Ask an Atheist

A friend of mine recently inquired about my being an Atheist. This led into a discussion about my opinion on the purpose of life, the existence of good and evil, and what happens when we die. Deep... I know... See, my friend will be looking death in the face sooner rather than later, and I found myself cringing with guilt at answering his questions honestly. But why?

See, growing up with a devoutly religious family, in a predominantly Christian community, in a town where misbehavior of any sizable proportion was sure to get back to your parents and church leaders, made for a consistent and impingent feeling of guilt. Why has that guilty feeling continued on without the piety? I think there's actually a simple explanation: I was taught that the automatic response to disagreeing with religious teachings is guilt, and automatic responses are the most difficult to shake.

Being of the opinion that your life as you know it ends when you die, is nothing to feel guilty about. It's just a belief. Do you think a Christian feels guilty for believing that I'm going to hell? No way. Why would they believe it if they did? So why do I allow myself to feel guilty for believing the way I do? I shouldn't. I'm going to make a conscious effort from here forward to be proud of my beliefs. I certainly have put enough thought, study, and work into forming my beliefs, so I should feel content with where I have arrived.

My friend's questions were interesting to think about. To be honest, I surprised myself in how confident I was about how I'd answer his questions. For years I claimed agnosticism for the sheer fact that it is impossible to ever truly know about god, life after death, or pure good and evil, without first-hand experience of them. "If I can't know for sure, why form a belief?" I'd tell myself. But as I've gotten older and had these questions in the forefront of my mind, I've found myself more and more comfortable with asserting the belief that there is no god in the traditional sense, that good and evil do not exist outside of conscious decisions made by humans, and that my specific consciousness will not continue on when my body dies. It is through years of study, observation, thought, and introspection that I've come to these beliefs, so why not take a position?

There is no god - at least not in the traditional image that the Judeo-Christian and other major religions purport. There is no "old-man in the sky" that watches our every move, knows what we're thinking and affects the goings-on of our day. It is this belief alone that allows others to define me (and in-turn I define myself) as an Atheist. But how silly is it to define yourself by what you don't believe? Pretty absurd if you ask me, but that is what society has stuck me with.

Good and evil do not exist without a conscious being who can realize them. Natural laws do not know the difference. A volcano that erupts and kills millions of people is not evil; a leader who orders an atom bomb dropped to kill millions of people is evil. A cat that plays with a rodent for hours until it dies is not evil; a person who tortures another living thing for pleasure or their own means is evil.

The life-force that makes me conscious does not continue on in its unchanged form after I die. The property that gives me life, that which makes me different than a rock, is an emergent property of my body. It is preposterous to me, to think that it would continue on - unchanged - after my body ceases function.

So what do I believe? Everyone can see that there is something that sets living things apart from non-living things. I believe that this is simply an "energy" or a "property of an energy" that we humans have yet to be able to understand empirically. To speculate on this, there may be different types of life-energy that emerge dependent upon the type of matter it exists within. Thus, the life-energy that makes a plant grow may be categorized differently than the life-energy that exists in a snail; the life-energy that exists in a fish, may be a different type than the life-energy in a human. I believe that this type of information is knowable, even if humans are not able to comprehend it yet.

Like all other forms of energy, when the system that uses it fails, it doesn't simply disappear, it must be dispersed. This is what I believe happens when our bodies fail. The life-energy that is within us disperses out into the world and is then drawn into other systems that use life-energy. Our consciousness is contained within the structure of our brains, so it does not disperse. As the body degrades, the information that once made up our consciousness is wiped away. And I'm o.k. with that. Maybe one day scientists will figure out how to synthesize our consciousness or individual personalities through intricate study and reproduction of a synthetic nervous system. Wouldn't that be cool.

Good and evil are terms that humans have come up with to describe behavior of other humans or collective societies. In order for an action to be intrinsically good, the person who performs the action must have knowledge of it being good. We see this with our kids as we watch them grow and develop. A toddler doesn't know if sharing a toy is good or not sharing a toy is bad. As they learn what behaviors (1) create a positive (physical and emotional) environment for them and (2) please others, they learn how to be good. As they learn what behaviors (1) create a negative environment for them and (2) hurts others, they learn how to be bad. Good occurs when someone behaves for the reason of improving the environment around them or because it help others. Evil occurs when someone behaves without regard for their environment or consideration for or intention of causing harm.

So what IS the purpose of life? It is here where I think people should be using purpose as a verb instead of a noun and ask, "What is the purpose in life?" And my answer is: to make the best of it that we can. Instead of wondering what the end goal of life is, we should be resolving to improve life as a whole. Instead of speculating of what happens in the after-life, we should be acting to improve the lives of our descendents. And we should just do these to the best of our ability.

