07/30/2010 12:45:02 PM EST
posted by Restlys
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THIS A MILLION TIMES THIS THIS THIS.
That was awesome. Lead pipe, blowtorch, pliers, the whole nine yards. The kraken has been unleashed.
I love this guy.
his part in the helen thomas bashing.
sorry, im still kind of sore over that one.
but we live in the real world, where people have all sorts of beliefs.
What we should be able to do is to ally ourselves with people on a cause by cause basis...and not on an individual basis. What I mean by this is - if i want thing A(regulation, or whatever) and he also wants it we can work together to get it...we both win. But if you dont because on thing F you disagree, you both lose...
So althou he DID look like an idiot, fine - tell him, disgree, but on the things we agree on, he can sure as hell fight alongside me.
Unless the things we disagree about interfere with what we are trying to do. For instance, fox thinks Obama is bad, I think Obama is bad...I will not work WITH fox because the reasons why they believe Obama is bad is unacceptable to me...but if your smart enough to draw that distinction we should all be fine.
You are exactly right and right after Kucinich buckled and voted for the health care bill, chris hedges came out the next day saying that is exactly why he will never be a politician. Its a great read.
I will say this, and even I took Weiner to the woodshed over his Israel comments, but I'm almost positive that Weiner would have NOT supported an Israeli investigation and would have supported an indepedent investigation
and I do see your point.
I feel a little differently now after seeing the last few vids of Anthony's work on the first responders bill.And, this is not the first time he has done something like this. Anthony has come out a lot for our side. Furthermore, he does seem to be pretty genuine,as far as politicos go.
I would like to see an apology of some sort to Ms. Thomas. After seeing her dragged thru the mud, not only by him, but the entire mainstream press....one thing I cannot stand is baseless character assassination, and that is EXACTLY what had happened. So, I do feel that, at least an apology to her would, at the very least, be in order. She is owed that. After all, she is the standard for journalism, imo.
I am willing to give him my support once more,because for the most part he's earned it, he just needs to remember who his supporters support.And I don't think an apology is unreasonable.
I say good for him, even if we don't always agree politically...
:)
" And while I'm not much of a writer, and I'm certainly not very smart, for some reason people like to read what I write."- Hugh Everett
I love your poll about what should be put in the soundbox.
Jesus Fuckin christ, yup all these comments were going off in my head. All those sound box sound effects were going off in my head. "release the kraken" went off at least 5 times along with that gladiator rant.
Good on you Weiner, Good on you.
Seriously is it just him in the senate that can actually be aggressive and put it to the Repubs and let them know who's boss?
The Gentleman is WRONG! (bitch)
Even though senators don't make fantastic speeches, they do write fantastic articles.
Bernie Sanders most recent article that appeared in The Nation, "No to Oligarchy." It really is a must read for all progressives.
Russ Feingold wrote a great article when he voted NO on finreg that appeared in the Huff post
And when Kucinich voted No in the health care reform, he too wrote a great article explaining why
about his stance on Israel & the whole Hellen Thomas thing, etc., I still will support a Weiner-Grayson ticket in 2012 or 2016 :=)
And I think Weiner can give President Obama lessons on how to tell the Republicans and those so-called Conservative(Corporatist) Democrats "shut the f&@k up and sit down". :-)
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As for Helen Thomas, she's a big girl. She opened her mouth, inserted her foot. She's a public figure like O'Reilly or Beck. You can't demand heads only on the right.
Being Lebanese she has reason to feel the way she does. He's Jewish he has reasons to feel the way he does. Recognize it and let it go.
Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.
I wouldn't put it pass the "birthers" but I didn't even know they were still relevant lol, but shid I didn't know Sarah Palin was still relevant either until I seen a story on huffingpost about her making comments about President Obama appearance on The View lol :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.c om/2010/07/29/sarah-palin-o bama-the-view_n_664467.html Omg maybe she'll run against Weiner if he run :p
"You vote yes, if you believe yes!"
Where was this guy yelling for the public option?
He's a coward and only stands up when it affects his district and wins him political points. Its political suicide to vote against 9/11 bills. Of course they do not want to go on record as this and of course you want them too. I'm more pissed at Democrats for not performing that crap on Republicans. 9/11 has been so politicized its merely a buzzword at this point. You want to help our "heroes?"
Then support the unions, champion economic equality, laud the public programs that prop up our economy that are constantly villanized. Praise wikileaks for performing a better service to the American people than most Congressmen. Where is the healthcare for our teachers? What about our nurses? What about the crappy pay they give our social workers? What about the pathetic state of retirement for millions of Americans who wind up eating cat food to survive?
This guy is a clown. He looks like a d-bag. Don't get your hopes up.
