09/04/2010 08:19:00 PM EST

Did these people ever attend an english class?

posted by discberry

Pro right-wing pundits seem to have a hard time understanding english.

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I am so tired of listening to political commentators, mostly from the idiot right, but a few from the left, who take everything and anything that any politician or candidate says and tells their audience what they think it's supposed to mean.  They ususally take it way out of the context in which it was intended, twist the meaning into something that was never even imagined by the sayer, and declare that their interpretation of the comment was "what he/she REALLY means".

Often, I listen a to the regugitated comment and think to myself, "That's not what was said!  Can't these people understand english?" Sometimes the intended meaning is so distorted to make a negative political point, that it's like the commentator completely heard something different, or is simply making shit up because they didn't "get it" in the message!

I was always under the impression that most, if not all of these people were college trained in english as part of their professional career training.  Then why is it that so many of then do not seem to understand what these people are really trying to say.  These commentators must, in some way, assume that their audiences are so dumb that they can't form their own opinion from what they heard themselves.  Here is an example:

A few days ago, President Obama made comments regarding the Islamic Center being built near ground zero in New York.  He emphisized that because of our American principles of religeous freedom, that they should be able to build their proposed Islamic Center there. 

A day later he made a comment to a followup question on the subject, and added he thought it wasn't a good idea to do so.

The pundit brigade all immediately pounced, saying 'Obama is now back-peddling on his previous stance on Islamic Center's right to build there'.

The fact is, President Obama only added to his comments.  He actually should have said both comments at in the same original sentence.  They DO have the right to build an Islamic center there, but it probably isn't the best move to make considering the circumstances.  No backpeddling!  It was a comment amendment.

Hey!  Just because the 'Tea Baggers', the 'Palinites' and the 'GlenBeckians' are complete idiots, that doesn't mean we all are?   I just wish that every last piece of info didn't have to be exaggerated for drama and effect and higher ratings. 
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Did these people ever attend an english class? | 27 comments (27 topical, 0 hidden)
ring of fire (none / 0)
Mike P had some numbers on reading and comprehension last week. Needless to say they were very low. I get chain e-mails everyday from two of my uncles both of which are on social security and Medicare among other federal disability handouts. Needless to say, the e-mails are all from right wing nut jobs screaming about socialism and Marxism.

It's fucking sad.

by sisco66 on 09/04/2010 09:21:55 PM EST

More to the point.... (none / 0)
Thanks for the comment.  I was mainly referring to the way that the story gets distorted to fit that particular commentator's agenda.  MSNBC and Fox can report on the same subjects and it can easily sound like two different stories.  They selectively weed out data that is deterrent to their point, and emphasize minor detail as if they were the main story. 

What is most offensive is that commentators seem to assume that the viewing/listening audience is incapable of understanding what the candidate/politician was or wasn't saying directly to the them, "so, they (the commentators) will step in an 'splain(sic) it to us"! 
 
I do understand English!   I do feel that I can get most or all those little hidden messages w hen those "EVIL" politicians blab!

by discberry on 09/05/2010 10:30:19 AM EST

Ground Zero (none / 0)
I agree with the contention that "an overwhelming majority of Americans" oppose the idea of the mosque at G-0.   I believe that now, after all the publicity this story has received around the world, all of the eyes of the world are upon us to see what we will do. 

We ourselves, by making this such a huge issue, have painted ourselves into a corner, by forcing us to make one of two very undesirable choices.  We can either...:

A. ... allow the mosque plans to proceed forward and stomach our personal pain and humiliation, knowing we stood up to the terrorists by standing firm to our principles of freedom and our uniquely American Constitution, or ...

B. ... we could stop the mosque from being built, and in the process, demonstrate to the rest of the world that our constitution and laws are meaningless to us, and that Americans have neither the moral fiber, or the sheer guts to stand by those laws and stand for those principles that make America the greatest country on earth.

The longer the debate rages through society, the harder it will be to accept one of those two choices.

I choose to stand by our principles.  All Americans standing firm against the mosque, are standing against the U.S. Constitution, and in essence, are standing against America.

What's your choice?

by discberry on 09/05/2010 07:38:59 PM EST

Westboro Church (none / 0)
Westboro Church and its followers are known for their twisted concept of religion.But we can't compare that with the Muslim community center.Westboro is an extremist organisation of the Christian community.If one of Al-Quada's affiliated organisations were to built that community center,I won't think twice,I'll not only oppose but make sure these bastards pay for what they stand for.But this is not the group that's building the community center.We can't ban all churches just because of what westboro stands for.Same time,we can't ban all mosques just because of what Al-Quada stands for.Let's differentiate extremists from mainstream.

by Randaa on 09/06/2010 02:24:30 AM EST

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all they have is left is lies (none / 0)
You can compare any bloody thing you want... but that still makes you an idiot for doing so. Please show me an example of Cordoba "sticking their thumb in the eye of sensibilities of the vast majority of Americans". Just because that is what morons like you are saying they are doing DOES. NOT. MAKE. IT. SO.