For me, coming to these beliefs have revolutionized my world-view. I no longer worry about the salvation of my soul because I used a swear word - I now work to rectify injustices and inequities in whatever way I can. I no longer carry guilt around for not conforming to conventional wisdom - I cherish inventive and original thought that may improve the lives of those around me. I'm happy with where I'm at, and I think that's all I can ask for.
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i'm glad you had the courage of your convictions and shed agnosticism to go full atheist.

whenever religion comes up among friends and it gets into atheism v. agnosticism territory, i prefer to simplify things with Richard Dawkins' TED talk.  

by dotkommissar on 03/09/2010 02:04:55 AM EST

Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" is a classic and cured me of my agnostic tendencies. Today I watched an excellent panel Q&A in Australia with Dawkins on YouTube. Wow. His crystal clear reasoning is matched by his charm and passion. He put the others to shame. Yes, I have a total man-crush on Dawkins. :) Watch it here, it lasts about an hour in total. At one point there was a political discussion about immigration in Australia, just skip over that part. I loved his take on the New Testament.

by mr science on 03/09/2010 02:18:04 AM EST

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Agnostic don't think Atheist are wrong! We just don't know if you're completely right. I've nothing against Atheist - many of my friends are Atheist - but we humans don't know everything. Sure, we have to accept scientific facts, but there is more to heaven and earth (maybe - I just don't know)

As an Agnostic I would never try to convince an Atheist of anything... You guys are probably correct .. I'm just telling you what I think. And like a typical Agnostic, I just don't know what the whole picture is and I will never know. 

by kmuzu on 03/09/2010 02:34:08 AM EST

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To be an atheist DOES NOT MEAN TO CLAIM KNOWLEDGE. It simply means not to believe. You are a self described agnostic. That means you don't believe in gods. You are a nonbeliever. A de facto a [prefix meaning "without"] theist [believer in god(s)]. The point I'm trying to make is that there is a difference between believing and knowing. Atheism (and theism) address belief, not knowledge.

by mr science on 03/09/2010 02:51:49 AM EST

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To be an atheist DOES NOT MEAN TO CLAIM KNOWLEDGE.

Speak for yourself. I know God doesn't exist with as much certainty as I know the sun is a mass of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace, where hydrogen is built into helium at a temperature of millions of degrees.

by OneHitKill on 03/09/2010 09:13:34 AM EST

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There is a subset of atheists that claim to know gods don't exist. However this is not the defining thing. Again, a-theist means non-believer in god(s). I guess it's best to say, Atheists don't necessarily claim specific knowledge.

by mr science on 03/09/2010 11:27:45 AM EST

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Atheism is just the lack of belief. It's not a assertive claim about anything. Some atheists may then go on to make an assertive claim that there is no god, but that's going beyond what the term atheism strictly implies.

by jhufford on 03/09/2010 12:34:14 PM EST

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I disagree. The etymology of the word is clear:

A = no

THEOS = god

An atheist is NOT someone who just doesn't believe in God. It's a person who DOES believe there is NO God. A person who just doesn't believe should be called something else. Maybe "acreist."

by OneHitKill on 03/09/2010 09:02:37 PM EST

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The word is not atheos, its atheist. Theist may have derived from the root theos, but the word theist very clearly means believer in a god or gods.

by mr science on 03/09/2010 09:44:23 PM EST

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Atheos = Godless

The spelling is different but the meaning is the same. So what I contend remains: If a theist believes in the existence of God, then an atheist believes in the non-existence of God.

You can continue being Mr. Science. I, however, am Mr. Language.

by OneHitKill on 03/10/2010 09:37:09 AM EST

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I am godless. All nonbelievers are.

by mr science on 03/10/2010 10:16:13 AM EST

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Thanks! I enjoyed the Q&A.

by Felicia on 03/15/2010 08:39:37 PM EST

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I enjoyed the cartoon, but the part that says "then I'll be gone too" after all the atoms making up my physical body finally disperse, makes it sound way freakier and scarier than it actually is.  "I" will be gone once my brain stops working. That happens right away.  Anyhoo, have a great day!

by borduin on 03/10/2010 10:57:08 AM EST

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This whole discussion makes me think of the South Park episodes

Go God Go

Go God Go XII

So who of you knows the real interpretation of Dawkins' words, can you be an atheist without being mean and what should atheists call themselves.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/09/2010 09:40:38 AM EST

Dawkins is often criticized for being mean, shrill, strident, etc... As someone who is very familiar with Dawkins I honestly can say these charges are unfair.

There is a taboo against challenging peoples religious beliefs and so when someone dares to do so there tends to be a knee-jerk overreaction. Really, there isn't anything he has to say regarding religion that is any meaner than what we are used to in our political and normal social discourse. It's a double standard.

