  But he calls it like he sees it. Him and Spitzer had a great show today on the Leehman Brothers report.  I have caught Cenk on there as well. I would like to see him get a little more time though.

My overall point on this that neither her or keith want to take obama to task. That video was from back when we were still holding out hope that Obama would be more like FDR than Clinton. It turns out he is going to be worse than Bush.

Sorry if I ruffled your feathers.


by sisco66 on 03/12/2010 09:26:34 PM EST

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I generally like her show but she sucks on economies and is quite on the banks, along with Oberman. If you want to see someone who really brings it, check out Dylan Ratigan. Every time he misses a show, I am convinced he got fired.

by sisco66 on 03/05/2010 06:34:24 AM EST

by sisco66 on 03/12/2010 09:31:04 PM EST

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Exactly, which is why I actually dislike MAddow's show. It's unnecessary. It's Olbermann's show with a vag.
I guess some people prefer Olbermann with a vag.
I dunno. I go with Keith because a) he was there first and b) MAddow's unapologetic sucking off of military morons grates on my nerves.

by FlaccidMember on 03/05/2010 02:33:06 PM EST

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like the olberman show

I have no idea what you are even talking about when you type sucking off of military morons


by Chinese Democracy on 03/12/2010 07:14:12 PM EST

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Maddow ran around talking about how evil African Fascist-Socialist Nazis (LMAO)  where coming to kill people and take their guns while drawing conspiracy theories on a blackboard then her ratings would go up too.

by Alloy on 03/05/2010 03:27:17 AM EST

Did you see her go all 'Beck' last night on Liz Cheney? It was hilarious. I just wish she had drug out a chalkboard and started drawing random connections on it.

by rolodex on 03/05/2010 07:40:01 AM EST

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KKKKKen, and he laughs all the way to the bank. Beck, like most republicans in or on the media are lining their pockets at your expense. It's nothing more than a comedy show yet you dopes keep falling for it.

It would be funny if it weren not so true and damaging. I know the types all to well. I like to call them.

Of coure that would make Rachel, "Edith Bunker" who quitely trys to talk some sense into Archies thick skull. And that would absolutely make Oberman, "Meat Head".

It's TV you know.

by sisco66 on 03/05/2010 06:28:27 AM EST

..in her field.

 

She walks the walk, and talks the talk.

 

To heck with the fringe, liars, corporatist and media whores, there are too many of them, and not enough Madows in the world.

by wowisdabomb on 03/05/2010 10:27:27 AM EST

I just don't care.  If Rachel Maddow somehow gets replaced by a nonpartisan dancing robot or something, she'll just do what she does on the internet same as Cenk.  I'll be happy to watch her without the stupid MSNBC webvideo interface that clogs my intertubes with Cisco ads every fucking 5 minutes.

Why do we even need network and cable channels anymore when I can go online and pay Maddow's production company a subscription fee just like at TYT?

by dotkommissar on 03/05/2010 03:25:40 PM EST

Cartoon Network draws many more viewers than Glenn Beck. By your logic, their shows are more important than BOTH FOX and MSNBC?

As you well know, Fox "News" is on basic cable. MSNBC is part of a paid tier package.

In addition, McDonalds is more popular than Spagos' or Mortens Steak House. Is it better?

by Proudobamacan on 03/05/2010 04:35:29 PM EST

Not much more to add...

You can subscribe to Maddow on iTunes and watch the whole show with no commercials for free in HD.

Why isn't everyone subscribed? Go do it now!

http://itunes.apple.com/us/ podcast/msnbc-rachel-maddow -video/id294055448

by Aszu on 03/05/2010 06:23:04 PM EST

good to know it's on iTunes.

unfortunately I'd rather use msnbc's web thingie and sit through commercials than let apple put spyware on my computer.

by dotkommissar on 03/05/2010 08:09:12 PM EST

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Never mind, the spy ware just detracts...

Zakaria, Amanpour, Olberman, Meet The Press, Face the Nation... lots of shows are on iTunes

by Aszu on 03/12/2010 06:50:34 PM EST

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Draw more hour long viewers then Beck. People get there news from daily show and colbert.

So KenTX does that mean they are more importent then beck and olbermann and maddow

by DasConscript on 03/12/2010 07:33:12 PM EST

"The editors/producers might well decide your style is too dry or unprofessional somehow..."  (???)

Sorry, I don't think that's what Cenk meant when he suggested that "she watch her back."

Also, your opening is quite creepy---IMO.  You might want to check that---whatever it is---the next time you post.  YUCK & PUKE!

by kurd55 on 03/12/2010 10:33:22 PM EST

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