Explaining rational thought to Huge is like trying to explain alternate-side-of-the-stree t-parking to a cranberry.

by designs on 09/06/2010 08:05:01 AM EST

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Oh Boy (none / 0)

I've seen a lot of your posts around here & I've seen how stuff goes down when others try to have a logical debate with you. But I don't wish to judge you just yet.Westboro followers go down to fallen soldiers' funerals & show outright disrespect & Un American ways by stepping on the flag & stuff. The only thing that is keeping them from getting killed is the 1st Amendment. Other than the commentary from Fox news about the people behind the community center, I have not seen any other credible media outlet finding & reporting anything negative about them. The only reason they are not moving is basically based on pride. I am a believer of a certain religion & my country allows me to practice it freely, and I want to build a community center to bring together people from other religions to share in the love & joy my religion offers. But because,extremists of my religion,People NOT from my country,People who don't follow what I follow,People whose ideology I condemn, committed an act of Terrorism in my country,near where I plan to build my center, I HAVE to move my project? Of course not! I am not a terrorist,neither am I advocating distorted teachings of my religion,nor have I received funds directly from any terrorist organisation. So why must I move?By moving,I'm admitting that my religion really does advocate hate and jihad.I won't and I can't compromise my religion because of the actions of a corrupted few. Now you tell me,If you still wanna put those 2 together and base your argument on that. Not only me, but many others before me have already given you a fair argument on this matter. You may be someone from the right.But I believe you're an American and do have care & compassion in your heart.Please don't hurt those Muslims cos they've taken a lot for the past 10 years.I know that you really know what is right,but because of your political views,you've decided to stand by this argument.Come on,its your call now.

 

by Randaa on 09/06/2010 08:57:12 AM EST

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watch this jujitsu move... (none / 0)
... and you should CHOOSE to be reasonable and stop hassling these nice Muslim people. You are no judge and not anyone who should be taking away anyone's constitutional rights.

You have every right to ask them to move. They have every right to tell you to piss off.

You are a bigoted little piss-ant who doesn't understand a lick-spit about America and the constitution. Stomping on the work of our founders because you wet yourself every night under you bed in fear of brown people molesting your teddybears is no way to go through life.

by designs on 09/06/2010 10:25:57 AM EST

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Let me get this straight.. (none / 0)
so... you are saying, let's be clear here, that the Americans wanting to build an Islamic cultural center in an old Burlington Coat Factory building in NYC are pirates and are here to steal our salt and set up a slave trade to take the Irish back to Tripoli.

Do I have that right?

Maybe if you clarified your point a bit we would all know just what the fuck you are talking about.

by designs on 09/06/2010 12:06:38 PM EST

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Thank you for clarifying. (none / 1)
I think everyone understands exactly who you are.

A coward.

by designs on 09/06/2010 07:11:44 PM EST

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They want you dead, but not me? (none / 0)
Nobody wants to kill me. Envy my life of luxury.

by OneHitKill on 09/06/2010 10:28:21 PM EST

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Yes that's what Kenny is saying they're pirates! (none / 0)
Arrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggg!

Muslims always make Kenny go pee pee in his pants, whimper like a whiney little girl while he hides under his bed pleading to mommy to make bad men go away. LOL!

I'm sure if the "God Hates Fag" crowd tried to build a church anywhere near ground zero there would be a few articles written a few people might show up to protest but it wouldn't get anywhere near the press this stupid topic has. In fact I'm betting that the cons would walk that tightrope of "freedom of religion" on one side and "hating the hate speech" on the other.

It's really sad that such Hawks ultimately are nothing more than a bunch a scared cowards who need Depends to keep from embarrassing themselves whenever something "different" comes along.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 09/07/2010 09:27:49 AM EST

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I LOVE IT!!! (none / 0)
"Although, it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."   _John Stuart Mill

Thank you for that!

by discberry on 09/07/2010 12:40:57 PM EST

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all those Chrstian missionaries (none / 0)
all over the world trying to convert people  are really Muslims?

My cousin is in Thailand doing his Christian fundamentalist duty trying to peacefully convert the Buddhists..  When I tell him he is really a Muslim hes going to freak out.