Your rant is justified, but who else is standing up.I also hate to burst your bubble, but I posted a blog about Weiner standing up and giving a speech about health care reform. So yea, you automatically lose credibility for your short-term memory on Mr. Weiner.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id /35582068/ns/msnbc_tv-rache l_maddow_show/
If the link doesn't work search on youtube because he definitely railed against the republicans and yelled for the public option.
Therefore fuck you. I will be over the top because you are, Weiner is one of the only truly courageous progressives in the house, even though we may disagree like stated above, Weiner does not play political points.
Your a fucking clown, because these few selected politicians are the ONLY ones who scream and yell for us when we can't. You rather have ZERO politicians like Weiner because he is not perfect. Well, I rather have him ANYDAY than any republican or conservative dem.
He does not scream and yell for us. That is the point. He screams and yells when it benefits him. He stands down on REAL issues that REALLY affect Americans. He will scream for healthcare to a thousand workers for his own district that will vote for him, but not for 300 million Americans? He even pledged to not vote for healthcare without a public option yet he did anyway.
What about the heroes we have in Iraq and Afghanistan that are there for utter lies. When Obama sits there and hints at prolonging past the deadline, does he stand and yell? Hundreds of thousands of people have died for these conflicts. NO, he does not yell. No, he does not tell the others to stand down.
What about Elizabeth Warren, certainly a hero who has done much to help Americans? When Dodd and others say "not her" for the position she created, does he stand up and yell at Obama and Dodd to stand aside and let her protect Americans? No, he doesn't.
This guy is as much of a progressive as Obama is.
"He even pledged to not vote for healthcare without a public option yet he did anyway."
I agreed with everything you said in that first paragraph until that line. Show me any kind of evidence to support that outrageous claim and maybe I'll consider it. But that is a wildly outrageous claim.
You are right in your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs, but what are they going to do? Scream their lungs out for what? The system is broken, we all know that, how do you blame and accuse Weiner, Grayson, and the like for trying to speak out and stand up to the system.
Yes he caved, just like Kucinich. But both are the strongest progressives in our congress? If they are any better please point them out.
My main point is that I was mad you were picking on weiner when the hundreds of other democrats in the house sit on their ass and say nothing
Except when it came down to it, he caved. Like every other faux progressive.
He does not fight.
wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance companies.
theres your answer.
We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.
Also, if you want to get airtime you've got to make a scene... and he clearly achieved that.
Good on him...
I mean, I need others opinions on this guy other than my own... but you really think that?
how come?
im curious is why im asking(in a totally non offending manner..sorry I have to explain that. its the damned internet after all lol!)
I should restate a few of my comments.
Teachers and public employees are often favored with stable jobs, strong unions, healthcare, and pensions. This is a fact. This is a good thing too that is often villainized. NO ONE STANDS UP FOR IT. It is something that is rapidly disappearing despite being a core to our economy. Security, stability, create good conditions for prosperity.
If Democrats had passed strong healthcare reform, these 9/11 responders would have no trouble.
I know that almost every Democrat, even the ones we think of as most Progressive (Sanders, Weiner, Grayson, Feingold, Kaufman, Franken, Kucinich) all ended up voting for this Health Care law. No one put their foot down at the very end and said "I vote no. Really! I mean it. No. This bill is not helpful enough to vote for. Change it, move it Left, or you WILL NOT have my support." Given this, it is fair on some level to conclude that we don't have _anyone_ in Congress willing to stand up for Progressive causes like Barbara Lee did three days after 9/11 when she said that the authorization to militarily attack "Terrorists" "was a blank check to the president...to attack anywhere, in any country, without regard to...foreign policy, national security and economic interests, and without time limit." And so she voted NO and received death threats, accusations of treason, and calls for her removal from all House committees by FOX. (Yes, I know Lee is still in the House, but that was a decade ago.)
But given the fact that we don't have anyone who is such a staunch Progressive that they are willing to kill Democratic bills for the sake of the (possible) common good, Weiner is about the next best thing. Small consolation, but true. He actually does fight, he gets the message out to at least a few MSM-watchers who want to know a bit more about the truth. And he forces the discussion a tiny bit to the Left, which might be all we can ask for from our death-spiral system and our corporatist media.
We're going to lose on just about all of these issues anyway, because when the Progressives say no, the Democratic leadership really has no choice (the Republicans will block legislation to the Left of what is currently proposed also). Advocating for truly Progressive positions might energize the base further (even though we will lose) until maybe something better can be done. Weiner at least gives us a glimmer of what could be possible. But you are correct--until the Progressives learn how to say no to the Democratic Center Right, there will never again be a reason for their leadership to move Left.
now it could be a coincidence, but I like to pride myself in thinking we voted it in :)