In the preface to the paperback edition of The God Delusion Dawkins addresses this. In it he reads a random restaurant negative review from the newspaper that was way more shrill and strident than anything he says. Think of how much we are used to shrill and strident speech in our political discourse. I mean, you're a TYT fan, right? Society accepts such speech in stride. What Dawkins or anyone else has to say regarding religion should be no different.

by mr science on 03/09/2010 11:43:28 AM EST

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I really don't consider him to be extraordinary mean, it was just a joke in this South Park episode.

People start to criticize the tone when they are not assured of their own believes. I'm very confident in my philosophical and religious believes and have no problem with anybody attacking it. In fact I would encourage that, because it helps me to fine tune my positions.
People who think that God would mind insults must be extremly petty.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/09/2010 11:54:28 AM EST

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Would, it's in the Bible. And that big guy LOVES to through some temper tantrums when he doesn't get good attention.

by Alloy on 03/09/2010 01:31:34 PM EST

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(because I agree with it.)  I've observed the same thing about Dawkins.  He is incisive, and he won't accept vague answers and prevarication, but his manner isn't shrill or angry.  Now if you want a big mean atheist jerk, you've got Hitchens!

by borduin on 03/10/2010 11:01:25 AM EST

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I don't believe in Richard Dawkins.
None of you can prove to me that he exists.

I'm on a horse.

by designs on 03/09/2010 10:26:02 AM EST

Gotcha!

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/09/2010 10:29:38 AM EST

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You got me!

Wait... the horse is now my God... thereby eliminating my need to prove its existence and keeping you from questioning my new silly belief!

Isn't that how the game is played?  Your move.

Johnny Lydon said it best

Stained glass windows keep the cold outside
While the hypocrites hide inside
With the lies of statues in their minds
Where the Christian religion made them blind
Where they hide
And prey to the God of a bitch spelled backwards is dog
Not for one race, one creed, one world
But for money
Effective
Absurd

Do you pray to the Holy Ghost when you suck your host
Do you read who's dead in the Irish Post
Do you give away the cash you can't afford
On bended knees and pray to lord

Fat pig priest
Sanctimonious smiles
He takes the money
You take the lies
This is religion and Jesus Christ
This is religion cheaply priced
This is bibles full of libel
This is sin in eternal hymn
This is what they've done
This is your religion
The apostles were eleven
Now there's a sod in Heaven

This is religion
There's a liar on the altar
The sermon never falter
This is religion
Your religion

by designs on 03/09/2010 10:57:08 AM EST

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I'm a solipsist and wonder why there aren't more of us.

:-)

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/09/2010 11:12:26 AM EST

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Too bad I can't remember the product they're trying to sell. 

by borduin on 03/10/2010 11:02:55 AM EST

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To quote Nietzsche:

"Every word instantly becomes a concept precisely insofar as it is not supposed to serve as a reminder of the unique and entirely individual original experience to which it owes its origin; but rather, a word becomes a concept insofar as it simultaneously has to fit countless more or less similar cases -- which means, purely and simply, cases which are never equal and thus altogether unequal. Every concept arises from the equation of unequal things. Just as it is certain that one leaf is never totally the same as another, so it is certain that the concept "leaf" is formed by arbitrarily discarding these individual differences and by forgetting the distinguishing aspects."

Also theEncyclopædia Britannica has all the definitions you are discussing. It is strange though to see how people start arguing about the real meaning of atheism, just as people discuss what interpretation of the Bible is correct. Seems not religion is to blame for all the conflict it is involved in, but the need to argue and be right that is inherent in most humans. South Park are incredibly spot on with their atheism episode.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/09/2010 12:57:45 PM EST

I am happy that you have found peace. If you are truly happy ,then that is all that matters. Your beliefs are uniquely yours and yours alone. If you are sincere , explanations are not necessary. In your case, I think that believing there is not God is the same as believing there is a God. It is because you are happy, you are achieving salvation on a different plain. Religions proselytize to add members. Your blog has elements of the same arguments used by Christians to win converts. Christians sell salvation. You are promoting being happy "with where you are at". Do you not see the similarity? Our world and the objects in it already exist in their own right. Believing in nothing ( without the nihilistic doctrine) is true atheism

by TinaBlue1985 on 03/09/2010 01:48:44 PM EST

I am speaking for myself here when I say that I disagree that being truly happy is all that matters.  I'll bet George Bush is truly happy, but the mourning families in Iraq would disagree that that is all that matters. 

Perhaps the blog writer is a skeptic?  One who accepts as likely true things which have solid evidence to support them. 

 

by borduin on 03/10/2010 11:08:44 AM EST

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To be honest, no, I don't see the similarity between posting a blog with "deep thoughts" and proselytizing. If the intention was misconstrued that I was posting for any other reason than to convey where I stand, then I apologize. I don't belief in proselytizing, just interesting discussion.

by Felicia on 03/15/2010 07:48:24 PM EST

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