The neighbors in the apartments down the street are a group of Mormon guys that set out on their bikes every morning on a mission to convert people to Mormonism  . When I tell them they are really Muslims  .. I dont know how they are going to take it

I have had the watchtower people here twice in 6 months..  I dont think its because they know I make a great cup of tea.

The only religions I know of that dont come knocking are Jewish.. Hindu.. Shinto ... Native American religions.. Buddhist

Im sure there are more

But Christian aint one of them..
Christianity has always been about   we like hot dogs so the whole world should like hot dogs!

But...Ill try to tell them they are Muslim  sigh

 


by Chinese Democracy on 09/07/2010 02:42:40 PM EST

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Also (none / 0)
The constructers who want to convert the whole in the ground that currently is Ground Zero into a new building must be Muslims!

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 09/07/2010 03:33:26 PM EST

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lol good point (none / 1)
who else but Muslims would build an 80 story tower on holy ground?


by Chinese Democracy on 09/07/2010 04:20:55 PM EST

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You know what's strange ... (none / 0)
Many of you folks who oppose the Mosque ... claim to oppose it because of it's proximity, you also claim you wouldn't mind if it was at a different site. But when you folks go into details about your opposition ... it's always boils down to some Anti-Muslim/Islam tirade, smearing the folks funding/building/supporting the Mosque as being Anti-American & having terrorist ties.

So tell me how moving the Mosque will diminish the opposition to it .. when you folks still detest anything Muslim/Islam & still believe the folks funding/building/supporting the Mosque are Anti-American & have terrorist ties???

A Proud Progressive!!!

by teron678 on 09/06/2010 10:27:42 AM EST

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I like your style... (none / 0)
The Ground Zero Mosque opposition's whole message is based in bigotry, ignorance and fear.   They won't be happy until we ALL emmerce ourselves in their hatred and prejudice.

I cannot even imagine the America these people want to set up and live in.

by discberry on 09/07/2010 12:31:49 PM EST

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WHAT !!! (none / 0)

You took so many quotes out of my post,but how come you turned a blind eye to this particular post," But because,extremists of my religion,People NOT from my country,People who don't follow what I follow,People whose ideology I condemn, committed an act of Terrorism in my country,near where I plan to build my center, I HAVE to move my project? Of course not! I am not a terrorist,neither am I advocating distorted teachings of my religion,nor have I received funds directly from any terrorist organisation," why did you miss this ? And this,"So why must I move?By moving,I'm admitting that my religion really does advocate hate and jihad.I won't and I can't compromise my religion because of the actions of a corrupted few." Doesn't this also prove my point? What's wrong with you? I'm Pro-Palestine & Anti Israel? I'M PRO HUMAN. Aren't all those you mentioned humans? I don't want anybody to die. Our life expectancy is not 1000, its less than 90 for most people in the world. What are you trying to accomplish with all the fighting and hate? They are not in the wrong to move the center,nor their religion. You know something...I'm not gonna insult you in any way. No calling names or branding you something. Because, tomorrow when I walk down the street,I'll walk with confidence and with a couple of waves and hi's around. But you....You'll walk with fear...watching your back...fearing some radical Muslim will stab you through your eyeball...You spread hate,not love...your conversations are filled with hatred in intolerance...definitely, there'll be people who know you as such a person...you have a lot to fear..unlike me...with my like minded brothers & sisters of the TYT Army,we appreciate others,respect their religions and are friends with anyone...you have to choose your friends...cos you'll never know when you're going to go under...And do you want to know one more thing...I'm not a Muslim...In fact I'm an Atheist...But I can find it in my heart not to condemn a religion because of what some members of that religion did.....Adios Poor Man

 

by Randaa on 09/06/2010 01:01:20 PM EST

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My choice would have to be... (none / 0)
... The U.S. Constitution!

I see your point.  If “zoning” out people or groups that you don't like or feel threatened by, is the strategy that legally works, then use it as you see fit.  It happens to a lot of places like strip joints and loud taverns in neighborhoods.  I don’t think we should use the same tactics against churches and religious beliefs.  I was suggesting a bit of tolerance over extremism and bigotry. 

How extreme can that go?   The past is filled with examples of how extreme this idea can reach. 
~ Hitler “didn’t like” about 6 million people who believed different than he did.
~ Sadam Heussein didn’t like certain groups, like ‘the Kurds’.
~ Americans didn’t like the Japanese Americans during WWII and overreacted by forcing them into internment camps,
~ And starting in the 1800’s, all the way through the 1960 and the present, many White Americans didn’t (don’t) care too much for African-Americans and look at the "shit sandwich" that they get to take a big bite out of.  There are many more examples, but, I’m sure you get the point.
 
I am aware that there are many people in America that do not share views or ideologies.  I personally have a large list of people and groups that I fear, hate and believe are dangerous, and would like to 'shut up', (groups like 'the nazis', 'devil worshipers', 'ignorant right-wing extremists who follow Glen Beck', the 'tea-party', etc.)   The differences of beliefs and ideals is to be expected in a country with greater than 300 million citizens, and possibly, the same number of differing opinions.  But, I as an American, am forced by the Constitution of the United States, to tolerate many individuals or groups that I do not like.  I, myself, do not have access to the time and resources necessary to legally stop them.  So, yeah, I get another bite of the SHIT sandwich, only I usually don’t get very much bread!
 
There are laws that protect us from crimes anyone might commit due to their beliefs.  There should be no laws that censor our voices or beliefs as long as we don’t break other laws or infringe on people’s rights.  If people fear someone who they feel is going to commit a crime against them then they should take appropriate measures with the law enforcement agencies that we have set up for that purpose.  We can’t stop people from believing in their faith and we certainly shouldn’t ban them for “what they might do”.
 
Consider the possible long-term effects this practice of filtering out "who you don't like".   Another name for it is censorship.  Censorship is something that the American people do not like.  I am positive that most of the Islam-protesting people would instantly point to their 'RIGHT to ...' as stated in the U.S. Constitution if ANYBODY dares to silence their ideas, beliefs and values with censorship.
 
Again, we as Americans must either stand by the Constitution that WE created, that defines us as a fair and just nation, or we will suffer the consequences of our bigotries when they get turned against us!   As much as you may not like it, there's your choice!

by discberry on 09/07/2010 12:03:32 PM EST

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Your choice is obvious... (none / 0)
We all can see the choice that YOU would make,  That is, to stand AGAINST the U.S. Constitution, and proclaim yourself to be a traitor to the U.S.A.

You should, now, stop posting your bigotted, ignorant, hateful, Glen-Beckian brain-washed opinions, because you have openly chosen to dismiss the protections granted to every American citizen by the U. S. Constitution, (even the muslim ones),  and have publicly proclaimed that you do not believe in the freedoms of speach and religion and assembly that our U.S Constitution grants all of it's citizens!

You know,... you can't have it both ways.

by discberry on 09/07/2010 12:58:43 PM EST

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South Manhattan Islamic Community Centre. (none / 0)
We are talking about the Islamic community centre being built in south manhattan yeah?
There is no Mosque at ground zero. Your a clever lad, i am sure you already know that and accuracy is important with such things. Particularly when you are asserting that the democrats own a mosque that doesnt actually exist.

With many millions of Muslims already being citizens and residing in america just which of the American values are these Islamic american citizens purported to hate?


by SalemP on 09/05/2010 10:02:05 PM EST

It's True. (none / 0)
The functionally illiterate do seem to drive the language used in such issues out of all proportion to thier capacity to comprehend

by SalemP on 09/05/2010 10:05:14 PM EST

Fun topic for a list (none / 0)
All the fake issues Ken (or his sockpuppets) have previously claimed Democrats OWN that have faded away and been replaced by new fake issues Democrats now OWN.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 09/06/2010 02:20:01 AM EST

I bet he (none / 0)
doesnt OWN a car


by Chinese Democracy on 09/07/2010 02:45:04 PM EST

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I hate to say it but... (none / 0)
I think Cenk was one of those saying (on msnbc) that Obama was backpedaling. I found that curious but I think what happens in the media is that if there is an interpretation of an event that fits a preformed narrative that a pundit wants to project they will jump on that in a 30-Rock second. Obviously the back-peddle fit into Cenk's narrative of weakness in Obama so he ran with it. I tried to find the youtube of that bit but that one might not be posted.

by designs on 09/06/2010 08:25:58 AM EST

Cenk is Cenk.... (none / 0)
You're right.  Cenk was one of the commentators saying that.   So was Ed Schultz.  I was surprised.  And as much as I love both of these guys, I must say that it wasn't very fair to Mr. Obama, to come to the conclusion they did. 

Ed, Cenk, Chris, Keith, Ratchel, Dylan, I love you folks!  Don't bring yourselves to the trashy level of those you speak out against, the Palinites, Beckians and other simple-minded haters of the world.

by discberry on 09/07/2010 12:20:59 PM EST

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So (none / 0)
Cent has to agree with Obama or he has "sunk to the level of a beckite"

Im mustering up the courage right now to disagree with that premise totally

There I did it!


by Chinese Democracy on 09/07/2010 02:46:39 PM EST

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